Select Toyota Dealerships: 36-Mo Lease on 2023 bZ4X XLE Electric Car Expired

Yes I am aware of the EPA myths— like any salesman, the EPA is reporting half truths to push EVs before the technology is ready. The EPA conveniently ignores many issues in their oversimplified myth creation —eg their analysis compares EVs with a range of about 150 miles to ICs with a range of 3 times that, the EPA does not account for the carbon and environmental impact of mining the rare earth elements that are needed in massively greater quantities to build the batteries in countries that have no regulations for such mining, the EPA accepts at face value the Chinese data on energy consumption used to build the batteries and Chinese data on carbon generated to produce that electricity to build the batteries (these are the same Chinese who admitted a few years ago that they had underreported the carbon emissions just from their coal fired electric plants alone by almost one billion tons); the EPA fails to acknowledge that new chips and components in data server farms — and that rapid increase in data server farms —are multiplying the demands on the grid exponentially; the EPA anticipates improvements in solar and wind electric generation technology and for EVs but fails to anticipate any similar improvements in IC technology; the EPA ignores entirely the fire issue ; the EPA ignores entirely the substantial additional pollution of particulates from EV brakes caused the extra friction needed to stop EVs which weigh on average 1000 pounds more than an EQUIVALENT IC car with the same range . In fact the EPA ignores entirely a number of issues (such as wear on roads) caused by this massive disparity in weight between EVs and ICs. I can't go into depth here but as with any salesman's statements — buyer beware!

There is no 2023 or 2024 XLE in anywhere right now. All got sold. Wow a lot of people are just getting this for fun!

Man you put a lot of effort into pushing nonsense pseudo-science against the EPAS actual science.

Your brake garbage for example has already been debunked any number of times in previous EV threads- EVs do the vast majority of their braking with motor regen.... not brake pads

It's rare to ever need to replace the pads on an EV because they hardly ever get used... on average they will pollute far less via brake pad dust than gasoline cars will.

So you're managed to misunderstand your way to 100% the wrong conclusion there- as you have on most of what you wrote.


Also, perhaps you're unaware, but oil and gas also require mining.... and require vastly more, repeatedly, mining.

Once you mine the lithium for a car battery you don't need to mine it again-- it'll keep that car going, and then be like 99% recycled into the next one, for decades.... and you can power it with clean energy over those decades....

VS an iCE car where you have to constantly mine, transport, refine, transport again, so that car can refuel weekly on dirty fuel it burns.



Also the weight thing is grossly overstated... my Model 3 for example is within a few percent of the weight of comparable ICE vehicles (BMW 3 series, Lexus IS350, etc).... in some trims it's not even 100 lbs heavier, let alone 1000.


The fact GM sells like 5 insanely heavy EV hummers a month doesn't really change that.


The GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT FUD has also been repeatedly debunked-- here's an actual engineer explaining it for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU



The rambling about ICs and server farms especially went off the rails-- it has no direct relation to EVs in the first place--and there's no "anticipated increase" in efficiency and lower costs for internal combustion because it's a century plus old tech.... they've already extracted those improvements a long time ago.... Whereas wind/solar are still relatively young in their S-curves of development and adoption and have lots of low hanging fruit from scaling to reap....

This is basic econ stuff (read about Wrights law sometime).

Man you put a lot of effort into pushing nonsense pseudo-science against the EPAS actual science.

Your brake garbage for example has already been debunked any number of times in previous EV threads- EVs do the vast majority of their braking with motor regen.... not brake pads

It's rare to ever need to replace the pads on an EV because they hardly ever get used... on average they will pollute far less via brake pad dust than gasoline cars will.

So you're managed to misunderstand your way to 100% the wrong conclusion there- as you have on most of what you wrote.


Also, perhaps you're unaware, but oil and gas also require mining.... and require vastly more, repeatedly, mining.

Once you mine the lithium for a car battery you don't need to mine it again-- it'll keep that car going, and then be like 99% recycled into the next one, for decades.... and you can power it with clean energy over those decades....

VS an iCE car where you have to constantly mine, transport, refine, transport again, so that car can refuel weekly on dirty fuel it burns.



Also the weight thing is grossly overstated... my Model 3 for example is within a few percent of the weight of comparable ICE vehicles (BMW 3 series, Lexus IS350, etc).... in some trims it's not even 100 lbs heavier, let alone 1000.


The fact GM sells like 5 insanely heavy EV hummers a month doesn't really change that.


The GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT FUD has also been repeatedly debunked-- here's an actual engineer explaining it for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU



The rambling about ICs and server farms especially went off the rails-- it has no direct relation to EVs in the first place--and there's no "anticipated increase" in efficiency and lower costs for internal combustion because it's a century plus old tech.... they've already extracted those improvements a long time ago.... Whereas wind/solar are still relatively young in their S-curves of development and adoption and have lots of low hanging fruit from scaling to reap....

This is basic econ stuff (read about Wrights law sometime).

what does "purchase option to lease" mean? thanks

I got mine fully loaded 2024 Limited trim ($52k MSRP) with deep dealer discount before this post. I didn't even realize it is zero APR so ended up putting slightly larger down payment.

As long as you are willing to go to a dealership further away from your home, you should be able to negotiate the discount bigger than what is listed on Toyota website. I ended up driving 200 miles for the car. They didn't even have 50% charged on the car so I ended up charging multiple times at the free EVgo station to get home.

Good luck finding a 2023 model in stock with a MSRP that qualifies for this deal. The dealers have been picked clean.

I would rather buy a clunker from a local used car dealer than an entitled, arrogant dealership, particularly Toyota.

Will the dealer sell to someone out of state? Unfortunately, this deal is not available in the state I live but it is a available about 100 miles away at a neighboring state.

Scare the wheel will fly off

Which state?