"Yes, standard Dirac Live has always corrected the subwoofer response, taking advantage of the AVR's Bass Management."
expiredfourml8r posted Mar 27, 2024 07:08 PM
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expiredfourml8r posted Mar 27, 2024 07:08 PM
Onkyo TX-RZ50 9.2-Channel THX Certified AV Receiver (Factory Refurbished)
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I have to say VERY impressed for a midrange receiver.
Even in a smaller room with some bookshelf and satellite old Mirage speakers Dirac RC sounds good.
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You would need to get Dirac Live Bass Control which this does not offer.
Having experience with both of Dirac's RCs, Dirac's description of what DLBC offers is spot on: https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
If you're looking to upgrade your RC you have the option of Audyssey's Editor App for $20(must have imo).
MultiEQ-X for $199($150 on sale) this gives you all the capabilities of Dirac.
Just recently OCA came out with Audyssey One script!
Pretty impressive and can be a game changer especially since you only need Editor App & REW which is free!
The target curves (Either done manually or uploaded) can be edited easily to help correct any bass response / room issues. It should provide better results than Audyssey does since Dirac works in two domains (Audyssey only works in one domain)
I have to say VERY impressed for a midrange receiver.
Even in a smaller room with some bookshelf and satellite old Mirage speakers Dirac RC sounds good.
Please see attached screenshot using Dirac on an RZ50, integrating fronts and a sub.
Please see attached screenshot using Dirac on an RZ50, integrating fronts and a sub.
https://www.dirac.com/live/home-a...io-lovers/
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
https://www.dirac.com/live/home-a...io-lovers/
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-control/
Please refer to my screenshot to see Dirac in action, with a sub, on the RZ50.
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I knew the amp/power supply was not this units strong point. Its as if they built it to be a be prepro if you were going to run more power hungry speakers or listen at reference levels.
The 28lbs of the unit somewhat gives that away.
Otherwise I assume they think you will step to the RZ70( or its Integra twin) and get the much more powerful amp/power supply and better DACs
Both units, IMO, are stellar picks even at their MSRP
For me it was 100% impulse buy. I was trolling the Best Buy outlet in Cincinnati, when I was there working for a few days. I saw this unit(and its price) and thought how could I go wrong.
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For those of you who aren't using an external amp with the RZ50, you might as well go with the TX-NR7100 instead and save $200.
Please refer to my screenshot to see Dirac in action, with a sub, on the RZ50.
If you read, Dirac Live does not say it offers ANY of its Bass Control or Bass Management RC.
Per the 2nd link, some snip it's:
"Optimizing a sound system's magnitude and phase response is especially crucial in the range of frequencies near the subwoofers' upper limit. This "crossover point" is where the output of different speaker types overlap and can result in wide variations in magnitude and phase at various locations in space. Any solution to correct these issues must consider variables such as the shape of the room, location and direction of each speaker, reflective or obstructive surfaces, and multiple observation points to ensure consistent performance throughout the space."
"Historically, room correction tools have been developed to optimize full-range speakers. They have offered little support for subwoofers and bass control other than equalization, which mitigates but doesn't solve the problem."
If you believe that graph means Dirac Live is optimizing/integrating your "subwoofer(s)" into your speakers and provides bass management, that is completely your prerogative, not debating that.
I'm just pointing out that Dirac says it's not, I just agree with them.
If you read, Dirac Live does not say it offers ANY of its Bass Control or Bass Management RC.
Per the 2nd link, some snip it's:
"Optimizing a sound system's magnitude and phase response is especially crucial in the range of frequencies near the subwoofers' upper limit. This "crossover point" is where the output of different speaker types overlap and can result in wide variations in magnitude and phase at various locations in space. Any solution to correct these issues must consider variables such as the shape of the room, location and direction of each speaker, reflective or obstructive surfaces, and multiple observation points to ensure consistent performance throughout the space."
"Historically, room correction tools have been developed to optimize full-range speakers. They have offered little support for subwoofers and bass control other than equalization, which mitigates but doesn't solve the problem."
If you believe that graph means Dirac Live is optimizing/integrating your "subwoofer(s)" into your speakers and provides bass management, that is completely your prerogative, not debating that.
I'm just pointing out that Dirac says it's not, I just agree with them.
But it does have a limitation though: Dirac Live groups multiple subs into one sub, when calibrating gain / distance (delay). For most of us that have only one sub, that's not an issue. It could be an issue if you have more than one.
For the price point for sound quality this unit is VERY solid
I bought one and I have no complaints.
But it does have a limitation though: Dirac Live groups multiple subs into one sub, when calibrating gain / distance (delay). For most of us that have only one sub, that's not an issue. It could be an issue if you have more than one.
As you can see it wasn't my statement, Dirac themselves says Dirac Live DOES NOT include ANY of their "Bass Management" RC.
For more information Dirac offers a "single" version of DLBC & a "multiple" version.
If DLBC was included in Dirac Live there would be no need for the "single" version imo.
People can just read Dirac's links I provided to inform themselves.
DIrac, to my ears , has more clarity in the center channel, separation of sound and nuance in the small sound effects that Audyssey doesnt have.
I still own one last Audyssey equipped unit..the Marantz 7015
My seat of the pants impression is that the Onkyo RZ50 sounds better than the Marantz 7015
My Marantz 7015....which has been replaced under warranty by Denon/Marantz...is gone as well if I find a great deal on an Onkyo RZ70
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