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frontpagechunmanc123 posted Aug 07, 2023 04:53 AM

U.S. Treasury: Short Term Treasury Bills (4-Week-52-Week Maturity) Up to

5.50% Interest

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

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  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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Note: Rates are subject to change daily; rates are the daily secondary market quotations on the most recently auctioned Treasury Bills for each maturity tranche (4-week, 8-week, 13-week, 17-week, 26-week, and 52-week) for which Treasury currently issues new bills. Up to Date Rates can be found here (scroll to bottom of list)

U.S. Government Treasury is offering Up to 5.499% Coupon Rate (Interest Rate) on Short Term Treasury Bills which can be Purchased for a Duration of 4-Weeks-52 Weeks Maturity.

Thanks community member chunmanc123 for sharing this deal

Note, if interested, you may choose to purchase Treasury Bills through your preferred Brokerage Firm

Example Current Rates (8/9/23): (Coupon Rates [Interest Rates] change daily):
  • 13-Week Maturity: 5.451%
  • 26-Week Maturity: 5.499%
  • 52-Week Maturity: 5.351%

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Interest paid: When the bill matures
    • Minimum purchase : $100
    • In increments of: $100
    • Maximum purchase: $10 million (non-competitive bid)
    • Auction frequency:
      • Every four weeks for 52-week bills
      • Weekly for 4, 8, 13, 17, 26-week bills
      • No regular schedule for Cash Management Bills
      • See the Auction calendar for specific date
      • More Info
    • Taxes: Federal tax due on interest earned. No state or local taxes
  • Refer to forum thread for discussion from the community regarding this offer. -slickdewmaster

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OliveFlag247
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To clarify...

Treasury BILLS are currently paying over 5% for various maturity lengths under 1 year. These can be bought through most brokerages even without a TreasuryDirect account.

Treasury BONDS are paying 4% or less and have 20 or 30 year terms.
if200
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Have learned so much on this site so am trying to return the favor with what I've learned that I don't see anyone else talking about.

The 4 week bill ordering opens tomorrow 8/8, the deadline to buy it is sometime Thursday 8/10 morning depending on where you are buying it and it settles on 8/15.

On TD Ameritrade, they take your money on the 10th (take it out of the money you can trade with when you hit purchase which can be as early as the 8th) and buy the bill on the 15th during time which you earn no interest. Thus the reason that I stopped buying 4 and 8 week bills at auction. Secondary markets settle the next day so often a better deal. Treasury direct does not take the money from your bank account till the day it settles and Vanguard keeps it in the settlement fund earning interest till the day it settles as well. Not sure about the other brokerage houses. Also, not sure if you rollover the t-bills how the time between redemption and the next auction works as far as any interest you are losing as that is often a week of interest as well.

FYI, if you do the math, 4 weeks for $10,000 usually gets you about $40 in interest for letting them hold your money for 5 weeks.

The Monday auctions for 3 months and six months settle on Thursday so much less time to hold your money for nothing and less redemption downtime.

The money market funds often have repurchase agreements that are taxed at the state and local level but obviously more liquid. Am looking into the ETFs now.

Good luck to everyone!
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I'd recommend searching for diamondnestegg on youtube. She has a bunch of very useful videos on how to purchase and where explaining step by step on how to do it.

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Aug 10, 2023 11:33 AM
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nate2nateAug 10, 2023 11:33 AM
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Quote from muslhead :
youtube is a horrible step. The amount of ignorance and stupidity there is astronomical.
I applaud you for continuing your pursuit. The eventual understanding of the markets is the solution. I can promise you, mainstream media, SLICKDEALS are the wrong place to spend your time looking for educating yourself.
Best of luck
Well - not really the response or suggestion I was looking for, but I guess thats fair enough.
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jwcallaAug 10, 2023 11:33 AM
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Quote from VioletHealth8715 :
Thanks for explaining it to me.
Yeah, I can find other ways to make 25%+ on my money rather than not having it available to me for such a small return for that period of time.
Feel free to share with us... Smilie
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nate2nateAug 10, 2023 11:34 AM
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Quote from mrdizle :
Google search or looking things up on YouTube
Thanks for the insight and suggestion!
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jwcallaAug 10, 2023 11:39 AM
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Quote from gcretro :
Do you mean move it to T-bills or did you mean bond?

My question:
Over a year perhaps 1.5 yrs ago, I bought $10k (each my name and spouse) into i-series bonds since back then the interest rate was like 9 something %. I don't know how long it earned interest at 9.xx %. I recall reading if redeemed before 5 yrs, 3 months interest is lost.

So, how do I calculate if it makes sense to move it to t-bills?

thx
Yes, you're going to lose 3 months of interest if your bond is less than five years. But depending on the rate you're getting now, it might be worth it to you to take the penalty hit. The rate adjusts every six months from the month of purchase and it adjusts (up or down) to the current rate. If you purchased your bond on TreasuryDirect, you can log in there and it will show you the current value with the penalty applied. (I.e., the value displayed will be what you receive if you sold now.)
If the current 3.4% rate isn't doing it for you, you can consult this page for ideas on when it might be best to sell with the penalty: https://www.doctorofcredit.com/212507-2/
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baller11111Aug 10, 2023 12:13 PM
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Quote from if200 :
If Fidelity goes bust you still own the T-Bills and the government will pay you or whatever brokerage house the T-Bills are transferred to in your name. There is also SIPC insurance which covers you for fraud in case Fidelity didn't actually buy it for you and ran away with the money. Technically the limit you are covered for is $500,000 but all the brokerages have excess insurance which is for a very large amount. Usually over $50 million per person. You can check with each of the brokerages to see what they cover though the people who answer the phone don't often know about this as they are just reading from a script.

FYI, to the person who asked about the 100,000 for three months. If you did the 13 week auction today you would get $1338 in interest at the end of the three months. Prorated per annum as per the person who posted above stated
Technically, you would pay $98,662 for the bonds and get $100,000 on November 9th. The difference between what you pay now and what the bonds are redeemed for in November is considered the interest.
Fidelity doesn't hold the money, 3rd party. They can go bust you'll still get your money. Tax benefit is why you want treasury direct. Money market funds are like stocks though, can be bought and sold immediately. I have SGOV, so if I want to buy a stock I can sell it and buy my stock without waiting till maturity date. Less interest (I think about 4.5%) but good for money you want to invest when time is right. Go with treasury direct if you don't invest in stocks. Tax benefits probably add another % to the 5.5
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BondTraderAug 10, 2023 12:29 PM
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Quote from baller11111 :
Fidelity doesn't hold the money, 3rd party. They can go bust you'll still get your money. Tax benefit is why you want treasury direct. Money market funds are like stocks though, can be bought and sold immediately. I have SGOV, so if I want to buy a stock I can sell it and buy my stock without waiting till maturity date. Less interest (I think about 4.5%) but good for money you want to invest when time is right. Go with treasury direct if you don't invest in stocks. Tax benefits probably add another % to the 5.5

You can sell T-bills before maturity if you go through a brokerage.
Last edited by TheBondKing August 10, 2023 at 07:48 AM.
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Quote from TheBondKing :
My point isn't performance. The point is buying stocks over T-bills in fear of a government default is silly. Doesn't matter what stock you're invested in if the government defaults. Your money will be worthless.

If you want to talk about performance, high yield dividend stocks significantly underperform the S&P. Total return is more important than dividends. Ask AT&T.
AT&T is not a dividend king/aristocrat! Absolute return is capital gain PLUS dividend. Companies that increase dividend each year has a big advantage because the yield can hit +20% after 20 years. The average annual return of SP500 is 10% only because of a decade of 0% rate. There is no alternative but stocks. Since 1994, Dividend king JNJ significantly outperform SP500 on price appreciation. Add the power of JNJ's compound dividend and the gap becomes insurmountable.

You would know this if you are a true finance PRO.

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/S...pudWxsfQ--

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Aug 10, 2023 01:12 PM
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bluejemAug 10, 2023 01:12 PM
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How do i buy these from vanguard account? Thanks
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BondTraderAug 10, 2023 01:26 PM
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Quote from E4300 :
AT&T is not a dividend king/aristocrat! Absolute return is capital gain PLUS dividend. Companies that increase dividend each year has a big advantage because the yield can hit +20% after 20 years. The average annual return of SP500 is 10% only because of a decade of 0% rate. There is no alternative but stocks. Since 1994, Dividend king JNJ significantly outperform SP500 on price appreciation. Add the power of JNJ's compound dividend and the gap becomes insurmountable.

You would know this if you are a true finance PRO.

https://finance.yahoo.com/chart/S...pudWxsfQ-- [yahoo.com]
1. JNJ isn't a high yield dividend stock... AT&T is. Hence 2.75% vs 7.78% ...
2. I know what total return is... the fact you didn't realize absolute return is total return baffles me.

Not sure why you thought you had a 1-up. All you did was incorrectly classify a high-yield dividend stock and then stated it outperformed the S&P... I can pick many of those... One industry that has outperformed S&P, JNJ, and the Nasdaq, is Tobacco. The real dividend king is Altria Group. 8.53% dividend and price appreciation.

Nice try, you're a few decades away...
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idfw2003Aug 10, 2023 01:27 PM
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Quote from BluegrassPicker :
At TD you buy at a specified auction discount rate per $100. Multiply that number times 1000 for your total purchase price. At maturity the T-Bill pays you back a full $100k. The $100k minus purchase price per $100 x 1000 is your return on investment. The return is computed by APY, not yield for the term.
Why not just take the difference of how much you paid when you bought it and the face value at maturity and that will be your interest. No need for this complicated math. If you want to find out the interest rate, just look up recent auction results from treasury direct by your treasury bill CUSIP number.
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jjarjosaAug 10, 2023 01:29 PM
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Quote from BluegrassPicker :
Interesting. So to clarify, if I buy my T-Bills using a Fidelity account and Fidelity goes bust before the maturity date, how do I get my money back? Thanks
Correct. Think of fidelity as the "scorekeeper" in this regard. You own the security. Fidelity is your agent that keeps track of the various securities you own.
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ThriftyBoundary684Aug 10, 2023 01:31 PM
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Note: Additionally - if you are investing in treasuries the interest is exempt from state tax. That is a great kicker compared to CDs if you live in a high tax state.
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grocerylistAug 10, 2023 01:49 PM
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Reading all of this really makes me realize how uneducated I am in finance. Any recommendations on where I could be enlightened on all these various topics? I'm sure a Google search or looking things up on YouTube is an easy step, but open to suggestions.
This is all you need
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Main_Page
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w00dst0ckAug 10, 2023 01:53 PM
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If you buy T-bills through a brokerage are they still exempt from state taxes? What if you sell before maturity?

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Ride_The_SkyAug 10, 2023 02:01 PM
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Does anyone know if you can rebuy with the interest instead of depositing it back into savings account?

Question about the long term, if we get the long term notes like 10 years, does it have option to sweep earnings every year or you have to wait until end of the term?

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