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This was in the news. I haven't contacted the dealer yet but it looks like $2210 pay down and $125 a month. My simple math says about $185 a month.
This excludes any dealer discounts. But may exclude some other fees. I have never leased so no clue.
Great as a third car. Note that this model didn't get very good reviews - hence it being priced accordingly.
https://www.toyota.com/midwest/de...icles=bz4x
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Toyota built this as a compliance car to fill a gap in the lineup and has zero focus on it or care. If anything, it is the 'look we built an EV, it sucks!'. The first production run had WHEELS FALLING OFF. They recalled every single one! The car is slow and just utterly wild in it's idiocy.
We test drove the badge engineered Subaru version - the Solterra. Same car, different logo.
The list of infuriating choices piled fast. Want to move the driver's seat? BEEPS. CONSTANT BEEPS.
Want to back up? It beeps on the inside and inside only. Who are they warning?! Me? I"M DRIVING THE CAR.
The performance is just bad. It has a quick little bit of torque and then falls on it's face.
Did I mention the range sucks and that the car does not support fast charging so you literally cannot roadtrip it without hour-long-stops?
All in all, it just felt like Toyota was completely uninterested in building it as it is lower margin than gas/hybrid.
Then you have the ioniq 5. Hyundai's focus is straight up on on beating the Tesla Model Y. They are serious and in it. The car is shockingly better looking in person than the BZ4X. The interior feels like tomorrow and has innovative ideas, way more range, way better software, etc.
Korea is currently having the same moment that Japan had in the 90s, Hyundai should be taken seriously, esp in the EV space.
TX offer is $4k down $219 a month plus TTL
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Man you put a lot of effort into pushing nonsense pseudo-science against the EPAS actual science.
Your brake garbage for example has already been debunked any number of times in previous EV threads- EVs do the vast majority of their braking with motor regen.... not brake pads
It's rare to ever need to replace the pads on an EV because they hardly ever get used... on average they will pollute far less via brake pad dust than gasoline cars will.
So you're managed to misunderstand your way to 100% the wrong conclusion there- as you have on most of what you wrote.
Also, perhaps you're unaware, but oil and gas also require mining.... and require vastly more, repeatedly, mining.
Once you mine the lithium for a car battery you don't need to mine it again-- it'll keep that car going, and then be like 99% recycled into the next one, for decades.... and you can power it with clean energy over those decades....
VS an iCE car where you have to constantly mine, transport, refine, transport again, so that car can refuel weekly on dirty fuel it burns.
Also the weight thing is grossly overstated... my Model 3 for example is within a few percent of the weight of comparable ICE vehicles (BMW 3 series, Lexus IS350, etc).... in some trims it's not even 100 lbs heavier, let alone 1000.
The fact GM sells like 5 insanely heavy EV hummers a month doesn't really change that.
The GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT FUD has also been repeatedly debunked-- here's an actual engineer explaining it for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6F
The rambling about ICs and server farms especially went off the rails-- it has no direct relation to EVs in the first place--and there's no "anticipated increase" in efficiency and lower costs for internal combustion because it's a century plus old tech.... they've already extracted those improvements a long time ago.... Whereas wind/solar are still relatively young in their S-curves of development and adoption and have lots of low hanging fruit from scaling to reap....
This is basic econ stuff (read about Wrights law sometime).
2023 XLE probably hard to find near northeast, west, and south. But still plenty out there, for example, dealerships near Oklahoma City have some left.
2024 XLE is available everywhere even in big metro area but probably low in stock. Oregon got plenty 2024 XLE if you are located on west coast. And you might be able to talk for a below the price listed on Toyota website. I got mine more than double the dealer's discount listed there.
Just plan on how to drive it back to California since this only has maximum 200 miles range on highway (close to advertised range only if you drive local). I was assuming 80% of advertised range but ended up driving behind big truck to reduce drag to get to the next level 3 charging station since it eats up range quickly when driving on highway.
Your brake garbage for example has already been debunked any number of times in previous EV threads- EVs do the vast majority of their braking with motor regen.... not brake pads
It's rare to ever need to replace the pads on an EV because they hardly ever get used... on average they will pollute far less via brake pad dust than gasoline cars will.
So you're managed to misunderstand your way to 100% the wrong conclusion there- as you have on most of what you wrote.
Also, perhaps you're unaware, but oil and gas also require mining.... and require vastly more, repeatedly, mining.
Once you mine the lithium for a car battery you don't need to mine it again-- it'll keep that car going, and then be like 99% recycled into the next one, for decades.... and you can power it with clean energy over those decades....
VS an iCE car where you have to constantly mine, transport, refine, transport again, so that car can refuel weekly on dirty fuel it burns.
Also the weight thing is grossly overstated... my Model 3 for example is within a few percent of the weight of comparable ICE vehicles (BMW 3 series, Lexus IS350, etc).... in some trims it's not even 100 lbs heavier, let alone 1000.
The fact GM sells like 5 insanely heavy EV hummers a month doesn't really change that.
The GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT FUD has also been repeatedly debunked-- here's an actual engineer explaining it for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6F
The rambling about ICs and server farms especially went off the rails-- it has no direct relation to EVs in the first place--and there's no "anticipated increase" in efficiency and lower costs for internal combustion because it's a century plus old tech.... they've already extracted those improvements a long time ago.... Whereas wind/solar are still relatively young in their S-curves of development and adoption and have lots of low hanging fruit from scaling to reap....
This is basic econ stuff (read about Wrights law sometime).
Your brake garbage for example has already been debunked any number of times in previous EV threads- EVs do the vast majority of their braking with motor regen.... not brake pads
It's rare to ever need to replace the pads on an EV because they hardly ever get used... on average they will pollute far less via brake pad dust than gasoline cars will.
So you're managed to misunderstand your way to 100% the wrong conclusion there- as you have on most of what you wrote.
Also, perhaps you're unaware, but oil and gas also require mining.... and require vastly more, repeatedly, mining.
Once you mine the lithium for a car battery you don't need to mine it again-- it'll keep that car going, and then be like 99% recycled into the next one, for decades.... and you can power it with clean energy over those decades....
VS an iCE car where you have to constantly mine, transport, refine, transport again, so that car can refuel weekly on dirty fuel it burns.
Also the weight thing is grossly overstated... my Model 3 for example is within a few percent of the weight of comparable ICE vehicles (BMW 3 series, Lexus IS350, etc).... in some trims it's not even 100 lbs heavier, let alone 1000.
The fact GM sells like 5 insanely heavy EV hummers a month doesn't really change that.
The GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT FUD has also been repeatedly debunked-- here's an actual engineer explaining it for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6F
The rambling about ICs and server farms especially went off the rails-- it has no direct relation to EVs in the first place--and there's no "anticipated increase" in efficiency and lower costs for internal combustion because it's a century plus old tech.... they've already extracted those improvements a long time ago.... Whereas wind/solar are still relatively young in their S-curves of development and adoption and have lots of low hanging fruit from scaling to reap....
This is basic econ stuff (read about Wrights law sometime).
Sorry, meant lease end to purchase. The purchase price after the lease ends.
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As long as you are willing to go to a dealership further away from your home, you should be able to negotiate the discount bigger than what is listed on Toyota website. I ended up driving 200 miles for the car. They didn't even have 50% charged on the car so I ended up charging multiple times at the free EVgo station to get home.
Will the dealer sell to someone out of state? Unfortunately, this deal is not available in the state I live but it is a available about 100 miles away at a neighboring state.
I asked a dealership about the model with the cheap lease. They said, "I don't even know why they advertise that. Toyota never sends that model."
Thanks for announcing.
Yes. Any dealer should be able to do out of state without issue. Just the temporary plate would not say the state you live it and you might have some issue on sales tax or registration if the dealer doesnt do it right. But they will sell you the car without issue. As an example, I bought my first car in NJ and registered in NY, then drove to MO on the second day of buying the car. So I got temporary NJ plate, actual plate and registration in NY that overlap with MO one right after that.
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