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UFB Portfolio Savings: Earn Expired

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UFB Direct, our partner, offers the following benefits with their UFB Portfolio Savings account:
  • Earn up to 5.25% -> now $5.15% APY*.
  • No monthly maintenance fees.
  • No minimum deposit requirement
  • Complimentary ATM card
  • Digital tools for seamless remote banking
  • Free transfers between direct deposit accounts
Thanks to staff member EfficientGame645 for finding this deal.

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UFB Direct our partner, offers the following benefits with their UFB Secure Savings account:
  • Earn up to 5.25% APY*.
  • No monthly maintenance fees.
  • No minimum deposit requirement
  • Complimentary ATM card
  • Digital tools for seamless remote banking
  • Free transfers between direct deposit accounts
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Created 08-11-2023 at 03:49 PM by EfficientGame645
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I have this account, started a few months ago. Only drawback I've found is that if/when they increase the interest rate on their accounts, you have to manually request an increase each time. I started at 5.03%, now requested an increase to 5.25%. I messaged them in the app at 4:53pm, they responded and updated my rate at 5:03pm (exactly 10 min). I'm ok doing a couple minutes worth of work a couple/few times a year to maintain the highest percentage. Works exactly as promised otherwise, great rates.
As per their website FAQ...

The dollar limits at funding are:

Maximum to transfer in: $250,000.00

The dollar limits after your account is funded are:

Maximum per day in or out $30,000.00 

Maximum per month $60,000.00

You may not make funds transfers in excess of limits described on the External Bank Transfer service.

We reserve the right to change from time to time the dollar amount of funds transfers you are permitted to make using our service.

https://www.ufbdirect.com/Support/faqs
I had the same experience today. Happened to check my account and found that my 5.09% rate had been downgraded to 4.5%. I spoke to CS on the phone and they raised my rate to 5.25%. I asked what the deal was with lowering my interest rate when rates are rising -- including the rates they offer new customers. He said that I just have to check my account every week or so to see if they do it again!

So basically, this is a great account for folks willing to call them on their BS. Apparently enough customers don't do that to make it worthwhile for them to play games like this.

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TMA-1
02-07-2024 at 02:01 PM.
02-07-2024 at 02:01 PM.
Quote from Joedaddy123 :
At what income amount do you hit 50%?
Effective tax rate on interest income is my effective tax rate.. no more no less than what I think 😂

I was just surprised that someone at 50% tax rate would associate with us SD peasants.
Income over $215k in New York City - 32% federal income tax, 3.8% ACA net income tax, 6.85% New York State, 3.876% New York City = 46.526%

Income over $243,725 is 35% federal income tax, 3.8% ACA net income tax, 6.85% New York State, 3.876% New York City = 49.526% (50%)

California taxes income above $66k at 9.3%, Wyoming taxes income above $60k at 8.5%

The are 9 states with income tax which with tax rates less than ~5% they are AZ, CO, IN, KY, LA, MI, ND, OH, and PN -

7 states have no income tax: AK, FL, NV, SD, TN, TX, NH
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Joedaddy123
02-07-2024 at 02:13 PM.
02-07-2024 at 02:13 PM.
Quote from TMA-1 :
Income over $215k in New York City - 32% federal income tax, 3.8% ACA net income tax, 6.85% New York State, 3.876% New York City = 46.526%

Income over $243,725 is 35% federal income tax, 3.8% ACA net income tax, 6.85% New York State, 3.876% New York City = 49.526% (50%)

California taxes income above $66k at 9.3%, Wyoming taxes income above $60k at 8.5%

The are 9 states with income tax which with tax rates less than ~5% they are AZ, CO, IN, KY, LA, MI, ND, OH, and PN -

7 states have no income tax: AK, FL, NV, SD, TN, TX, NH
You may want to look up progressive and marginal tax rate definition and methodology.
No one making $300k should be paying anything close to 50% in taxes. I'd say ~$1m salary is when you get close to 50% net. Smilie
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TMA-1
02-07-2024 at 03:13 PM.
02-07-2024 at 03:13 PM.
Quote from Joedaddy123 :
You may want to look up progressive and marginal tax rate definition and methodology.
No one making $300k should be paying anything close to 50% in taxes. I'd say ~$1m salary is when you get close to 50% net.
I'm extremely well versed as described in my prior post and I'm referring to the income generated from interest on a high yield savings account (which is taxed at the highest marginal rate plus ACA net interest rate) - here are some resources to help you:

Federal Tax Income Tax Marginal Tax Rates [taxfoundation.org]

State Income Tax Marginal Tax Rates [taxfoundation.org]
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Joedaddy123
02-07-2024 at 03:14 PM.
02-07-2024 at 03:14 PM.
Quote from TMA-1 :
I'm extremely well versed as described in my prior post and I'm referring to the income generated from interest on a high yield savings account (which is taxed at the highest marginal rate plus ACA net interest rate) - here are some resources to help you:

Federal Tax Income Tax Marginal Tax Rates [taxfoundation.org]

State Income Tax Marginal Tax Rates [taxfoundation.org]
Cool. I'm just glad you are not my CPA. Smilie
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anni77777
02-07-2024 at 05:00 PM.
02-07-2024 at 05:00 PM.
What is the minimum amount needed to deposit to get this %? Ya know,for us poor folk who cannot tie up much at once..
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TMA-1
02-07-2024 at 05:25 PM.
02-07-2024 at 05:25 PM.
Quote from Joedaddy123 :
Cool. I'm just glad you are not my CPA.
Happy to help, just realize that the interest earned from the account is going to be taxed at the highest margin of your earnings - which is my case is 50% - that brings the net yield on a 5% interest baring account to 2.5% - as a result I have my fixed income allocation in SGOV which is the 0-3 month Treasury ETF that yields 4.87% which is reinvested tax free.
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Diz
02-07-2024 at 05:55 PM.
02-07-2024 at 05:55 PM.
Quote from TMA-1 :
Happy to help, just realize that the interest earned from the account is going to be taxed at the highest margin of your earnings - which is my case is 50% - that brings the net yield on a 5% interest baring account to 2.5% - as a result I have my fixed income allocation in SGOV which is the 0-3 month Treasury ETF that yields 4.87% which is reinvested tax free.
How are you reinvesting tax-free while maintaining liquidity? If the holding is not in a retirement account, I'm not following you, and if it is in a retirement account, how is it liquid? I'm personally in XHLF, which is also a Treasury based ETF, but it's with my main brokerage so while I reinvest the dividends, there are certainly tax implications.
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02-11-2024 at 08:25 AM.
02-11-2024 at 08:25 AM.
Quote from Diz :
How are you reinvesting tax-free while maintaining liquidity? If the holding is not in a retirement account, I'm not following you, and if it is in a retirement account, how is it liquid? I'm personally in XHLF, which is also a Treasury based ETF, but it's with my main brokerage so while I reinvest the dividends, there are certainly tax implications.
It's a non-retirement account - if you set up a DRIP (dividend reinvestment program) both SGOV and XHLF should pay a "qualified dividend" meaning you only pay taxes as long term cap gains when you exit the position (vs. non-qualified dividend which you pay short term cap gains/straight income tax on if you take the dividend as a cash payment vs. reinvestment) - the NAV/price on SGOV and XHLF is basically 1 so in both cases the price doesn't really change so it's entirely liquid if we need to cash out. SGOV yield is currently 4.85% while XHLF is 4.49%
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Diz
02-11-2024 at 02:41 PM.
02-11-2024 at 02:41 PM.
Quote from TMA-1 :
It's a non-retirement account - if you set up a DRIP (dividend reinvestment program) both SGOV and XHLF should pay a "qualified dividend" meaning you only pay taxes as long term cap gains when you exit the position (vs. non-qualified dividend which you pay short term cap gains/straight income tax on if you take the dividend as a cash payment vs. reinvestment) - the NAV/price on SGOV and XHLF is basically 1 so in both cases the price doesn't really change so it's entirely liquid if we need to cash out. SGOV yield is currently 4.85% while XHLF is 4.49%
OK, now I'm following you. I only started a position in XHLF in May and have been building it up as I move out of positions in my loser holdings, and have been tracking 30-day yield performance monthly, at the least. I'm still awaiting my 1099-B to confirm that it has indeed been treated like a qualified dividend, which is why I have been DRiP'ing it since day 1. I did accidentally sell a handful of shares on the mobile app one early morning instead of buying another handful -- sigh -- but not a big deal in the grand scheme of things as it's not even 1% of my overall position.

What timeframe/reference are you basing the 4.49% yield on? I've been using the following for XHLF 30-day:

https://bondbloxxetf.com/bondblox...easury-etf
https://bondbloxxetf.com/bondblox...erformance

It was as high as 5.31% on Nov 1 and Dec 1, then 5.2%% on 1/1, and 5.10% on Feb 1. Now it's dipped just under 5% for the first time since late May. I'm hoping that my winners keep on running while I continue to move my losers into XHLF (and now SGOV!), but I don't have my hopes up too high.

And, I'm now officially into SGOV with 90% of my fixed income. Thanks for the recommendation!
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fxclm5
02-12-2024 at 01:52 PM.
02-12-2024 at 01:52 PM.
Quote from Diz :
OK, now I'm following you. I only started a position in XHLF in May and have been building it up as I move out of positions in my loser holdings, and have been tracking 30-day yield performance monthly, at the least. I'm still awaiting my 1099-B to confirm that it has indeed been treated like a qualified dividend, which is why I have been DRiP'ing it since day 1. I did accidentally sell a handful of shares on the mobile app one early morning instead of buying another handful -- sigh -- but not a big deal in the grand scheme of things as it's not even 1% of my overall position.

What timeframe/reference are you basing the 4.49% yield on? I've been using the following for XHLF 30-day:

https://bondbloxxetf.com/bondblox...easury-etf
https://bondbloxxetf.com/bondblox...erformance

It was as high as 5.31% on Nov 1 and Dec 1, then 5.2%% on 1/1, and 5.10% on Feb 1. Now it's dipped just under 5% for the first time since late May. I'm hoping that my winners keep on running while I continue to move my losers into XHLF (and now SGOV!), but I don't have my hopes up too high.

And, I'm now officially into SGOV with 90% of my fixed income. Thanks for the recommendation!

can you explain this again - in more simpler way, like why is your method of investment better then this thread to start, thanks i am interested in this
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02-12-2024 at 02:22 PM.
02-12-2024 at 02:22 PM.
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can you explain this again - in more simpler way, like why is your method of investment better then this thread to start, thanks i am interested in this
Definitely use the DRIP to take advantage of the qualified dividend.

The yield on the ETF (or any security/treasury) reflects the yield if you buy at the current price - since the price of XHLF and SGOV doesn't really change the yield is a pretty accurate reflection of what you're currently earning
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02-12-2024 at 04:00 PM.
Quote from TMA-1 :
Definitely use the DRIP to take advantage of the qualified dividend.

The yield on the ETF (or any security/treasury) reflects the yield if you buy at the current price - since the price of XHLF and SGOV doesn't really change the yield is a pretty accurate reflection of what you're currently earning
Quick question re: the qualified dividend - if you are doing DRIP, is the "stock must be held for more than 60 days in the 121-day period that began 60 days before the ex-dividend date" requirement still applicable? In other words, when it comes time to liquidate, and say a dividend was just paid, do I need to wait until this requirement is met to avoid short-term cap gains? I'm thinking yes.
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Raisin is much better and higher rates
Appreciate the suggestion. I went with Raisin after doing some research.
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Whenever I want to connect UFB direct to my First Horizon bank account, it asks for the username and password of the First Horizon account. Is it safe to do so to transfer money? Highly appreciate your reply. Thanks.
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02-15-2024 at 12:13 PM.
02-15-2024 at 12:13 PM.
Quote from Diz :
Quick question re: the qualified dividend - if you are doing DRIP, is the "stock must be held for more than 60 days in the 121-day period that began 60 days before the ex-dividend date" requirement still applicable? In other words, when it comes time to liquidate, and say a dividend was just paid, do I need to wait until this requirement is met to avoid short-term cap gains? I'm thinking yes.
I just got my 1099/1098 for 2023 and I think you're correct - the stock must be held for 60 days prior to the dividend for the dividend to be considered qualified - upon sale you will pay short term cap gains (straight income tax) if the stock (including dividend reinvestment) is held for less than a year - which gives you the same exposure as having a high yield savings account - so all told I think high yield treasury ETFs are the better play because you avoid income tax on the interest if you hold more than a year and at worst you pay income tax on the interest if you need to liquidate
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