expiredLolaBunny21 | Staff posted Oct 24, 2023 03:57 PM
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expiredLolaBunny21 | Staff posted Oct 24, 2023 03:57 PM
Hoka Women's Stinson ATR 6 Running Shoes (Outer Space/Blue Glass)
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You've got 12 pairs of their shoes in the past six years, but now have left them in the dust for .......... ?????
Can't tell if this is an AI post or if you're incredibly talented at burying the lede.
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No casual or even ultra runner for that matter would be this highly specific about what they do wrong, and still absolutely resist listing an alternative.
Why? Because you A. Don't want to give away who you work with and B. would have to list a competitor as "better" and you're not going to do that.
Might be wrong, but that's the only way this makes sense. Your post history pretty much aligns.
I'm not exclusively critical of HOKA. In fact, I consider Brooks to be an even worse brand for runners. A few weeks back I pointed out some drawbacks to the Hyperion Max when it was posted.
If I come across as negative it's mainly because most of the running shoes posted here are low tier or meh and I usually can't resist opining.
I did all my summer running on roads. Night time mainly because the heat is unbearable down here. Now that the temps and humidity are moderating I'm mixing in some trail miles to get away from car traffic and reconnect with nature.
The New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3 is a solid road shoe. I finally used it for a trail run last week. Overall it did well but there was some traction issues and the exposed underside midsole got tenderized and the foam looks like it could get chewed up by the gravel. If I had to pick one this is probably my favorite shoe. It's super soft and flexible. Has nice rebound and the upper is very airy.
I also used the Puma Deviate NITRO 2 for a mixed road trail run earlier this week. Much better traction thanks to the Puma Grip ATR lug pattern. The cushioning felt a little thin in the forefoot and the upper is not as breathable as I would prefer. The full length plate helps reduce leg and foot fatigue. The Deviate has the highest reflectivity of any shoe I have encountered. Great for evening runs.
For tempo road runs I like to use the Saucony Endorphin 2. The nylon plate this shoe has keeps the leg fresh. The platform is narrow and the foam becomes quite squishy as a the run progresses. Need good form and strong hips to run in these shoes.
The Endorphin Speed 3 is another shoe I like to run roads in. It's more stable and feels more cushioned in the forefoot than the v2 but has the drawback of being clunkier and slower. Overall a nice shoe for steady long runs.
I'm not exclusively critical of HOKA. In fact, I consider Brooks to be an even worse brand for runners. A few weeks back I pointed out some drawbacks to the Hyperion Max when it was posted.
If I come across as negative it's mainly because most of the running shoes posted here are low tier or meh and I usually can't resist opining.
I did all my summer running on roads. Night time mainly because the heat is unbearable down here. Now that the temps and humidity are moderating I'm mixing in some trail miles to get away from car traffic and reconnect with nature.
The New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3 is a solid road shoe. I finally used it for a trail run last week. Overall it did well but there was some traction issues and the exposed underside midsole got tenderized and the foam looks like it could get chewed up by the gravel. If I had to pick one this is probably my favorite shoe. It's super soft and flexible. Has nice rebound and the upper is very airy.
I also used the Puma Deviate NITRO 2 for a mixed road trail run earlier this week. Much better traction thanks to the Puma Grip ATR lug pattern. The cushioning felt a little thin in the forefoot and the upper is not as breathable as I would prefer. The full length plate helps reduce leg and foot fatigue. The Deviate has the highest reflectivity of any shoe I have encountered. Great for evening runs.
For tempo road runs I like to use the Saucony Endorphin 2. The nylon plate this shoe has keeps the leg fresh. The platform is narrow and the foam becomes quite squishy as a the run progresses. Need good form and strong hips to run in these shoes.
The Endorphin Speed 3 is another shoe I like to run roads in. It's more stable and feels more cushioned in the forefoot than the v2 but has the drawback of being clunkier and slower. Overall a nice shoe for steady long runs.
I'm not exclusively critical of HOKA. In fact, I consider Brooks to be an even worse brand for runners. A few weeks back I pointed out some drawbacks to the Hyperion Max when it was posted.
If I come across as negative it's mainly because most of the running shoes posted here are low tier or meh and I usually can't resist opining.
I did all my summer running on roads. Night time mainly because the heat is unbearable down here. Now that the temps and humidity are moderating I'm mixing in some trail miles to get away from car traffic and reconnect with nature.
The New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3 is a solid road shoe. I finally used it for a trail run last week. Overall it did well but there was some traction issues and the exposed underside midsole got tenderized and the foam looks like it could get chewed up by the gravel. If I had to pick one this is probably my favorite shoe. It's super soft and flexible. Has nice rebound and the upper is very airy.
I also used the Puma Deviate NITRO 2 for a mixed road trail run earlier this week. Much better traction thanks to the Puma Grip ATR lug pattern. The cushioning felt a little thin in the forefoot and the upper is not as breathable as I would prefer. The full length plate helps reduce leg and foot fatigue. The Deviate has the highest reflectivity of any shoe I have encountered. Great for evening runs.
For tempo road runs I like to use the Saucony Endorphin 2. The nylon plate this shoe has keeps the leg fresh. The platform is narrow and the foam becomes quite squishy as a the run progresses. Need good form and strong hips to run in these shoes.
The Endorphin Speed 3 is another shoe I like to run roads in. It's more stable and feels more cushioned in the forefoot than the v2 but has the drawback of being clunkier and slower. Overall a nice shoe for steady long runs.
Adding the New Balance Supercomp Trainer v1 as another recommended shoe. Took my pair out for their first run tonight. 13 miles. This shoe is seriously chonky but has a well thought out carbon plate design with bouncy foam to offset the bulk and weight. The midsole has a rockered geometry to make transitions smooth. The upper mesh is very open and breathable. The shoe manages to feel stable despite the 47mm stack height.
The HOKA MACH 4 is getting dropped from my shoe rotation. The SC Trainer will take it's place. Huge upgrade.
The Mach 4, like most HOKAs, has been a disappointment. The Profly midsole has gone dead after around 50 miles and the most recent run in the Mach 4 left my feet sore.
The only HOKA shoe that I currently run in is the Mach 5. HOKA upgraded the midsole to Profly+ for this model. The (+) version benefited from the inclusion of nitrogen gas. It's more resilient than the older Profly which developed foam creases almost immediately. But it's not all cupcakes and ice cream. The cushioning the Mach 5 provides is still less than all of the other shoes I run in. For my use case and distances the cushioning is inadequate. My recent 9 mile run in the Mach 5 caused an old lumbar spine injury to flare up. Had lower back spasms that lasted a few hours after the run. The cushioning is just not deep or springy enough. For shorter distances like 10k it's an okay (meh) trainer.
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No casual or even ultra runner for that matter would be this highly specific about what they do wrong, and still absolutely resist listing an alternative.
Why? Because you A. Don't want to give away who you work with and B. would have to list a competitor as "better" and you're not going to do that.
Might be wrong, but that's the only way this makes sense. Your post history pretty much aligns.
The atr stintson are heavier, with more cushion. So that might help if you work long days on concrete like I do.
I hear they have "wide" versions called "W". Might work for you. One thing I do is tense up my feet to make em "bulge" while tying my shoe laces. Kinda helps me from preventing over tightening.
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