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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver

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Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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Update: This popular deal is still available, now with $100 price drop (you may need to add to cart to see deal price).

Adorama has Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver on sale for $799. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Deal Editor iconian for finding this deal.

Note: You may need to add to cart to see deal price.

Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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Azrael_the_Cat
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I don't need to find an amp for you. Everything I stated is accurate.

Reference: 20yrs SMPS and amplifier design. put plenty of money in my mouth doing it too LOL.

also here is a short discussion on modern receiver power supplies and transformers that can bring you up to date: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...g.3165545/

finally, I didn't say what you are asking proof of. I didn't say any particular amp produced any particular power. I just said your perception of size and weight for a high powered amp were based upon 1980s assumptions and best practices. It isn't how amplifiers are designed today.

Have a good one.

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Nov 14, 2023 03:07 AM
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LEOMHK1.0Nov 14, 2023 03:07 AM
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9.2-Channel
120-watts/per channel

They sure know how to work them numbers..
If that were true this thing would weight a few hundred pounds and be about a yard wide
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Buckeyefan 1Nov 14, 2023 03:22 AM
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Quote from LEOMHK1.0 :
9.2-Channel
120-watts/per channel

They sure know how to work them numbers..
If that were true this thing would weight a few hundred pounds and be about a yard wide
This unit was bench tested with 2 channels driven and after 35 seconds, dropped to 20 watts due to a power limiting feature. The Onkyo RZ50 and some Integra's also do this. Sad. Gene at Audioholics also witnessed this and calls these circuits "receiver nannies." The good part is this has a decent preamp section. The bad, the amp is gimped if you want to drive demanding higher end speakers.
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LEOMHK1.0Nov 14, 2023 03:36 AM
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Quote from Buckeyefan 1 :
This unit was bench tested with 2 channels driven and after 35 seconds, dropped to 20 watts due to a power limiting feature. The Onkyo RZ50 and some Integra's also do this. Sad. Gene at Audioholics also witnessed this and calls these circuits "receiver nannies." The good part is this has a decent preamp section. The bad, the amp is gimped if you want to drive demanding higher end speakers.
....in the good old days when receivers were designed for sound & power that's how they looked in the inside.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/home-en...-new-ones/
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Azrael_the_CatNov 14, 2023 03:37 AM
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Quote from zevonangel :
They're the original Andrew Jones add ons and the frequency response starts at 150hz
I think you are misunderstanding the crossover in your speakers. You will still need the amps crossover to prevent overdriving those small speakers. The internal crossover is for between the woofer and tweeter, likely around 1-2khz.

You want the receiver crossover near or above the low end frequency response of the speakers (which you said was 150hz)
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Azrael_the_CatNov 14, 2023 03:41 AM
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Quote from LEOMHK1.0 :
9.2-Channel
120-watts/per channel

They sure know how to work them numbers..
If that were true this thing would weight a few hundred pounds and be about a yard wide
Incorrect, 1000 watts of audio power across multiple channels doesnt require 100lbs. That is 1980s thinking when all receivers had iron core transformers and class AB outputs. Switching power supplies can produce tremendous clean power rails at low size and weight (think about your 1000w computer power supply, same idea)
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JoeBellNov 14, 2023 03:45 AM
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Jump or wait on a deal for Rz50?

Think it goes to 999 or below before Christmas?

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Azrael_the_CatNov 14, 2023 03:47 AM
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Quote from LEOMHK1.0 :
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS...
By all means....provide a link of an amp that can truly delivery 9.2 channels at 120 W !!
I don't need to find an amp for you. Everything I stated is accurate.

Reference: 20yrs SMPS and amplifier design. put plenty of money in my mouth doing it too LOL.

also here is a short discussion on modern receiver power supplies and transformers that can bring you up to date: https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...g.3165545/

finally, I didn't say what you are asking proof of. I didn't say any particular amp produced any particular power. I just said your perception of size and weight for a high powered amp were based upon 1980s assumptions and best practices. It isn't how amplifiers are designed today.

Have a good one.
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Quote from Azrael_the_Cat :
Incorrect, 1000 watts of audio power across multiple channels doesnt require 100lbs. That is 1980s thinking when all receivers had iron core transformers and class AB outputs. Switching power supplies can produce tremendous clean power rails at low size and weight (think about your 1000w computer power supply, same idea)
Efficiency of linear power supply is ~60%. Switching power supply can approach 85%. A switching power supply is lighter, but it will cost more $ to build. To deliver 1000W continuous output, the input of the switching power supply must draw about 9.8A at 120 VAC. Very few receivers are rated for more than 650W input.

The FTC only regulates power output in stereo mode. That's why these units can get away with 2 ch stereo specs.
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Quote from eyesonly :
Can this do 5.2.4? It seems it can but wanted to make sure. What about 7.2.4? It suggests that it is possible with preamps but not sure what is the limitation requiring a preamp?
Also does anyone know if the sub outs can be calibrated individually or if it is just an internal y split terminal?

I have Denon s760h that I want to upgrade for Dirac and more channels. I integrated Denon into homeassistant but not sure if I can do the same with this? Does anyone know? It seems it uses Onkyo integration but wondering if it has bad quirks.

Thanks.
This can do 5.2.4, it will also do 7.2.4 but 10 & 11 have to be externally powered.
Like the RZ50 the channels are not fully assignable.

Like the RZ50 the two sub outs on this are mono so they will be treated as one.

This does include Dirac Live but does/will not support Dirac Live Bass Control.
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Quote from ikonoklast :
This Pioneer or Denon X3800H if the Denon goes on sale for $1000 again?



Speakers have passive filters built in so your speaker will be fine. The advantage of being able to set active filters on the receivers is that the receiver does not have to work as hard producing frequencies you don't want certain speakers to reproduce anyway.

Depending on how serious the sound, the passive filters on your speakers may be good enough sound wise. I wouldn't worry about damaging your speakers though.
Depends on wants/needs.

The 3800 has assignable channels, 4 independent sub outs, bass shaker compatibility, pre amp mode, Dirac Live & DLBC(next year) options & XT32 with new directional sub integration.

This does include Dirac Live and 15 watts more power.

Here is a full feature comparison of the two.

https://www.zkelectronics.com/com...vsx-lx505/
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Buckeyefan 1Nov 14, 2023 05:23 AM
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Quote from E4300 :
Efficiency of linear power supply is ~60%. Switching power supply can approach 85%. A switching power supply is lighter, but it will cost more $ to build. To deliver 1000W continuous output, the input of the switching power supply must draw about 9.8A at 120 VAC. Very few receivers are rated for more than 650W input.

The FTC only regulates power output in stereo mode. That's why these units can get away with 2 ch stereo specs.
If you're familiar with the Brazilian car amplifiers Taramps, you know the kind of power they are capable of. They are very efficient, small, and lightweight. I didn't believe it at first, until I purchased one. I kept on upgrading my power cable to the battery because it was never enough. I had to keep upgrading my sub because it couldn't handle the transient hits. But the one negative was the lowest end. It was loud, but the SQ was lacking compared to other older amplifiers I've had (AB). Similar to the effect you get using class D vs AB with home audio. You gain efficiency but at the expense of sound quality. It has improved a lot over the years. But it's still not there. I've got receivers from the late 70s to this generation. For tv and movies, modern AB units are great. For music, I still gravitate to the pre 1983 units. I like a little inefficiency, heat, and some throaty distortion. I have a pair of McIntosh XR14s that I've tried everything from modern flagship Denon and Onkyo, to 40 plus year old silver faced units. I've settled on a vintage JVC 100 watt 2 channel receiver to drive them. It gets the biggest smile every time.
Last edited by Buckeyefan 1 November 13, 2023 at 11:07 PM.
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cobelaliNov 14, 2023 05:58 AM
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Does this come with full range Dirac or up to 500 Hz only?
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java568Nov 14, 2023 05:59 AM
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Quote from supermanrob :
Depends on wants/needs.

The 3800 has assignable channels, 4 independent sub outs, bass shaker compatibility, pre amp mode, Dirac Live & DLBC(next year) options & XT32 with new directional sub integration.

This does include Dirac Live and 15 watts more power.

Here is a full feature comparison of the two.

https://www.zkelectronics.com/com...vsx-lx505/
Doesn't this have assignable channels? If not, can you help me understand what that means? Thank you.

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TheSchlafNov 14, 2023 06:14 AM
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Quote from eyesonly :
Can this do 5.2.4? It seems it can but wanted to make sure. What about 7.2.4? It suggests that it is possible with preamps but not sure what is the limitation requiring a preamp?
Also does anyone know if the sub outs can be calibrated individually or if it is just an internal y split terminal?

I have Denon s760h that I want to upgrade for Dirac and more channels. I integrated Denon into homeassistant but not sure if I can do the same with this? Does anyone know? It seems it uses Onkyo integration but wondering if it has bad quirks.

Thanks.
It can do 5.2.4, but if you want to do 7.2.4 you'll need an external amp for the last two channels. You don't need anything fancy. A FOSI v3 will do the trick.

This receiver it outputs the same sub signal out of both outputs. No individual sub calibration can be done.

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