expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
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expiredcybertronicify posted Aug 12, 2023 10:41 PM
FIRMAN W01682F 2000/1600W Recoil Start Inverter Generator (Refurbished)
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2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.
Thank you.
1. You still haven't taken into account the cost of the item itself (Ecoflow Pro and generator). Please rerun your analysis.
- If you're lucky and got the EDPro on sale for $2000 then you offset the cost around 400 gallons of generator usage.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
- That's why I never said gas generator is useless. You have to have both.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
- Again, That's why I never said gas generator is useless. You have to have both. You can run your generator for 2 hrs and fully charge EDPro. Then turn off your generator for quiet/fumeless operation.
- Go to craigslist/Offerup/FBMP and buy used 300-400 watts panels for less than $100. The price has fallen to 25 cents per watt. You can use gas generator and solar panel at the same time to charge it quicker.
- You can charge using your car's 12v or any DC source up to 150v.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.
- Check my posts. Almost everypost I did I put that statement even the first post I did kinda mentioned it.
- You won't need that much gasoline if you have both. The problem with gas generators is, it will consume gasoline whether you plug a thing or not.
- In fact, you will only need the gas generator in the super worst-case scenario which waste its usefulness most of the time. A product you don't use is considered super expensive no matter how much you bought it. A $200 generator that you will only use once or twice in 5 yrs. is expensive. Then not to mention that you still have to maintain it, store gasoline that gets bad without preservatives.
- on the other hand, you can use the EDPro with panels everyday for 10+ yrs to offset some electricity bills and not just for emergency use case.Everyday you charge from the sun and everyday you use what you produced. Say your Fridge is plugged to it everyday so pretty much, your fridge will run for free for 10+ yrs. Fridge are by average will cost around $150 to $200 a year to operate so for 10 yrs, you get some of your money back.
- Again, you need both.
- If you're lucky and got the EDPro on sale for $2000 then you offset the cost around 400 gallons of generator usage.
2. The target audience of this generator is using it as a backup energy source such as during a blackout, not something they are living off of. Nobody in their right mind is buying this thinking they will use this for 1000 hours let alone 3600 hours. NOBODY.
- That's why I never said gas generator is useless. You have to have both.
3. During such a blackout, you will not have electricity to recharge this, so if you are using solar please add the cost of solar panels into your equation in #1 and redo the analysis. You are presuming most people have a free charging station available to them. There are many people who don't. Even if it may show it on maps, many free stations do not work. Also, you would need to presume those stations are operational during a big city-wide blackout. having lived through many hurricanes and floods, I can tell you they do not work during these times. If you are shifting your argument back to solar at this point, then please make sure you have enough panels to charge this as fast as you can consume it. Rerun your analysis.
- Again, That's why I never said gas generator is useless. You have to have both. You can run your generator for 2 hrs and fully charge EDPro. Then turn off your generator for quiet/fumeless operation.
- Go to craigslist/Offerup/FBMP and buy used 300-400 watts panels for less than $100. The price has fallen to 25 cents per watt. You can use gas generator and solar panel at the same time to charge it quicker.
- You can charge using your car's 12v or any DC source up to 150v.
4. "You need both... like I said 1000 times". No you haven't. This is only the second time you have mentioned it and first after I have called you out. If you are needing both then your analysis is completely out the window because now you need to add the cost of gasoline and the cost of the Ecoflow. Please rerun another analysis for this situation.
- Check my posts. Almost everypost I did I put that statement even the first post I did kinda mentioned it.
- You won't need that much gasoline if you have both. The problem with gas generators is, it will consume gasoline whether you plug a thing or not.
- In fact, you will only need the gas generator in the super worst-case scenario which waste its usefulness most of the time. A product you don't use is considered super expensive no matter how much you bought it. A $200 generator that you will only use once or twice in 5 yrs. is expensive. Then not to mention that you still have to maintain it, store gasoline that gets bad without preservatives.
- on the other hand, you can use the EDPro with panels everyday for 10+ yrs to offset some electricity bills and not just for emergency use case.Everyday you charge from the sun and everyday you use what you produced. Say your Fridge is plugged to it everyday so pretty much, your fridge will run for free for 10+ yrs. Fridge are by average will cost around $150 to $200 a year to operate so for 10 yrs, you get some of your money back.
- Again, you need both.
Come dude. Think.
You can chain your generator, put cage etc but it will still be noisier, it produces fumes, etc and the inconvenience of starting it when you need it.
Like I said, you need both.
So I store 100lb of propane that cost $65 and will last for a week easily in an extended outage.
Your ecoflow will die day 1 and everything in your fridge will be rotten. Maybe you could buy a generator to recharge your ecoflow when the power is out? But at that point why not just run the generator that costs 1/7th your ecoflow?
Come on dude. Think.
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- Check my posts. Almost everypost I did I put that statement even the first post I did kinda mentioned it.
- You won't need that much gasoline if you have both. The problem with gas generators is, it will consume gasoline whether you plug a thing or not.
- In fact, you will only need the gas generator in the super worst-case scenario which waste its usefulness most of the time. A product you don't use is considered super expensive no matter how much you bought it. A $200 generator that you will only use once or twice in 5 yrs. is expensive. Then not to mention that you still have to maintain it, store gasoline that gets bad without preservatives.
- on the other hand, you can use the EDPro with panels everyday for 10+ yrs to offset some electricity bills and not just for emergency use case.Everyday you charge from the sun and everyday you use what you produced. Say your Fridge is plugged to it everyday so pretty much, your fridge will run for free for 10+ yrs. Fridge are by average will cost around $150 to $200 a year to operate so for 10 yrs, you get some of your money back.
- Again, you need both.
Not making this cloudy stuff up. Talk to this guy:
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So basically, they sent me a non-working, defective item that was supposed to go through some sort of testing beforehand, and it went through none, and now they want me to take time out of my day to drain the oil, fuel, clean the whole unit for them, and then drive down to FedEx 30 miles from me (nearest one) and return it to them.
Wtf...
Your assumptions were wrong.
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It was $499 yesterday.
The same one.
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