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4GB Raspberry Pi 5

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Maker Bright has Raspberry Pi 5 from $60. Shipping starts from $14.10.

Thanks to community member CleverCreature256 for sharing this deal.

Note, shipping cost may vary by location. UPS Ground is the recommended option and starts from $14.10.

Available: Processer:
  • 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU, with cryptography extensions
  • 512KB per-core L2 caches
  • 2MB shared L3 cache
Features:
  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI display output with HDR support
  • 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM
  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi
  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
  • MicroSD card slot, with support for high-speed SDR104 mode
  • 2x USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation
  • 2x USB 2.0 ports
  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate Pi5-specific PoE+ HAT)
  • 2x 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals (requires separate M.2 HAT or other adapter)
  • 5V/5A DC power via USB-C, with Power Delivery support
  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
  • Real-time clock (RTC), powered from an external battery (available separately)
  • Power button

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Maker Bright has Raspberry Pi 5 from $60. Shipping starts from $14.10.

Thanks to community member CleverCreature256 for sharing this deal.

Note, shipping cost may vary by location. UPS Ground is the recommended option and starts from $14.10.

Available: Processer:
  • 2.4GHz quad-core 64-bit Arm Cortex-A76 CPU, with cryptography extensions
  • 512KB per-core L2 caches
  • 2MB shared L3 cache
Features:
  • VideoCore VII GPU, supporting OpenGL ES 3.1, Vulkan 1.2
  • Dual 4Kp60 HDMI display output with HDR support
  • 4Kp60 HEVC decoder
  • LPDDR4X-4267 SDRAM
  • Dual-band 802.11ac Wi-Fi
  • Bluetooth 5.0 / Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)
  • MicroSD card slot, with support for high-speed SDR104 mode
  • 2x USB 3.0 ports, supporting simultaneous 5Gbps operation
  • 2x USB 2.0 ports
  • Gigabit Ethernet, with PoE+ support (requires separate Pi5-specific PoE+ HAT)
  • 2x 4-lane MIPI camera/display transceivers
  • PCIe 2.0 x1 interface for fast peripherals (requires separate M.2 HAT or other adapter)
  • 5V/5A DC power via USB-C, with Power Delivery support
  • Raspberry Pi standard 40-pin GPIO header
  • Real-time clock (RTC), powered from an external battery (available separately)
  • Power button

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adarkstar
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Shipping about $14.00
Scintillation
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you can make a bypass button; use as bookmark on phone and computer.
Mine is like this:
http://pi.hole/admin/api.php?disable=60&auth=

Disables pihole for 60 secs.
Your auth would need to be generated.
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If you are buying this to run services or desktop replacement, just go with an Intel n95 or n100 mini pc. They are still 2x faster than the pi 5 and 4-5x faster than pi 4. By the time you buy a case and storage and power supply for the pi 5, you could just have a better mini pc that runs windows or any Linux version and you don't have to buy more for it.

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MusicSharkNov 01, 2023 04:49 AM
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Terrible price on outdated hardware.
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threeclawsNov 01, 2023 04:58 AM
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Quote from TheEmfinger :
You are not going to find an $80 n100 box, as that's outrageously cheap for what it is. I paid $109 for my Trigkey N95 box a couple of weeks back on Amazon (sold out currently). For that you get an all in one unit that boots into a fully activated windows 11 install. 8GB ram. 256Gb NVME SSD. WiFi 6. Power supply. Case. HDMI cables. So you are talking only $30 more than the pi 5 8GB, for a much better pc. Beelink s12 should be around $120 for an n95 version. I've seen n100 units for as low as $130.

I installed Debian Bookworm on it, and it is impressively fast and still idles in the single digit watts.
So n100, the chip you'd want at this point, is +$50 minimum. If there were n100 boxes right now for $80 or $100 it would be worth bringing up but there aren't so why do people keep bringing them up? And who cares about windows when the first thing anybody is going to do is put Linux on it?
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threeclawsNov 01, 2023 05:01 AM
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Quote from HY-SD :
unless you actually need GPIO or have space constraint, it's a rather weak machine for that $80 money. But again, know your use-case and buy accordingly.
Pihole, octopi, homebridge, minuscule power requirements and it can fit in a tiny box on my printer. That's why I preordered one weeks ago. That doesn't change the fact that n100 boxes don't exist for <100 so what is the point of bringing them up?
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Quote from HY-SD :
yes the intel box consumes more power, but you're talking about 6W TDP for the N100 here, and that's very very low.

one will have to know their use-case. need GPIO? go SBC. just want a HTPC/emulation-beast/etc? the intel stuff is very much worth a look.

actually most of the N95/N100 systems have at least 8GB RAM. with SBCs you still need to buy a SD card, and a cheap SSD that you'd use with a mini PC is not that more expensive and runs miles faster.

and with SBCs, adding a case + power supply etc, the cost goes up.

the 8GB N100 boxes are routinely goes on sale for about $120-ish.
You missed the part where the original commenter was specifically talking about replacing services a Raspberry Pi would typically perform, in that a mini PC can easily run a Plex server, PiHole, etc.

If you're using a Raspberry Pi for the superfluous things you mentioned, you already know the limitations and, unfortunately, the N95/100 can't really excel in that department. In fact, there have been demos of the Rpi5 running Dolphin. What N100 can do that well?

The TDP you quoted is for the processor only. Very disingenuous.

As for the mini PCs on the market coming with RAM for free, show me one where that's the case.

The reality is that you can get an N95 barebones system for around the price you quoted only if you order it by boat or find a fluke discount. Then you have to source RAM and storage. A reasonable amount of RAM for these systems is 16GB, considering that they usually run DDR4 and support dual channel. If you're running them single slot, you're throwing away memory bandwidth. Currently, that's about $50. Throw in a 1TB SSD and you're looking at another $50.

So on average, your $120 system turns into a $220 (minimum) system with an idle wattage that will be a mystery until you get it all assembled and configured.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that there's some questionability around the BIOS that comes on these machines. Whereas, the Raspberry Pi bootloader is completely open source.
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Quote from stranger1999 :
Pi hole blocks all the links from slickdeals. Is there a fix?
Here's a workaround:
In most cases, the real uuencoded link is part of the blocked link. Extract the uuencoded link but throw away part starting with the first "&" and submit it to firefox. Firefox will return the good uudecoded link.
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Quote from threeclaws :
Pihole, octopi, homebridge, minuscule power requirements and it can fit in a tiny box on my printer. That's why I preordered one weeks ago. That doesn't change the fact that n100 boxes don't exist for
Because you missed my point about depend on use cases. You run Pihole, octopi, homebridge and they fit on a pi, great. Yet there are folks who want to do more like docker vm emulation beast etc, and only later regret because pi is too slow too little ram etc etc.

I never said it's universally better no matter the use case. In fact your $80 comes with zero storage and the N95/N100 usually comes with a SSD, and they are dangerously close in the final cost.
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Quote from HY-SD :
Because you missed my point about depend on use cases. You run Pihole, octopi, homebridge and they fit on a pi, great. Yet there are folks who want to do more like docker vm emulation beast etc, and only later regret because pi is too slow too little ram etc etc.

I never said it's universally better no matter the use case. In fact your $80 comes with zero storage and the N95/N100 usually comes with a SSD, and they are dangerously close in the final cost.
Quit with the false information.

None of the mini PCs for the price you're talking about come with RAM or storage. They're all barebones.
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
In fact, there have been demos of the Rpi5 running Dolphin. What N100 can do that well?
Now you're at the topic that I'm extremely familiar with.

YES IT CAN. And MORE. N100 (DDR5 variant) has been very much recommended by the Batocera community.

https://wiki.batocera.org/choose_...p_computer

It can do full-speed Wii at 2x native resolution, PS2 at 1.75x - 2x25x native resolution, OG xbox at 2x native resolution.

"Rpi5 running Dolphin", and not at full speed. Don't be fooled by those ETA Prime video titles. Watch the videos and see for yourself.

Quote from wherestheanykey :
The reality is that you can get an N95 barebones system for around the price you quoted only if you order it by boat or find a fluke discount. Then you have to source RAM and storage. A reasonable amount of RAM for these systems is 16GB, considering that they usually run DDR4 and support dual channel. If you're running them single slot, you're throwing away memory bandwidth. Currently, that's about $50. Throw in a 1TB SSD and you're looking at another $50.
To be honest I have no idea what you're talking about.

There's a "GMKtec Mini PC, Intel Alder Lake N100 Windows 11 Pro (3.4GHz), 8GB DDR4 RAM 256GB PCIe M.2 SSD, Desktop Computer 4K Dual HDMI Display/4x" at Amazon right now for $127, which runs circle around any SBC even at 8GB single channel. As it is it already absolute destroys Pi5 with respect to emulation.

"A reasonable amount of RAM for these systems is 16GB", to run what? Running Linux (just like you would on Pi) can easily get by with 8GB RAM.

"Throw in a 1TB SSD"...so how much is that 1TB SD card costing you with the Pi?
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Quote from wherestheanykey :
Quit with the false information.

None of the mini PCs for the price you're talking about come with RAM or storage. They're all barebones.
and quote me for freaking ONCE where i claimed you can get a $80 N100 with RAM and storage? just freaking ONCE PLEASE?

and oh, how much is a 8GB Pi 5 WITH A CASE and WITH THE POWER SUPPLY and WITH A 256GB SD CARD cost?

Quote from wherestheanykey :
And that's not even mentioning the fact that there's some questionability around the BIOS that comes on these machines.
sure, hack my Batocera box.
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Pihole works just fine until you need to disable it for a specific site for your loved ones. Then it's the biggest pitas and makes you regret ever setting one up. Never again will I do network wide blocking. Maybe things have changed now but I'm not going through the trouble again. Browser based ad-blocking is good enough.

Pihole is great if you're the sole user and have no attachments. Rest assured that your wags and kids will find sites they use that won't work with Pihole.
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Managed to get the beelink eq12 with 512GB + 16gb DDR5 ram for only $120, amazon lightning deal + coupon
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Quote from HY-SD :
Because you missed my point about depend on use cases. You run Pihole, octopi, homebridge and they fit on a pi, great. Yet there are folks who want to do more like docker vm emulation beast etc, and only later regret because pi is too slow too little ram etc etc.

I never said it's universally better no matter the use case. In fact your $80 comes with zero storage and the N95/N100 usually comes with a SSD, and they are dangerously close in the final cost.
Except nobody is asking to run VMs on a pi5 and if they were an 8gb n100 would be useless. You're in here recc. something for a use case no one asked for all to justify your purchase.

And a $5 32gb micro sd card is in no way getting the price dangerously close to a n100 8/256.
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Now you're at the topic that I'm extremely familiar with.

YES IT CAN. And MORE. N100 (DDR5 variant) has been very much recommended by the Batocera community.

https://wiki.batocera.org/choose_...p_computer

It can do full-speed Wii at 2x native resolution, PS2 at 1.75x - 2x25x native resolution, OG xbox at 2x native resolution.

"Rpi5 running Dolphin", and not at full speed. Don't be fooled by those ETA Prime video titles. Watch the videos and see for yourself.



To be honest I have no idea what you're talking about.

There's a "GMKtec Mini PC, Intel Alder Lake N100 Windows 11 Pro (3.4GHz), 8GB DDR4 RAM 256GB PCIe M.2 SSD, Desktop Computer 4K Dual HDMI Display/4x" at Amazon right now for $127, which runs circle around any SBC even at 8GB single channel. As it is it already absolute destroys Pi5 with respect to emulation.

"A reasonable amount of RAM for these systems is 16GB", to run what? Running Linux (just like you would on Pi) can easily get by with 8GB RAM.

"Throw in a 1TB SSD"...so how much is that 1TB SD card costing you with the Pi?
Provide a direct link or screenshot to that $127 N100 you're talking about.

What you will find is that sellers will put multiple SKUs under one listing because it's cheaper.

The base price you see before choosing any options is the BAREBONES MODEL.
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Quote from snowcrash :
Pihole works just fine until you need to disable it for a specific site for your loved ones. Then it's the biggest pitas and makes you regret ever setting one up. Never again will I do network wide blocking. Maybe things have changed now but I'm not going through the trouble again. Browser based ad-blocking is good enough.

Pihole is great if you're the sole user and have no attachments. Rest assured that your wags and kids will find sites they use that won't work with Pihole.
Browser based adblocking is great until you need to block ads on something that doesn't have browser based ad blocking but yes if someone needs access to ads, like if they work in marketing, you will have to change the dns for them which is fairly minor and I'd rather do it per device but that's me.

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Browser based adblocking is great until you need to block ads on something that doesn't have browser based ad blocking but yes if someone needs access to ads, like if they work in marketing, you will have to change the dns for them which is fairly minor and I'd rather do it per device but that's me.
To be fair, there's little that you can do for these devices anymore.

They all went to HTTPS for everything and you can't exactly install a certificate on a Roku TV.

For devices with more flexibility, the browser based blocking can at least remove the HTML elements. If PiHole could do that, you'd see it being sold in stores.
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