Brooks Men's Hyperion Max Running Shoes (Black/Yellow)

Dicks keeps slashing the price on thisshoe because no one wants it. If you're not in the know this shoe has been widely panned by runners. It's hardly spoken of anymore on r/RunningShoeGeeks because it was bombed so bad when it came out last year.

The Hyperion Max is a firm shoe with your basic generic nitrogen infused EVA midsole. There's no plate and no super foam. Despite this the brilliant people at Brooks, which is owned by billionaire Warren Buffett, decided to price this Sketchers knockoff at $170. Quite hilarious.

Brooks doesn't seem to have a good grasp at what's going on in run specialty. They're putting out shoes that use technology from 2014 and slapping 2023 price tags on them. In today's market $170 will buy you a Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, a high performance daily trainer that uses licensed Pebax foam from Arkema, a French based chemicals conglomerate. The company's Pebax is a type of TPE based foam known as PEBA. Not only does Saucony use Pebax but Nike too. The shoes that always take the podium at the world's major Marathons are always TPE based.

While Nike, Adidas, and Saucony are out here slaying with TPE based foams Brooks continues to live in the Stone age.

At this price point you should keep your eye out for a New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3. They discount down to $70 but can be had for $50 when coupons are applicable at Joe's New Balance but the inventory has dried up. Deals on select color ways should materialize by end of year as part of the holiday shopping season. The Rebel v3 uses a quasi super foam. While it might not be on par with TPE it's a noticable step up from EVA. The Rebel is light on foot, well ventilated, and the foam is squishy and springy.

This shoe gets a score of 89 (Great!) at RunRepeat and they say: "Exceptionally bouncy DNA Flash midsole" and "With its astonishingly light build and bouncy midsole that brings a spring to every step, the Brooks Hyperion Max truly offers an exceptional running experience that's good for all four seasons."

Full review here: https://runrepeat.com/brooks-hyperion-max

I'm not super experienced with Brooks personally as they're typically too narrow for me, but I see a lot of positive feedback from other runners about these. The main downside being the MSRP. If these weren't on the narrow side I'd pick up a pair for my rotation at this price point.

Dicks keeps slashing the price on thisshoe because no one wants it. If you're not in the know this shoe has been widely panned by runners. It's hardly spoken of anymore on r/RunningShoeGeeks because it was bombed so bad when it came out last year.

The Hyperion Max is a firm shoe with your basic generic nitrogen infused EVA midsole. There's no plate and no super foam. Despite this the brilliant people at Brooks, which is owned by billionaire Warren Buffett, decided to price this Sketchers knockoff at $170. Quite hilarious.

Brooks doesn't seem to have a good grasp at what's going on in run specialty. They're putting out shoes that use technology from 2014 and slapping 2023 price tags on them. In today's market $170 will buy you a Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, a high performance daily trainer that uses licensed Pebax foam from Arkema, a French based chemicals conglomerate. The company's Pebax is a type of TPE based foam known as PEBA. Not only does Saucony use Pebax but Nike too. The shoes that always take the podium at the world's major Marathons are always TPE based.

While Nike, Adidas, and Saucony are out here slaying with TPE based foams Brooks continues to live in the Stone age.

At this price point you should keep your eye out for a New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3. They discount down to $70 but can be had for $50 when coupons are applicable at Joe's New Balance but the inventory has dried up. Deals on select color ways should materialize by end of year as part of the holiday shopping season. The Rebel v3 uses a quasi super foam. While it might not be on par with TPE it's a noticable step up from EVA. The Rebel is light on foot, well ventilated, and the foam is squishy and springy.

Reread that quote from Runrepeat. It's a regurgitation of Brooks marketing points, not an impartial assessment of the shoe.

There's two side to Runrepeat. They do objective lab style testing that is used to create expanded specs for select shoes. But then there's the scoring system that is apparently based on subjective views from third parties.

I take Runrepeat's scoring with a grain of salt. The numbers are based on a partially arbitrary scoring system. They compile reviews on each shoe from socalled "pro" reviewers, people who make video shoe reviews (e.g. Ginger Runner) or operate websites (e.g. Believe in the Run). All of these sources are compromised by financial conflicts of interests. Basically they get free s*** in exchange for reviewing shoes and other running products. The website operators also earn through affiliate retail links and ad revenue from running brands. So these reviewers have an incentive to play up the positives and minimize the negatives of any shoe product. These socalled pro reviewers should be viewed as contract marketers for the shoe brands that operate on a pro quid quo basis, a favor for a favor.

Even more problematic is that in many cases Runrepeat creates own numerical scores for pro reviews by that don't provide a numerical score for a shoe. Some review sites use a education style grading system (e.g. Doctors of Running) of A, B, C, ect. The operators of Runrepeat then interpret those letter grades and assign them numerical scores that arbitrarily decided on.

Runrepeat also compiles user reviews from various retail websites. This poses another problem. Those reviews are often duplicated. Most retail store websites now commingle reviews from brand operated websites (e.g. brooksrunning.com) with reviews from their own customers. If you navigate to the review section on the Dick's page for the Hyperion Max there are 113 reviews. Underneath most of those reviews is a notice that reads "Originally posted on brooksrunning.com". That indicates that the review was copied from brooksrunning.com and duplicated on the Dick's webpage.

Runrepeat has some value in so far as listing specs, comparing specs between shoe models, and checking retail prices. Occasionally, they also cut and dissect shoes which can reveal some interesting details on a shoe's construction. When they perform in depth tests on a shoe's breathability and midsole durometer that can be helpful for making a purchase a decision. But their commentary is largely boiler plate.

How about Doctors of Running? A little more critical than run repeat perhaps, but overall a good review (B, B/B+, A-).

https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/...-2023.html

Definitely not supporting the idea that these are "widely panned by runners."

It's just another website publishes reviews to generate revenue. I think a couple of the guys on that site are physical therapists, not actual doctors.

I think there's more insight to be had by sifting through the discussions on the r/RunningShoeGeeks sub. When the Hyperion Max was first announced there was enthusiasm on that forum. When people finally got their hands on the shoes the vibe changed to "meh".

For people that want a firm snappy EVA shoe, the Asics Gel Noosa Tri is a good option. That's a better and more popular shoe than the Hyperion Max.

Dicks keeps slashing the price on thisshoe because no one wants it. If you're not in the know this shoe has been widely panned by runners. It's hardly spoken of anymore on r/RunningShoeGeeks because it was bombed so bad when it came out last year.

The Hyperion Max is a firm shoe with your basic generic nitrogen infused EVA midsole. There's no plate and no super foam. Despite this the brilliant people at Brooks, which is owned by billionaire Warren Buffett, decided to price this Sketchers knockoff at $170. Quite hilarious.

Brooks doesn't seem to have a good grasp at what's going on in run specialty. They're putting out shoes that use technology from 2014 and slapping 2023 price tags on them. In today's market $170 will buy you a Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, a high performance daily trainer that uses licensed Pebax foam from Arkema, a French based chemicals conglomerate. The company's Pebax is a type of TPE based foam known as PEBA. Not only does Saucony use Pebax but Nike too. The shoes that always take the podium at the world's major Marathons are always TPE based.

While Nike, Adidas, and Saucony are out here slaying with TPE based foams Brooks continues to live in the Stone age.

At this price point you should keep your eye out for a New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3. They discount down to $70 but can be had for $50 when coupons are applicable at Joe's New Balance but the inventory has dried up. Deals on select color ways should materialize by end of year as part of the holiday shopping season. The Rebel v3 uses a quasi super foam. While it might not be on par with TPE it's a noticable step up from EVA. The Rebel is light on foot, well ventilated, and the foam is squishy and springy.

Dicks keeps slashing the price on thisshoe because no one wants it. If you're not in the know this shoe has been widely panned by runners. It's hardly spoken of anymore on r/RunningShoeGeeks because it was bombed so bad when it came out last year.

The Hyperion Max is a firm shoe with your basic generic nitrogen infused EVA midsole. There's no plate and no super foam. Despite this the brilliant people at Brooks, which is owned by billionaire Warren Buffett, decided to price this Sketchers knockoff at $170. Quite hilarious.

Brooks doesn't seem to have a good grasp at what's going on in run specialty. They're putting out shoes that use technology from 2014 and slapping 2023 price tags on them. In today's market $170 will buy you a Saucony Endorphin Speed 3, a high performance daily trainer that uses licensed Pebax foam from Arkema, a French based chemicals conglomerate. The company's Pebax is a type of TPE based foam known as PEBA. Not only does Saucony use Pebax but Nike too. The shoes that always take the podium at the world's major Marathons are always TPE based.

While Nike, Adidas, and Saucony are out here slaying with TPE based foams Brooks continues to live in the Stone age.

At this price point you should keep your eye out for a New Balance Fuelcell Rebel v3. They discount down to $70 but can be had for $50 when coupons are applicable at Joe's New Balance but the inventory has dried up. Deals on select color ways should materialize by end of year as part of the holiday shopping season. The Rebel v3 uses a quasi super foam. While it might not be on par with TPE it's a noticable step up from EVA. The Rebel is light on foot, well ventilated, and the foam is squishy and springy.