These frames are super mass produced under a variety of brand names, there is nothing particularly special about these frames. That being said I am a huge fan of these because they are actually repairable and upgradeable.. The standardized headset, BB, and Disc brakes make this IMO a solid buy at this price. If you want to upgrade you can get some Shimano hydraulic brakes for $40. If suspension is a concern you can throw on a $50-60 Suntour NCX suspension seatpost to help out there. Other than that I wouldn't touch much else.
If you have some mechanical inclination buy the H1 model for $50 less and throw a 9/10 Speed Shimano CUES on it for an extra $70-90.
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After reading through countless shitty bike threads over the past few weeks, I think this might be the shitty bike for me.
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Just be mindful that Mezzo supports 36t rear cog max, so your 9 speed cassette shouldn't exceed that. With that if they have upgraded to hydraulic brakes $40 extra makes sense. Kudos for tracking it down. Cheapest MT200 is around $30/set, but you will need mineral oil and a basic bleed kit to cut the hoses. Also getting 9 speed vs 8 is worth something, even if the cassette ranges 11-34t are identical. With that you get a bike in an obnoxious red color vs pretty black
Both RDs support the same range, so there isn't really a viable upgrade path for either without changing cassette, RD, and maybe shifter which is easily going to be $40 or more.
I kind of prefer the red color and the brake and 9spd upgrades seem worth the $40 to me. I'm just looking for something to do with the 9 bafang kits I bought and these bikes seem like the best deal right now, but not sure if I want to downgrade the hydraulic brakes on the H2 or buy the necessary sensors.
Just curious, how difficult/expensive is bleeding hydraulic brakes? I've only ever had rim brakes so I'm sure even just the mechanical discs will be a big improvement and I'm not going to be doing anything remotely involved. Plus I really hate the red...
Now to find something decent for my 11-year-old, too bad 24" bikes are so expensive comparatively...
Just curious, how difficult/expensive is bleeding hydraulic brakes? I've only ever had rim brakes so I'm sure even just the mechanical discs will be a big improvement and I'm not going to be doing anything remotely involved. Plus I really hate the red...
Now to find something decent for my 11-year-old, too bad 24" bikes are so expensive comparatively...
I have a few bikes with hydraulic brakes - both disc and magura rim - and they've never been bled since new - maybe 5-10+ years. I have 2 other bikes that got upgraded to 1x11 drivetrains last year for local trails and I picked up a $5 brake bleed kit from temu. Did them both at the end of last year - took maybe 10 minutes - I plan to do them at least once a year as they see much harder use than the others.
If you just ride casually, you may never need to do anything other than make adjustments as the pads wear. In my opinion, the hydraulic brakes (especially 2/4 piston) feel better/stronger than mechnical. If you aren't very handy, no shame in going with the mechanicals for ease of use/maintenance.
I never bought 24" bikes for my kids. Just get a 26" wheeled bike with appropriate frame size for your kids height. You may even want to consider the womens frame with the angled top tube.
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Anyone know if the assembly is easy enough for a novice?
Look, these bikes come like 90% assembled in the box. Anyone with some common sense can finish the assembly. However, fine tuning everything can be tricky and time consuming for a novice, but that doesn't mean you can't learn and figure it out. Here are those "tricky" things that really should be done to optimize performance and durability:
1) Grease headset. Will require removing the stem, spacers, and headset, applying grease, then reassemble.
2) Adjust wheel hub bearing tension. This will require a couple spanner wrenches, and for the rear, you may also need to remove the cassette (you will need a chain whip and cassette tool) to access the nuts on the hub.
3) Align brake calipers and adjust cable tension and inner pad proximity.
4) Adjust rear derailleur. Set H/L limit screws, B-screw, and finally cable tension. It would be wise to check the derailleur hanger alignment first, as hangers are known to get a little bent in packaging/shipping.
5) Check/adjust wheels to true.
These are all the things that any reputable private bike shop will do on every new bike they take out of the box. Doing everything properly takes about an hour or so. This labor gets "included" in the price when you buy from a good bike shop, which is part of the reason they cost more, compared to "direct to consumer" or "big box store" cycles. Figure about $80 labor for typical new bike setup.
These bikes posted here are a great value (I ordered one for my son/wife), but you need to be willing to do all the stuff I listed above, or pay someone to do it for you. If not, your experience is going to suck, but that's not the fault of the bike.
For causal riding around the streets with the kids what would be a better purchase between this bike and the GT from Dicks that shows up on the forum?
I went with these for a few reasons. Mens H2 XL... Womens H2 Med.
My reasons... And I am no expert.
1. Price
2. Seems to accept standard parts for upgrades and tweaks
3. Cables (some) are routed inside the frame vs across the middle bar. Easier for putting on a hitch bike rack saddle.
4. Did I mention cost?
5. Single gear up front vs 3 gears. Simplicity - less stuff to get out of alignment.
6. I'd rather assemble myself - cause I am picky and dont trust others to do a careful job.
I am concerned about buying unseen bike.
I am concerned about sizing for me - I technically fit in the 'L' range... but I have long legs and arms. I hope I don't regret the XL.
H1 has Microshift Mezzo plastic/metal RD. Shimano Altus equivalent
H2 has Microshift Marvo all metal RD. Shimano Alivio equivalent.
These are all low end components. In Shimano speak, Tourney is the bottom of their low end, Altus/Acera is middle of their low end, and Alivio would be the top of their low end component sets.
If you kept the lower tier Mezzo RD from the H1 and upgraded to a 9spd cassette and 9spd shifter, it would likely cost you close to $40 or more.
With the difference only being $40 with the coupon, I would opt for the H2 personally.
The thing about these bikes is that the 8-speed and 9-speed cassettes have the same gear range. You'd think that they'd have increased the gear range on the H2 since there is an added gear. As it is, both bikes will pedal almost identical (in terms of effort), and I'd guess that most people would not notice the difference of one less gear in the middle. I haven't used these particular derailleurs… Perhaps the shifting will be smoother with the 9-speed… at least I'd hope so for the increase in cost.
I went with these for a few reasons. Mens H2 XL... Womens H2 Med.
My reasons... And I am no expert.
1. Price
2. Seems to accept standard parts for upgrades and tweaks
3. Cables (some) are routed inside the frame vs across the middle bar. Easier for putting on a hitch bike rack saddle.
4. Did I mention cost?
5. Single gear up front vs 3 gears. Simplicity - less stuff to get out of alignment.
6. I'd rather assemble myself - cause I am picky and dont trust others to do a careful job.
I am concerned about buying unseen bike.
I am concerned about sizing for me - I technically fit in the 'L' range... but I have long legs and arms. I hope I don't regret the XL.
I am concerned about shipping damage.
I need to order kick stands .
I tend to agree with what you said here. Since I don't have the tools nor expertise I'd probably use a bike shop for the fine tuning. Do you have a bike stand that you'd recommend? Thanks
I tend to agree with what you said here. Since I don't have the tools nor expertise I'd probably use a bike shop for the fine tuning. Do you have a bike stand that you'd recommend? Thanks
No. I use a piece cardboard - and I put bike upside down balanced on seat and handlebars so I can crank pedals and cycle gears to tune. I am no expert.
Download the manual and take a look.
I feel they explain the setup/tuning pretty decent. Made me feel - i can do this! Plus as stated above - single gear in front means only the rear changes (9 speed)... Should be less complex?
I'll drop a review/impression once I get them setup. Since reviews seem rare for this bike.
Im hopeful - but also know this is a $200 bike - keeping my expectations in check.
For causal riding around the streets with the kids what would be a better purchase between this bike and the GT from Dicks that shows up on the forum?
These bikes are better for that stated purpose. Suspension fork is pretty pointless if you are not regularly riding offroad or on very rough surfaces. It just adds weights and another potential failure point, especially being a cheaper model. The mountain bike tires will create more drag on pavement. I'm not a fan of triple cranksets these days, since wide range cassettes are now plentiful and relatively inexpensive. However, if you are intending to ride a fair amount offroad, the GT is a much better platform for that. I bought the GT last year and upgraded it for offroad trails, so I'm very familiar with it.
This is exactly the same bike as the Giordano H2 (can find threads about it from last year). I bought it last year and it comes horribly assembled from the factory. I strongly recommend you take it to a bike shop and have it tuned / properly assembled. My local shop charged me $50 to do this but it was 100% worth it as out of the box it would not shift properly and wasn't smooth at all. After the tune it was a pretty solid bike for the price, but I felt like I reached the limits of it pretty quickly and will probably upgrade this year to something with a carbon fork.
No. I use a piece cardboard - and I put bike upside down balanced on seat and handlebars so I can crank pedals and cycle gears to tune. I am no expert.
Download the manual and take a look.
I feel they explain the setup/tuning pretty decent. Made me feel - i can do this! Plus as stated above - single gear in front means only the rear changes (9 speed)... Should be less complex?
I'll drop a review/impression once I get them setup. Since reviews seem rare for this bike.
Im hopeful - but also know this is a $200 bike - keeping my expectations in check.
Oh sorry, I thought you meant a kickstand to prop the bike if you stop somewhere with it on a ride.
I agree this bike is simpler than other ones so hopefully it's a easier set up and maintenance.
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If you have some mechanical inclination buy the H1 model for $50 less and throw a 9/10 Speed Shimano CUES on it for an extra $70-90.
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I kind of prefer the red color and the brake and 9spd upgrades seem worth the $40 to me. I'm just looking for something to do with the 9 bafang kits I bought and these bikes seem like the best deal right now, but not sure if I want to downgrade the hydraulic brakes on the H2 or buy the necessary sensors.
Now to find something decent for my 11-year-old, too bad 24" bikes are so expensive comparatively...
Now to find something decent for my 11-year-old, too bad 24" bikes are so expensive comparatively...
If you just ride casually, you may never need to do anything other than make adjustments as the pads wear. In my opinion, the hydraulic brakes (especially 2/4 piston) feel better/stronger than mechnical. If you aren't very handy, no shame in going with the mechanicals for ease of use/maintenance.
I never bought 24" bikes for my kids. Just get a 26" wheeled bike with appropriate frame size for your kids height. You may even want to consider the womens frame with the angled top tube.
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1) Grease headset. Will require removing the stem, spacers, and headset, applying grease, then reassemble.
2) Adjust wheel hub bearing tension. This will require a couple spanner wrenches, and for the rear, you may also need to remove the cassette (you will need a chain whip and cassette tool) to access the nuts on the hub.
3) Align brake calipers and adjust cable tension and inner pad proximity.
4) Adjust rear derailleur. Set H/L limit screws, B-screw, and finally cable tension. It would be wise to check the derailleur hanger alignment first, as hangers are known to get a little bent in packaging/shipping.
5) Check/adjust wheels to true.
These are all the things that any reputable private bike shop will do on every new bike they take out of the box. Doing everything properly takes about an hour or so. This labor gets "included" in the price when you buy from a good bike shop, which is part of the reason they cost more, compared to "direct to consumer" or "big box store" cycles. Figure about $80 labor for typical new bike setup.
These bikes posted here are a great value (I ordered one for my son/wife), but you need to be willing to do all the stuff I listed above, or pay someone to do it for you. If not, your experience is going to suck, but that's not the fault of the bike.
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I went with these for a few reasons. Mens H2 XL... Womens H2 Med.
My reasons... And I am no expert.
1. Price
2. Seems to accept standard parts for upgrades and tweaks
3. Cables (some) are routed inside the frame vs across the middle bar. Easier for putting on a hitch bike rack saddle.
4. Did I mention cost?
5. Single gear up front vs 3 gears. Simplicity - less stuff to get out of alignment.
6. I'd rather assemble myself - cause I am picky and dont trust others to do a careful job.
I am concerned about buying unseen bike.
I am concerned about sizing for me - I technically fit in the 'L' range... but I have long legs and arms. I hope I don't regret the XL.
I am concerned about shipping damage.
I need to order kick stands
H2 has Microshift Marvo all metal RD. Shimano Alivio equivalent.
These are all low end components. In Shimano speak, Tourney is the bottom of their low end, Altus/Acera is middle of their low end, and Alivio would be the top of their low end component sets.
If you kept the lower tier Mezzo RD from the H1 and upgraded to a 9spd cassette and 9spd shifter, it would likely cost you close to $40 or more.
With the difference only being $40 with the coupon, I would opt for the H2 personally.
My reasons... And I am no expert.
1. Price
2. Seems to accept standard parts for upgrades and tweaks
3. Cables (some) are routed inside the frame vs across the middle bar. Easier for putting on a hitch bike rack saddle.
4. Did I mention cost?
5. Single gear up front vs 3 gears. Simplicity - less stuff to get out of alignment.
6. I'd rather assemble myself - cause I am picky and dont trust others to do a careful job.
I am concerned about buying unseen bike.
I am concerned about sizing for me - I technically fit in the 'L' range... but I have long legs and arms. I hope I don't regret the XL.
I am concerned about shipping damage.
I need to order kick stands
I tend to agree with what you said here. Since I don't have the tools nor expertise I'd probably use a bike shop for the fine tuning. Do you have a bike stand that you'd recommend? Thanks
No. I use a piece cardboard - and I put bike upside down balanced on seat and handlebars so I can crank pedals and cycle gears to tune. I am no expert.
Download the manual and take a look.
I feel they explain the setup/tuning pretty decent. Made me feel - i can do this! Plus as stated above - single gear in front means only the rear changes (9 speed)... Should be less complex?
I'll drop a review/impression once I get them setup. Since reviews seem rare for this bike.
Im hopeful - but also know this is a $200 bike - keeping my expectations in check.
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Download the manual and take a look.
I feel they explain the setup/tuning pretty decent. Made me feel - i can do this! Plus as stated above - single gear in front means only the rear changes (9 speed)... Should be less complex?
I'll drop a review/impression once I get them setup. Since reviews seem rare for this bike.
Im hopeful - but also know this is a $200 bike - keeping my expectations in check.
I agree this bike is simpler than other ones so hopefully it's a easier set up and maintenance.
Thanks