Participating Subaru Dealerships [
dealership locator] have
2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to
Lease at
$241/month for
36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.
Thanks to community member
KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
- Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
- All-wheel-drive electric crossover
- Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
- Range: 228 miles
- 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
- 8.3" of ground clearance
- Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform
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And a lot of EV hate here. Anyhow, 4.5 hours through the snow and R2 conditions in the mountains cost me about 70% (assume kWH) to drive 250 miles. Passed two cyber trucks as well.
Assuming a $0.135 kWh cost that would be about 3.57 miles per kilowatt, or $0.037 miles per gallon. Because I've done this run 50+ times, it's about 110 kWh for 500 miles about $0.18 kWh - or about $0.04 a mile.
Assume 500 miles, and getting 25 MPG. That's 20 gallons or $80 if you were getting it at $4/gallon. Savings can be derived at $60 bucks for every 500 miles driven. Costco executive membership saves you a few percentage, and you can buy in places that charge less (putting it into cans and driving it)
Tires are going to wear out for every car. Sorry. But you can measure how much you lose by the tread wear starting at whatever (16/32) and down to even 2/32nd. Tires weigh about 40-50 lbs and that is not all going up in smoke. Larger tires for SUVs will wear about 50-60K as fast as a Tesla can. They also cost about the same (I run three different brands depending on conditions and nothing "Tesla" special but tire rack and 1010 tires). So the false study (yeah, read it) ignores lots of other factors like tail pipe emissions (gallon of gas weighs 6.6 gallons so that's 125 lbs of emissions per 20 gallons - unless you don't consider CO2 nor CO an issue, then you're not an environmentalist)
I've done the same runs on lighter vehicles (R1200GS getting 40 MPG, about the same as a KTM 500 EXC) and you just burn through tires faster though you save on fuel. You can also fly, that's about 130 NM and about the same fuel economy as a SUV, 15 MPG with a IO360 engine.
TL;DR unless you have the need to haul lumber or people, an EV is going to cover a lot of the bases. Otherwise, buy an AWD Sienna or Chrysler T&C so you can put a full sheet of plywood there.
I stand by my comments. MOdel Y best bang for your buck for ALL cars. Tesla mass producing the best selling car and prices are hitting 36-37k pre taxes and fees for LR version. Unbeatable value. Facts.
If you looked at cost per mile first 2 years ago and bought a Tesla Model 3, you'd be burnt by depreciation and price decreases now. The cost of electricity may be less variable, but the cost of EVs is a lot more variable for likely at least another 5+ years. The average vehicle ownership length is 8 years and by year 8, a Tesla Model 3 will likely have depreciated by 50% or $30k. The Corolla I bought about 10 years ago has depreciated about 33-38% or $5.5k.
Although insurance premium will be higher for Tesla at the moment for certain households.
quite surprised at so much discussion
for a car/deal that isnt even available
but carry on
I stand by my comments. MOdel Y best bang for your buck for ALL cars. Tesla mass producing the best selling car and prices are hitting 36-37k pre taxes and fees for LR version. Unbeatable value. Facts.
Which is a freaking great deal for consumers
Cost of electricity 13.5c per kwh. Miles driven in EV 18000. Miles per kwh was an average of 4 seasons of driving ~4.7 miles per kwh. I am using $13 for 470 miles. With gas cost of an average of $4 and a gas sedan giving roughly 24-25 miles per gallon of gas with city driving only, we get $80 of gas for every 480-500 miles of driving. Driving about 1500 miles per month the difference between a Gas ICE sedan vs an EV sedan is about $60 per 500 miles on the low side. Hence, save $180 per month (again on the low side) even without the PV Solar panels. When you add the PV solar to the calculation above I am not even paying those $13 per 500 miles of driving (or $39 per 1500 miles).
Hence, for everyone speculating, contesting and arguing here on EV - if you are on SlickDeals then you are here to save money. The above calculation clearly shows an EV can be the biggest saving in your monthly bills if you use it exclusively to drive in the city and if you exclusively charge at home. BTW- most places the electricity is way more expensive so your savings can easily be over $4000 to $5000 per year easily paying for your Solar panels on the roof within 3-4 years. It is also the greenest way of driving since you are not using the Grid electricity generated via Coal or Natural gas. Instead you use the Sun to charge and drive your EV.
"Just get PV" - OK then how do we allocate the cost of PV? It's not free. I myself have a solar system, haven't even gone an entire year yet, but it was sized for around 95% of my trailing 12 months' actual usage (I was told that I could not install above 105% by law, likely a state thing). I am tracking it and hoping it overproduces, and actually thought about getting a "second car" EV to take advantage of that overproduction. The problem is that "second car" no matter what it is or how much it costs to drive, will cost on the order of $2000 just to keep insurance, reg and taxes - and that's a hell of a lot of power to be eating through - BEFORE we even talk about a payment. (FWIW, $2k is around 28k miles of driving at 4kwh/mile)
Lastly, your case seems to be an outlier:
- your electricity cost (grid) is lower than the national average by about 10%
- your gas cost is higher than the national average by around 10%
- you drive a lot more miles than the average person by ~ 30%
- the MPG on your "gas sedan" is laughably low. I get BETTER than that in my Pilot which is the largest SUV Honda makes. A comparably-sized ICE (to any Tesla) will probably get mid-to-high 30's MPG.
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Once you have the numbers then you can legitimately post whatever you want.
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Overnight for me is 10-13 hours as I plug in when I get home from work and unplug when I drop my kid to school. On a 15A circuit my car reports it is charging at 1.2kW. Driving around town in Atlanta I get around 4mi/kW. So 10x1.2x4=48 miles. Anecdotally, I typically recover around 20% SoC overnight which tracks with those numbers, it's closer to 40 miles in the winter and closer to 60 in the other seasons. I don't know where Tesla gets the 2-3 miles per hour figure, but that sounds extremely conservative, keep in mind that Tesla also sells L2 chargers. My numbers are with a Kia Niro EV and the Kia EVSE, it's possible that Tesla limits the current in their L1 EVSE such that it can only charge 2-3 miles per hour, for me it's more like 4-5 miles per hour.
I'm on a Georgia SmartPower plan where my off peak rate is $ 0.012 per kW (https://www.georgiapowe
It's hard to tell from that pdf… also looks like there's a daily fee, then some 10$ fee per kW. I'm not familiar with this billing structure.
"Just get PV" - OK then how do we allocate the cost of PV? It's not free. I myself have a solar system, haven't even gone an entire year yet, but it was sized for around 95% of my trailing 12 months' actual usage (I was told that I could not install above 105% by law, likely a state thing). I am tracking it and hoping it overproduces, and actually thought about getting a "second car" EV to take advantage of that overproduction. The problem is that "second car" no matter what it is or how much it costs to drive, will cost on the order of $2000 just to keep insurance, reg and taxes - and that's a hell of a lot of power to be eating through - BEFORE we even talk about a payment. (FWIW, $2k is around 28k miles of driving at 4kwh/mile)
Lastly, your case seems to be an outlier:
- your electricity cost (grid) is lower than the national average by about 10%
- your gas cost is higher than the national average by around 10%
- you drive a lot more miles than the average person by ~ 30%
- the MPG on your "gas sedan" is laughably low. I get BETTER than that in my Pilot which is the largest SUV Honda makes. A comparably-sized ICE (to any Tesla) will probably get mid-to-high 30's MPG.
I will recover my Solar Panel cost in 3.5 years. Beyond that I will drive for free and I will not have much home electricity cost. I know people who got a smaller PV system than me for over twice the cost that I paid because they did not know any better and just went with whoever showed up on their door. Since then I have educated and guided several of my friends into installing Solar PV systems and everyone who has an EV will recover in 4 to 5 years depending on their total miles driven.
AND NO, my use case is not an outlier by any means. With regards to your other bullet points (The mileage you state for a 7 seater SUV is clearly incorrrect) - the cost of gas in 2023 was about ~$4 on an average. The cost has just gone down in the last 3 to 6 months. The MPG of a gas car within the local roads is still about 25 mpg for a sedan. So definitely did not over or under estimate. My insurance for my Nissan Leaf is less than $200 every 6 months since the car is paid off and I only have liability coverage. So if you are talking about insuring a Ferrari for $2000 per year then we clearly are talking different languages here. And lastly, my Leaf gives me 5 to 5.2 miles/kwh in spring and fall with milder weather vs 4.2 to 4.6 in summer/winter. I calculated an average of 4.7 miles/kwh, so even that part I got right.
The only part you got right was that I drive a lot and that is because I have many local chores, drop offs, pickups and daily commute. So for an average person that drives less one can reduce the savings from $2500 to $1800 per year, still considerable.
Although insurance premium will be higher for Tesla at the moment for certain households.
Please share a particular dealership info if the $241/mo offer is still valid.
Thanks.
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