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DENON AVR-X4800H NEW OPEN BOX 9.4-Ch x 125 Watts 8K A/V Receiver - $1799.00
$1,799.00
$2,499.00
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This is back up for those looking for a deal on the Denon x4800h.
If you are open to open box, authorized dealer AC4L has a deal for $1799.
This comes with the same 3 year manufacturers warranty as a new one.
Common questions that pop with Denon and comparisons.
Right now Denon gives you the option to add Dirac Live loudspeaker RC.
The two options:
Limited bandwidth for $259
Full bandwidth for $349
Dirac requires a calibrated mic, the one included is not.
Least expensive runs around $100
https://www.minidsp.com/products/...ent/umik-1
For reference Onkyo RZ50/7100,Pioneer 305/505,Integra 3.4/5.4 includes full bandwidth version & required mic.
Denon will be adding the option for Dirac's subwoofer room correction(DLBC) sometime next year.
This room correction will be offered in two options.
Single subwoofer for $349
Multi subwoofer for $499
For reference the Onkyo/Pioneer/Integra AVRs referenced above will most likely not get DLBC option.
This is built in Japan, like their higher end models.
You can read up on the benefits of DLBC here:
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
This is back up for those looking for a deal on the Denon x4800h.
If you are open to open box, authorized dealer AC4L has a deal for $1799.
This comes with the same 3 year manufacturers warranty as a new one.
Common questions that pop with Denon and comparisons.
Right now Denon gives you the option to add Dirac Live loudspeaker RC.
The two options:
Limited bandwidth for $259
Full bandwidth for $349
Dirac requires a calibrated mic, the one included is not.
Least expensive runs around $100
https://www.minidsp.com/products/...ent/umik-1
For reference Onkyo RZ50/7100,Pioneer 305/505,Integra 3.4/5.4 includes full bandwidth version & required mic.
Denon will be adding the option for Dirac's subwoofer room correction(DLBC) sometime next year.
This room correction will be offered in two options.
Single subwoofer for $349
Multi subwoofer for $499
For reference the Onkyo/Pioneer/Integra AVRs referenced above will most likely not get DLBC option.
This is built in Japan, like their higher end models.
You can read up on the benefits of DLBC here:
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
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Comes standard with several things that are optional on the X4800 in order to have Dirac
More importantly..its 20lbs heavier than the X4800
Since they both use class A/B amplification that speaks to high likelihood of a more robust amp/power supply on the Onkyo
I have seen some Onkyo RZ70 refurb units for $2K as well and I suspect that will be the NIB price when they are flush with inventory.
Refurbs likely in the $1500-1600 range in time as well
Comes standard with several things that are optional on the X4800 in order to have Dirac
More importantly..its 20lbs heavier than the X4800
Since they both use class A/B amplification that speaks to high likelihood of a more robust amp/power supply on the Onkyo
I have seen some Onkyo RZ70 refurb units for $2K as well and I suspect that will be the NIB price when they are flush with inventory.
The 4800's comparison point in the OnkyoPioneerInegtra line (as they are all made by the same manufacturer and are basically all the same under the hood with discrepencies in power etc) would be the RZ-50. In which case, even with DIRAC I would, IMO, go with Denon every time out. Yes Dirac is an optional fee but the superior Audyssey (XT32) is built in and will work for many. Made in Japan. IMO superior sound and build quality. The Andrew Robinsons of the world will preach the Onkyo company line but I've tried the RZ-50 and would pay extra for the 4800 (and have) over it.
If you don't have the budget but still want the room correction of Audyssey/Dirac upgrade option the 3800 will work for many.
The 4800's comparison point in the OnkyoPioneerInegtra line (as they are all made by the same manufacturer and are basically all the same under the hood with discrepencies in power etc) would be the RZ-50. In which case, even with DIRAC I would, IMO, go with Denon every time out. Yes Dirac is an optional fee but the superior Audyssey (XT32) is built in and will work for many. Made in Japan. IMO superior sound and build quality. The Andrew Robinsons of the world will preach the Onkyo company line but I've tried the RZ-50 and would pay extra for the 4800 (and have) over it.
If you don't have the budget but still want the room correction of Audyssey/Dirac upgrade option the 3800 will work for many.
Not sure if you read the AVS science review...but neither of those units scored well. However I understand they are built to a price point
is there a Denon X6800?...I was thinking they were dropping that level
I have already seen the RZ70, refurbed , for $2000
I think when its stocked well in the market the everyday price will be much lower...as it typically has been for all units in this range
Potentially...due to the weight..the RZ has the potential to have a great amp section, for this price range
Personally , I think Dirac is head and shoulders above Audyssey...so for me I would not be using it with a piece that had Dirac available.
The 4800's comparison point in the OnkyoPioneerInegtra line (as they are all made by the same manufacturer and are basically all the same under the hood with discrepencies in power etc) would be the RZ-50. In which case, even with DIRAC I would, IMO, go with Denon every time out. Yes Dirac is an optional fee but the superior Audyssey (XT32) is built in and will work for many. Made in Japan. IMO superior sound and build quality. The Andrew Robinsons of the world will preach the Onkyo company line but I've tried the RZ-50 and would pay extra for the 4800 (and have) over it.
If you don't have the budget but still want the room correction of Audyssey/Dirac upgrade option the 3800 will work for many.
FYI the 6800 is coming out at the beginning of the year sometime.
The 4800 expands to 11 channels and all channels are assignable & preamp mode for each.
The 4800 has 4 separate sub outs.
Whether the 15 watts are a benefit will vary but for most, sonically probably not.
I agree on the 3800, especially if someone feels they need Dirac.
With the recent sale of $999 + $349 for Dirac, gives all you the benefits the $2800 RX70(& 4800) offers!
Whether the extra power is a benefit and or how much will vary.
If you use external amps the power difference is a wash, IMO would be better(if you need it).
Not sure if you read the AVS science review...but neither of those units scored well. However I understand they are built to a price point
is there a Denon X6800?...I was thinking they were dropping that level
I have already seen the RZ70, refurbed , for $2000
I think when its stocked well in the market the everyday price will be much lower...as it typically has been for all units in this range
Potentially...due to the weight..the RZ has the potential to have a great amp section, for this price range
Personally , I think Dirac is head and shoulders above Audyssey...so for me I would not be using it with a piece that had Dirac available.
The 4800's comparison point in the OnkyoPioneerInegtra line (as they are all made by the same manufacturer and are basically all the same under the hood with discrepencies in power etc) would be the RZ-50. In which case, even with DIRAC I would, IMO, go with Denon every time out. Yes Dirac is an optional fee but the superior Audyssey (XT32) is built in and will work for many. Made in Japan. IMO superior sound and build quality. The Andrew Robinsons of the world will preach the Onkyo company line but I've tried the RZ-50 and would pay extra for the 4800 (and have) over it.
If you don't have the budget but still want the room correction of Audyssey/Dirac upgrade option the 3800 will work for many.
power - RZ50 120wpc / denon 3800 - 105wpc / 4800 - 125wpc
all 3 models have 9 channel amps built-in
warranty for all models is 3 years
price (apples to apples - as close as possible)
denon 3800 (new) is $1699 then add Dirac Live ($349) and dirac calibration mic ($100) = $2148
denon 4800 (new) is $2499 then add Dirac Live ($349) and dirac calibration mic ($100) = $2948onkyo RZ50 (new) is $1299, Dirac Live included and dirac calibration mic is included = $1299
there is a denon 6800 coming out and that does align more with the onkyo RZ70 (feature wise)
power - both the RZ70 and 6800 are 140wpc
both have 11 channel amps
denon 6800 is priced at $3499
onkyo RZ70 is $2799
i have yet to see a full spec sheet on the denon (Not out yet) so it is hard to make a full apples to apples comparison.
The 4800's comparison point in the OnkyoPioneerInegtra line (as they are all made by the same manufacturer and are basically all the same under the hood with discrepencies in power etc) would be the RZ-50. In which case, even with DIRAC I would, IMO, go with Denon every time out. Yes Dirac is an optional fee but the superior Audyssey (XT32) is built in and will work for many. Made in Japan. IMO superior sound and build quality. The Andrew Robinsons of the world will preach the Onkyo company line but I've tried the RZ-50 and would pay extra for the 4800 (and have) over it.
If you don't have the budget but still want the room correction of Audyssey/Dirac upgrade option the 3800 will work for many.
Andrew Robinson is wrong but that doesn't make Denon a clear choice. Check out this more sensible review. https://youtu.be/NIJm8GE5_ME?si=
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I find funny how much value people put into them!
Yet any sensible/credible reviewer always ends up saying this is my impression & preference and you should listen for yourself!
I love how Robinson makes such a big deal on the importance of Dirac and how Denon/Marantz didn't add or make the option available when released.
Yet he prefers & uses his own manual settlings!
He raves about Dirac and ART yet whether to get DLBC, see if you actually need it!
Both Dirac RC's are very good, as a matter of fact ART is heavily based on DLBC(& required)!
I wonder what he would say now about 3800 for the recent $999 deal!
$999 + $349 + $100=$1449 gives you almost all the same benefits of the RZ70!
Yet any sensible/credible reviewer always ends up saying this is my impression & preference and you should listen for yourself!
I love how Robinson makes such a big deal on the importance of Dirac and how Denon/Marantz didn't add or make the option available when released.
Yet he prefers & uses his own manual settlings!
He raves about Dirac and ART yet whether to get DLBC, see if you actually need it!
Both Dirac RC's are very good, as a matter of fact ART is heavily based on DLBC(& required)!
I wonder what he would say now about 3800 for the recent $999 deal!
$999 + $349 + $100=$1449 gives you almost all the same benefits of the RZ70!
The review is sensible for sure. Andrew on the other hand is an informercial since there devices are given to them for free and it's more like a husband and wife talk show and less about music review. He often contradicts himself in his own reviews.
power - RZ50 120wpc / denon 3800 - 105wpc / 4800 - 125wpc
all 3 models have 9 channel amps built-in
warranty for all models is 3 years
price (apples to apples - as close as possible)
denon 3800 (new) is $1699 then add Dirac Live ($349) and dirac calibration mic ($100) = $2148
denon 4800 (new) is $2499 then add Dirac Live ($349) and dirac calibration mic ($100) = $2948onkyo RZ50 (new) is $1299, Dirac Live included and dirac calibration mic is included = $1299
there is a denon 6800 coming out and that does align more with the onkyo RZ70 (feature wise)
power - both the RZ70 and 6800 are 140wpc
both have 11 channel amps
denon 6800 is priced at $3499
onkyo RZ70 is $2799
i have yet to see a full spec sheet on the denon (Not out yet) so it is hard to make a full apples to apples comparison.
Neither the Onkyo RZ50 or Denon X3800 were reviewed very well by Audio Science review
Both garnered a " not reccomended" rating and I understand for their price points
Based on some of the street prices we have seen they are about the same
The Denon X4800 barely received a recommended status
I have already seen refurbed deals on the RZ70 at $2K...New at authorized dealers its is $2800
I am betting when inventory is flush on the RZ70 we see street prices at the $2K level and refurbs for $1700
I have yet to see a bench test on the RZ70( trio of units) ..but at 48lbs it looks like it will have a very nice amp/power supply
Its is 18lbs heavier than the Denon X4800
If there is a Denon X6800 I suspect MSRP to be in the low $3K range
Your DIRAC option prices are accurate , but you didnt add the DLBC option, which is not available yet on any Marantz/Denon product
Your DIRAC option prices are accurate , but you didnt add the DLBC option, which is not available yet on any Marantz/Denon product
https://www.denon.com/en-us/produ...00794.h
i didn't include the DLBC in the 3800/4800/RZ50 comparison to make it a fair apples to apples comparison (It is not available on the RZ50).
for the 6800/RZ70 comparison, both should have the same DLBC license cost $349 (single subwoofer) or $499 (multi-subwoofer) but i have not seen official pricing for the 6800 DLBC upgrade and it is not coming out until 2024 (No published release date yet).
The Denon X4800 barely received a recommended status
Either way, again, your basic comparison is flawed because you are comparing the features in the 4800, which is not the "flagship" Denon (that's the 6800), with Onkyo's "flagship", the RZ-70. Whatever, it's obvious you feel Onkyo is the right choice. I'd go with Denon, it's my personal preference based on having tried basically every one of these AVR's over the last year and owned Onkyos and Denons for many years prior to that. Been burned too many times before by Onkyo, regardless of how much their AVR's weigh.
And after doing direct comparisons, I vastly preferred the 4800 to the RZ-50 in terms of sound/functionality regardless of Andrew Robinson's scummy payola reviews. He also recommended the new Sony AVR on his channel which I bought and returned -- raved about it, even though the sound was weak and the AVR itself buggy as all hell based on customer reviews and general feedback you can find online.