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Subaru Lease Offer: 2023 Subaru Solterra Compact Electric SUV

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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

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  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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Written by KhalidS8701
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Participating Subaru Dealerships [dealership locator] have 2023 Subaru Solterra Electric Compact SUV (Premium Trim, code PED-11) available to Lease at $241/month for 36 months (total $8,676) plus tax and license fee from participating dealerships w/ zero down for qualified buyers. Contact your local dealership(s) to verify if this offer is available in your area.

Thanks to community member KhalidS8701 for finding this deal.
  • Note: Offer and inventory availability may vary by location.
Features:
  • All-wheel-drive electric crossover
  • Seats five and carries 23.8 cubic feet of cargo behind its rear seats.
  • Range: 228 miles
  • 0-60mph in 6.5 seconds
  • 8.3" of ground clearance
  • Built on Toyota's e-TGNA global battery-electric vehicle platform

Editor's Notes

Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Offer valid through April 30, 2024.
    • Subject to credit approval, vehicle insurance approval, & vehicle availability. Not all buyers may qualify. Payments may be higher in some states. Net cap cost & monthly payment excludes tax, license, title, registration, insurance, additional options, & retailer charges. Retailer participation may affect actual payment. At lease end, lessee is responsible for vehicle maintenance & repairs not covered by warranty, excessive wear & tear. Lessee pays personal property & ad valorem taxes (where applicable) & insurance. See participating retailer for details.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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RicardoR5620
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Mine at 100% charge gets 175 miles of range (don't turn on the climate because that knocks it down to 160 miles), dealer says they are working on a fix. But won't look at the car.
nadanunca
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You may want to look at the Hyundai Ioniq 6. Rated for 360 mile range on a 100% charge, and Hyundai's been doing $7,500 cashback to offset the ineligibility for federal credits. And if you're really lucky, your state won't charge sales tax—NJ didn't for mine.
Tarkov
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Too bad insurance on this would be another $200

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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 04:25 PM
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Quote from topcho :
Lead acid batteries have million problems. Recyclability is not one of them.
They are also significantly more reliable in low temperatures than lithium. Thats why you dont see lithium starting batteries.

edit: I shouldn't say that either, LTO starting batteries are pretty phenomenal. But the only commercial implementation I've ever seen was in a BMW as the start/stop battery.
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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 04:28 PM
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Can we get back to the deal here? A deal is a deal, and I'm all for side tracked conversations, but lets talk about this deal.

How was the insurance quote for this? I know a 2023 Teslas model 3 base was about 2k more than a 2023 Camry hybrid when it came to full coverage insurance annually.

Doesnt matter how cheap the car is, if their going to pound you dry for insurance annually.
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KnightshadeApr 08, 2024 04:40 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
From cradle to grave is cleaner only if you do not consider the source and loss from the transportation of that energy.
Again this is outright false, and multiple links showing that have already been provided over and over.

Maybe go read them to understand why your claims are factually untrue?


(I note you've failed to provide a single link supporting your own, untrue, claims-- why is that?)


Quote from madmax718 :
Your quoting bio fuels, not bio diesel, which is primarily made from WASTE oil.
And can't actually be used in most consumer vehicles reliably without modifications to the vehicles.

The nearest you can get is B20, which is still 80% normal fossil fuel diesel.

And even then the B6 through B20 blends often kill your vehicle warranty even if they work ok.... VW for example, for decades, only approved up to B5 (95% regular diesel, 5% bio) in their cars, with a very few, very recently, allowing higher.

That's on top of biodisel produced using "waste" oil is only a TINY percentage of all fuel stock used in its making.

That's on top of you having yet to provide any source that it's cleaner all all than EVs--- let alone when in most cars only 5% of your fuel can be that- and it's mostly made with "new" oil not waste.




Quote from madmax718 :
You mention the degradation of teslas' specifically, but there is a fleet of nissan Leaf's that have dropped to unusable range.

Yes because they made garbage battery packs without properly cooling or battery management.

They represent only a small fraction of all EVs on the road, and aren't even for sale new anymore though.

AFAIK all new EVs (even the later-gen leafs in their last years) are not built that way (though I suppose there might be some obscure chinese-market microcars that still are--- not super relevant here)


Quote from madmax718 :
Why not make a CNG/Hybrid?

Because that's dirtier, less efficient, and more complex (both manufacturing and maintenance) than a BEV?

Hybrids are like futons-- not as good at either thing they try and mingle as a dedicated solution is.

(Plus mass fueling consumer cars on CNG would be kind of nuts infrastructure wise--- versus most people already have electricity in their homes)



Quote from madmax718 :
How was the insurance quote for this? I know a 2023 Teslas model 3 base was about 2k more than a 2023 Camry hybrid when it came to full coverage insurance annually.

Maybe shop around? Because insurance pricing can vary WILDLY. One recent study they called like a dozen insurance companies and got quotes ranging from as high as like $4500 a year to as low as $1500 a year. Same coverage, same driver, same Tesla model.


Quote from madmax718 :
They are also significantly more reliable in low temperatures than lithium. Thats why you dont see lithium starting batteries.

edit: I shouldn't say that either, LTO starting batteries are pretty phenomenal. But the only commercial implementation I've ever seen was in a BMW as the start/stop battery.

All Teslas made in the last few years use a lithium battery for their low voltage battery, replacing the older lead-acid/gel ones previously used.
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desi_babu_2010Apr 08, 2024 04:45 PM
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Quote from jmhinkle :
.. I'll put my Jetta at 50MPG up against any electric car on a 1600 mile trip running 80+ MPH. Lets see who gets there much faster on far fewer stops. It just isn't close. ..
dont mean to pile on.
but.
how often do u make 1600 mile trip...versus a 50 mile trip .

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Weird.......
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leeterbikeApr 08, 2024 04:45 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
Can we get back to the deal here? A deal is a deal, and I'm all for side tracked conversations, but lets talk about this deal.

How was the insurance quote for this? I know a 2023 Teslas model 3 base was about 2k more than a 2023 Camry hybrid when it came to full coverage insurance annually.

Doesnt matter how cheap the car is, if their going to pound you dry for insurance annually.
Insurance is all over the place on EV's. Its insurer specific. My insurance for a Sonta was 110/month in 2020 for 100/300/100. I bought a model 3P and the insurance went up to 126/month. It was considered a "performance car" and was reason for the increase. I switched to a Plaid and it was 160/month.

I got a quote on a model Y LR and it was 108.

My insurance agent broke down that its the likelyhood that the vehicle will be in an accident x the repair cost. It was a price wash because of the safety of the vehicle.

I see people with crazy rate quotes, shop around.
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chickdrApr 08, 2024 05:29 PM
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Quote from robhong :
Until they make an EV which fully recharges in 15-20 mins (this is the time taken to refill gas, use the restroom and grab something to munch on while I'm on long trips) I'll be avoiding these for now. As it stands, Toyota's hydrogen engines look more promising.
More like 5-10min for me. This is the biggest obstacle electric vehicles have IMHO. With a ICE car, there is no thought process before taking a trip as its available almost everywhere.
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chickdrApr 08, 2024 05:33 PM
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Quote from leeterbike :
Could you imagine if EV owners bashed ICE vehicle owners the way they bash EV owners? I'm a car enthusiast, I have a Porsche and a Corvette Z06, I also have a Tesla model S, and anytime I brag about the Tesla, people judge and paint me in a light of tree hugging environmentalist and (insert whatever political party).

What's the big deal about someone who likes alternative energy? Why do people care about EV's so much when they have ZERO effect on them? Most people have not even tried them before criticizing them and banishing them the deepest depths of hello.

My GT500 would only get about 170 miles of range on a full tank. I never, in over 20k miles, drove it from full to empty on any day.

I best most people cant recall a day they pulled out of their garage with a full tank and had to fill it up before returning.

EV drivers are car people too. Try one before being so critical.
Have you not seen the Prius South Park Episode? They certainly do....

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cheapbastadApr 08, 2024 05:38 PM
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dude/dudette, you either did not read or you can't understand that's this article is from a govt. site, house ways and means: https://waysandmeans.house.gov/bi...consumers/ [house.gov] You posted nothing to counter.
sweet jesus...it's a freakin' anonymous blog post; clearly you don't understand that members of that committee are partisan. here's another blog that's posted there: "Chairman Smith: Bidenomics Is an Attack on Small Businesses and Blue-Collar Jobs". well, that definitely sounds non-partisan and unbiased! then again, you probably think jason smith is a genius...
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KnightshadeApr 08, 2024 05:48 PM
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Quote from chickdr :
More like 5-10min for me. This is the biggest obstacle electric vehicles have IMHO. With a ICE car, there is no thought process before taking a trip as its available almost everywhere.

This deeply misunderstands how most people use cars.

99% of the time you're NOT on a road trip.

Which means you have to waste 5-10 minutes a week (or 10-20 if you drive a lot- or more if you fuel at costco Stick Out Tongue) hitting gas stations to keep your car fueled...and multiply that by 50 weeks a year spent locally.

While an EV owner wastes 0 time detouring anywhere, they're charging while they sleep at home (and for a much lower cost too) always waking up to a fueled vehicle with plenty of range for all their local driving.



The couple times a year a longer trip happens, they're still typically not doing more than 500 miles in a single day. Which a longer range EV can do with ONE stop of 15-20 minutes--- about the same as you'd make in a gas car to not just fuel, but get drinks, use the restroom, etc.

Even if you're a marathoner who wants to do 700 miles in a day a second 15-20 min stop gets you there (or a single longer stop when having a sit-down meal, as most folks travelling 10+ hours would do anyway)


And either way thanks to the local time savings, over the course of a whole year you waste far less time "fueling" an EV than you ever will keeping a gas car fueled all year.



Again the road trip stuff applies to most EVs sold these days- which have 250-350 miles of range out of the gate, and support real, fairly ubiquitous, fast charging.... the Subaru in this deal is not that and really is a throwback good-for-local-drives car because Toyota tech is so out of date... but applying that outlier to EVs in general is to simply ignore the reality of modern EVs (of which this isn't really one)
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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 05:50 PM
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Quote from leeterbike :
Insurance is all over the place on EV's. Its insurer specific. My insurance for a Sonta was 110/month in 2020 for 100/300/100. I bought a model 3P and the insurance went up to 126/month. It was considered a "performance car" and was reason for the increase. I switched to a Plaid and it was 160/month.

I got a quote on a model Y LR and it was 108.

My insurance agent broke down that its the likelyhood that the vehicle will be in an accident x the repair cost. It was a price wash because of the safety of the vehicle.

I see people with crazy rate quotes, shop around.
Ive called 4 different ones, GEICO, Allstate, farmers, and some no name brand. Might just be your locality causes the pricing to be lower.
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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 05:53 PM
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Quote from chickdr :
Have you not seen the Prius South Park Episode? They certainly do....
Anyone who does ski/bike/hike/marathon/etc often travels numerous miles to get to a location to do those activities. I've consistently packed on 300mi round trip day trips 3 out of 4 weekends.
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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 05:53 PM
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Also you can slash your mileage even more if you tow a travel trailer.
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KnightshadeApr 08, 2024 05:59 PM
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Quote from madmax718 :
Ive called 4 different ones, GEICO, Allstate, farmers, and some no name brand. Might just be your locality causes the pricing to be lower.

Or might be you picked especially expensive companies.


https://www.marketwatch.com/guide...insurance/

Allstate and Geico quoted near $4500 to insure a Tesla. Farmers was almost $3700. Other companies were as low as $1500-1800 for the same driver, same coverage, in the same car.

Shop around.
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madmax718Apr 08, 2024 06:02 PM
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If in fact the 170 mi range is all this car gets, this is a car to lease. But if the pricing was similar I'd still get a Tesla. The charging infrastrucure is just better.

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leeterbikeApr 08, 2024 06:11 PM
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Quote from Knightshade :
This deeply misunderstands how most people use cars.

99% of the time you're NOT on a road trip.

Which means you have to waste 5-10 minutes a week (or 10-20 if you drive a lot- or more if you fuel at costco Stick Out Tongue) hitting gas stations to keep your car fueled...and multiply that by 50 weeks a year spent locally.

While an EV owner wastes 0 time detouring anywhere, they're charging while they sleep at home (and for a much lower cost too) always waking up to a fueled vehicle with plenty of range for all their local driving.



The couple times a year a longer trip happens, they're still typically not doing more than 500 miles in a single day. Which a longer range EV can do with ONE stop of 15-20 minutes--- about the same as you'd make in a gas car to not just fuel, but get drinks, use the restroom, etc.

Even if you're a marathoner who wants to do 700 miles in a day a second 15-20 min stop gets you there (or a single longer stop when having a sit-down meal, as most folks travelling 10+ hours would do anyway)


And either way thanks to the local time savings, over the course of a whole year you waste far less time "fueling" an EV than you ever will keeping a gas car fueled all year.



Again the road trip stuff applies to most EVs sold these days- which have 250-350 miles of range out of the gate, and support real, fairly ubiquitous, fast charging.... the Subaru in this deal is not that and really is a throwback good-for-local-drives car because Toyota tech is so out of date... but applying that outlier to EVs in general is to simply ignore the reality of modern EVs (of which this isn't really one)
People cant comprehend the idea. They fixate on the what if situation and get wrapped up in it.

I have gas cars as well as electric. If I want to go on a long road trip, I would rent a car to avoid depreciation/wear of my gas car and put the thousands of miles on it.

Why would I drive my wife's X5M on a road trip when I can rent a Sienna for 50 bucks a day and put the 2k miles on it. Same situation as my Tesla, I've driven from Missouri to Chicago, took one stop each way for about 45 mins. My hotel in Chicago had a charger and I left with a full battery.
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