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MPG Z690 Edge WiFi DDR4 + 1TB + 32GB DDR4 3200 + MAG A750GL PCIE5 + MPG Sekira 500P Case $400 + Free Shipping
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MSI [msi.com] has MPG Z690 Edge WiFi DDR4 + 1TB SSD + 32GB DDR4 3200 + MAG A750GL PCIE5 + MPG Sekira 500P Case on sale for $399.99. Shipping is free.
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- MSI MPG Z690 Edge WiFi DDR4 Gaming Motherboard
- 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200 Desktop Memory
- MPG Sekira 500P Mid-Tower Gaming Case
- 750W MSI MAG A750GL PCIE5 80 Plus Gold Power Supply
- 1TB MSI Spatium M371 PCIe Gen 3 NVMe M.2 Solid State Drive
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https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-s...-2-tb.d570 [techpowerup.com]
The msi spatium m371, the drive included in this deal, is in fact a qlc drive, and uses the phison E13T controller. The 210 tbw endurance rating for a 1tb drive should make it abundantly clear this isn't tlc without even needing to see any other specs. Here's the spec sheet for the m371, note how the specs and all the marketing for the m371 specifically describe the flash memory as "3d nand". https://storage-asset.msi.com/dat...Me-M.2.pdf
Can you build a pc yourself ? Not that difficult if you are able to follow youtube tutorial. Second, do you have a microcenter close to you ? If the answer is yes to both of these then build it yourself rather than a prebuilt.
Do you actually need a server platform for your work? If it'll primarily be running on a gpu and doesn't require specific cpu instruction sets not present on consumer cpu, then you can generally get away with using a consumer platform which is inordinately cheaper. Obviously on a consumer platform you have lower maximum memory capacity (with fewer channels), less pcie/ io, and no ecc memory (though some consumer boards and cpus can technically support ecc). If you can use a consumer cpu, but would benefit from avx 512 support, then you should get an amd ryzen zen 4 cpu. The latest intel cpus (12th gen and beyond) don't support avx 512.
Moving on to the gpu, unfortunately the current market offers a terrible value, particularly for ai work. Pro cards especially are obscenely expensive, and should only be purchased if you absolutely require the drivers and specific features offered by a professional card. For most ai applications vram capacity is immensely important, however high vram capacity cards suitable for ai work carry a massive premium.
Rdna 2 and below consumer amd cards should be disregarded for most ai work, they lack dedicated ai accelerators, don't have official rocm support, and obviously lack cuda. While I believe there are some workarounds to enable rocm on rdna2 consumer gpus, and the low price 16gb cards such as the 6800 are definitely tempting, it's probably not worth the effort.
Ampere (rtx 3000) nvidia consumer gpus support cuda and are decent for ai work from a computational standpoint, however the low vram capacities are absolutely crippling. Only the 3090 (or the overpriced 3090ti), with its 24gb of vram, is a good option for ai work. The next highest tier consumer card, the 3080ti, only has 12gb of vram which is obviously quite low for most ai work. If you can get a good deal on a used 3090, it may be a good option. Alternatively, if your budget is extremely low, you can find used 3080 10gb cards for around $330 on ebay. While 10gb of vram is obviously extremely low for ai work, better options are far more expensive.
Ada lovelace (rtx 4000) nvidia consumer gpus have the latest nvidia tensor cores for cuda and are very good for ai work, but once again low vram capacities are a huge issue. The only rtx 4000 card with more than 12gb of vram that costs less than $1150 is the 4060ti 16gb, which is an absolute joke of a card. The 4060ti 16gb is an astoundingly poor value since it costs $450 while having a massively cut down memory bus and and having extremely similar performance to the last gen 3060ti. If you require cuda for your ai work, and aren't looking to purchase a used 3090, your best bet is to wait for the nvidia "super" refresh in January. The 4070 ti super (stupid name, I know) is supposed to have 16gb of vram, and should actually offer decent performance. That being said, it'll still probably still be overpriced. Otherwise, the 4090 is obviously the most powerful consumer option on the market, but the price is insane. The 4080 and 4070ti are just an awful value period.
If you don't absolutely need cuda for your ai work, then the amd rdna3 7900xt or 7900xtx are probably the best value current gen options. The 7900xt costs around $700 on a good sale and has 20gb of vram, while the 7900xtx occasionally drops below $900 on a good sale and has 24gb of vram. Both the 7900xt and 7900xtx have official rocm + pytorch support for both linux and windows, lower tier rdna 3 cards do not. Rocm support on linux is significantly better compared to on windows, but if you mainly use windows you can always use the windows subsystem for linux. The much higher vram capacity in their price tier will allow the 7900xt and 7900xtx to run rings around their similarly priced nvidia competitors in vram heavy ai applications that are not beholden exclusively to cuda.
And no, laptops are usually not a good solution unless you need the portability and are ok with loud fan noise and heat while you play with huge excels.
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The msi spatium m371, the drive included in this deal, is in fact a qlc drive, and uses the phison E13T controller. The 210 tbw endurance rating for a 1tb drive should make it abundantly clear this isn't tlc without even needing to see any other specs. Here's the spec sheet for the m371, note how the specs and all the marketing for the m371 specifically describe the flash memory as "3d nand". https://storage-asset.msi.com/dat...Me-M.2.pdf [msi.com]
https://www.phison.com/en/solutio...13t-bgassd
https://www.phison.com/en/solutio...13t-bgassd [phison.com]
First, addressing your latest point about the controller, the PS5013-E13T was validated by phison for use with 3d qlc nand back in 2019. Here's an article: https://www.anandtech.c
Moving on to your claim about the msi spatium m371 and msi spatium m370 being "almost identical", this is absolutely untrue.
Here's the msi datasheet for the msi spatium m371: https://storage-asset.msi.com/dat...Me-M.2.pdf
And here's the datasheet for the msi spatium m370: https://storage-asset.msi.com/dat...Me-M.2.pdf
If you actually bothered to compare the spec sheets, you'll plainly see these are quite different drives. The max sequential speeds are different (though the difference isn't large), the random 4k iops are very different, the maximum operating powers are different, the available capacities are different, and, most importantly of all, the endurance rating in tbw are vastly different. The 1tb msi spatium m371, the drive in this deal, has an endurance of 210tbw. The 1tb msi spatium 370, the drive you are claiming is the "almost identical" to the drive in this deal, has an endurance of 800tbw. The fact the m370 has nearly four times the endurance rating of the m371 should make it abundantly clear that the m371 is qlc. The specific nand the m371 uses is intel 96 layer qlc nand according to this page: https://www.hardware-corner.net/s.../MSI-M371/
Please edit your posts to indicate the fact the m371 is in fact a qlc drive, as I'd like to hope you aren't intentionally trying to mislead people. In the future, please do research before making such claims.
The motherboard is a midrange last gen ddr4 lga 1700 board (admittedly the z790 chipset is only a marginal improvement). It does have some nice features, such as a pcie gen 5 x16 primary slot (all other pcie slots are gen 3), four gen 4 m.2 slots, and a high end audio chip. However, other features are somewhat outdated, and you can get a ddr5 z690 motherboard of relatively comparable quality for around $130 on a good sale. Getting a ddr4 board for a new intel build makes absolutely no sense, especially considering how cheap ddr5 has gotten. Overall, the motherboard is worth no more than $130, and that's assuming you're willing to neuter your new build on a dead end platform by using ddr4.
Here's a link to the motherboard spec page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/M...cification
And here's a link to hardware unboxed comparing ddr4 to ddr5 in gaming performance, since I know people will come in here and say there's no point in going ddr5 for a new build: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYqpr4X
The 1tb msi spatium m371 ssd is absolute bottom tier, it's pcie gen3, uses low quality qlc nand flash (poor speed and reliability, extremely low endurance), has no dram, and uses an old low performance gen 3 controller. There are $35 1tb ssd options (such as the intel 670p or preferably the solidigm p41 plus) available that will absolutely crush this drive in terms of both reliability and performance. Realistically speaking the ssd is worth less than $30.
No additional information (such as timings or model) is given about the ram, but 32gb of decent quality ddr4 3200 goes for $55 or less. If this is cl22 or worse there have been sales on comparable ram as low as $46.
The msi mag A750GL power supply is on sale from multiple retailers at $80. I can't find any professional reviews of this 750w version, but the 850w version shows competent but not exceptional performance. Realistically speaking the power supply is probably worth around $75. Here's a review of the 850w version: https://hwbusters.com/psus/msi-ma...su-review/
The MPG Sekira 500P case has excellent aesthetics, comes with several fans, provides decent cable management, and is of overall good quality. However, reviews indicate the actual airflow and acoustic performance are somewhat low in it's pricerange compared to other options. It's currently on sale from multiple retailers for $110, but disregarding aesthetics there are fairly competitive options that occasionally go on sale around $80.
Tallying up the value for the components:
$130 motherboard (not desirable due to being ddr4)
$30 ssd (low quality and poor value, extremely low endurance, not desirable as a boot drive or for anything except static data storage)
$55 ram (midrange ddr4, once again not desirable, $55 is assuming it's got good timings)
$75 psu (might as well spend a bit more to get a 1000w for a new build)
$100 case (assuming a premium for aesthetics and number of fans included, but if functionality is your primary concern you can get $80 cases with better airflow)
Total value is somewhere around $390 (lower than the $400 cost of this bundle), and you're making tons of compromises. If you wait for good sales, for the same $400 you could build a system with: a similar quality ddr5 motherboard, a significantly better ssd, decent quality ddr5, a similar psu, and a cheaper but functionally similar or superior case. Spending a bit more could get you a good 1000w+ psu (highly recommended for a new build) and high end ddr5. Also, if you live near a Microcenter, when they put their component bundles on sale they're a far better value than this. At $400 this really isn't a good deal.
Edit: A certain individual in this thread has incorrectly claimed multiple times that the msi spatium m371 is a tlc drive rather than a qlc drive. If you have any doubts please refer to the two replies I have given them in this thread, especially this second one: https://slickdeals.net/f/17181775-mpg-z690-edge-wifi-ddr4-1tb-32gb-ddr4-3200-mag-a750gl-pcie5-mpg-sekira-500p-case-400-free-shipping?p=1682
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