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expiredsupermanrob posted Jun 04, 2024 11:55 PM
Onkyo TX-RZ50 9.2 Channel Network 8K AV Receiver - $949 at Beach Camera via Walmart
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First ones at full MSRP since people were so amazed at getting Dirac at this price point
Now...discounted and end of the line
Maybe its successor will offer DLBC
Though I realize that is not real important in the arena of slick deals
First ones at full MSRP since people were so amazed at getting Dirac at this price point
Now...discounted and end of the line
Maybe its successor will offer DLBC
Though I realize that is not real important in the arena of slick deals
Here is a video from a renowned AV Professional(AA) who worked directly with Dirac that gives you best/key tips & tricks to optimally use Dirac Live.
It's extremely helpful walking you through how to use Dirac Live optimally/properly & explains common mistakes/confusion issues that often come up!
These applies to any Dirac Live capable receiver.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gjWZUZ1
Depends I guess as to what the person's needs are
The RZ70 has a significantly more capable amp/power supply section and more channels.
Though I am sure the RZ50 outsells the RZ70 many times over due to the price point .
I would say when you get to the $3K ish price point( and above) buyers are often looking at non Asian brands
I own the RZ50 and its in a smaller listening space. Its very capable in the realm of what it can do and it sounds great
Tips and tricks pertaining specifically to the units ,from actual owners, can be found in the AVS forum thread
https://www.avsforum.co
I had a recent issue with wi fi and the set up menu and the thread helped me solve it quickly.
Addtionally ..the Dirac set up on this is a little different( simpler perhaps) than I was used to with the Arcam units. That set up is outlined in the AVS forum thread as well.
The RZ70 has a significantly more capable amp/power supply section and more channels.
Though I am sure the RZ50 outsells the RZ70 many times over due to the price point .
I would say when you get to the $3K ish price point( and above) buyers are often looking at non Asian brands
I own the RZ50 and its in a smaller listening space. Its very capable in the realm of what it can do and it sounds great
Tips and tricks pertaining specifically to the units ,from actual owners, can be found in the AVS forum thread
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...3/#replies [avsforum.com]
I had a recent issue with wi fi and the set up menu and the thread helped me solve it quickly.
Addtionally ..the Dirac set up on this is a little different( simpler perhaps) than I was used to with the Arcam units. That set up is outlined in the AVS forum thread as well.
However. If one preferred Dirac, over Audyssey, there would be about an $800 upcharge for the licenses and appropriate calibration mic. Since Denon/Marantz does not include any of this at no charge.
Close to RZ70 money, without the much better amp/power supply and additional channels
However. If one preferred Dirac, over Audyssey, there would be about an $800 upcharge for the licenses and appropriate calibration mic. Since Denon/Marantz does not include any of this at no charge.
Close to RZ70 money, without the much better amp/power supply and additional channels
IMHO, this is a far more elegant solution than Onkyo and Dirac pointing fingers at each other for why the bass management is so difficult to dial in w/o native Dirac BM or BC!
If you don't use Dirac, no harm no foul!
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IMHO, this is a far more elegant solution than Onkyo and Dirac pointing fingers at each other for why the bass management is so difficult to dial in w/o native Dirac BM or BC!
If you don't use Dirac, no harm no foul!
I understand your point about not caring about bass management. In the realm of slick deals its probably not important, as I stated before.
Going higher end , my opinion changes, with 3 subs, as I have in my main room with an Arcam pre/pro, its a different scenario.
I have no idea what your statement means
"Onkyo and Dirac pointing fingers at each other for why the bass management is so difficult to dial in w/o native Dirac BM or BC!"
Do you have a verifiable factual basis that you can link here for that statement?
To your point, if you dont use Dirac then the equation changes
Though, IMHO, Audyssey XT32 is a lower performing RC system than Dirac
The last Audyssey capable unit I have left is the Marantz 7015 and as soon as the RZ70 comes down a bit more in price consistently, that will more than likely be replaced.
I understand your point about not caring about bass management. In the realm of slick deals its probably not important, as I stated before.
Going higher end , my opinion changes, with 3 subs, as I have in my main room with an Arcam pre/pro, its a different scenario.
I have no idea what your statement means
"Onkyo and Dirac pointing fingers at each other for why the bass management is so difficult to dial in w/o native Dirac BM or BC!"
Do you have a verifiable factual basis that you can link here for that statement?
To your point, if you dont use Dirac then the equation changes
Though, IMHO, Audyssey XT32 is a lower performing RC system than Dirac
The last Audyssey capable unit I have left is the Marantz 7015 and as soon as the RZ70 comes down a bit more in price consistently, that will more than likely be replaced.
Onkyo RZ50 Dirac Room Correction w/o Dirac BM or BC
- Calibration is done and all speakers' capabilities are tested and a filter is created
- This filter doesn't have any info on the LFE crossover point
- Filter is transferred to the RZ50 and the LFE crossover is set by the RZ50.
The calibration will sound good for the volume you set it at. You change the volume, how will the AVR consistently boost/lower frequencies since the LFE crossover is blind to Dirac itself?!!!
Denon 3800 (or better) Dirac Room Correction w/Dirac BM or BC
- Calibration is done and all speakers' capabilities are tested
- User/Dirac decides optimal LFE crossover point
- Filter (w/LFE info) is transferred to the Denon
Wouldn't you agree that if the LFE info is consistent w/Dirac that this is the best option?
Your situation w/3 subs can easily be handled by DLBC and the Denon 3800 w/its 4 discrete SW channels (no Arcam needed).
Onkyo RZ50 Dirac Room Correction w/o Dirac BM or BC
- Calibration is done and all speakers' capabilities are tested and a filter is created
- This filter doesn't have any info on the LFE crossover point
- Filter is transferred to the RZ50 and the LFE crossover is set by the RZ50.
The calibration will sound good for the volume you set it at. You change the volume, how will the AVR consistently boost/lower frequencies since the LFE crossover is blind to Dirac itself?!!!
Denon 3800 (or better) Dirac Room Correction w/Dirac BM or BC
- Calibration is done and all speakers' capabilities are tested
- User/Dirac decides optimal LFE crossover point
- Filter (w/LFE info) is transferred to the Denon
Wouldn't you agree that if the LFE info is consistent w/Dirac that this is the best option?
Your situation w/3 subs can easily be handled by DLBC and the Denon 3800 w/its 4 discrete SW channels (no Arcam needed).
The discussion was financial and the differences there
My comment was the extra money you would have to pay for Dirac and its equation in regard to the total cost of the RZ70 versus others. As I posted before this is about $800 extra
Your scenario doesnt include the differences in total cost between the two units comparably equipped.
I am also going to say IMO, in the realm of slick deals, DLBC is not really that important.
Also you never linked where you obtained the information about the " finger pointing" that had been going on between Onkyo and Dirac?
In regards of the sonics of the Arcam unit
I owned the former Denon flagship AVR and the former flagship Marantz pre pro
Neither of them held up to the Arcam..IMHO
Both have been replaced with Arcam units.
I spent a lot of time demoing 2 channel music ( with no room correction engaged)..Arcam all day long sonically superior to my ears
The discussion was financial and the differences there
My comment was the extra money you would have to pay for Dirac and its equation in regard to the total cost of the RZ70 versus others. As I posted before this is about $800 extra
Your scenario doesnt include the differences in total cost between the two units comparably equipped.
I am also going to say IMO, in the realm of slick deals, DLBC is not really that important.
Also you never linked where you obtained the information about the " finger pointing" that had been going on between Onkyo and Dirac?
In regards of the sonics of the Arcam unit
I owned the former Denon flagship AVR and the former flagship Marantz pre pro
Neither of them held up to the Arcam..IMHO
Both have been replaced with Arcam units.
I spent a lot of time demoing 2 channel music ( with no room correction engaged)..Arcam all day long sonically superior to my ears
https://www.avsforum.co
https://www.avsforum.co
https://www.avsforum.co
"For some reason Onkyo / Pioneer / Integra units are having issues detecting subwoofer loudness and attempting to raise the physical subwoofer gain knob to match the other speakers results in way too much bass."
Well, I did say the Dirac room correction was blind to the RZ50 crossover LFE point, didn't I?
If you are in the AVS Dirac thread, then you know Dirac has largely abandoned Arcam owners:
https://www.avsforum.co
Not to mention most people either believe Dirac includes their bass management with Dirac Live or DLBC has no real benefit/not needed.
Even a few on here that have the option for DLBC don't bother getting it, they see nobenefit to them.
You also wouldn't get assignable channels or pre amp mode which is offered on the RZ70.
This is all offered on the 3800, even more.
4 independent sub outs, all channels are assignable & pre amp mode is individual per channel. Even the RZ70 only gets L&R fronts OR all channels.
Power is the only difference but pre-outs nullifies that, you get those for a reason.
Some people that go by measurements don't like the fact that this isn't recommended for 4 or 6 ohm speakers.
If Dirac is/becomes important the 3800 lets you pay for it if/when you need it & you can piecemeal as needed.
It's even rumored to get Dirac's newest RC, ART in the future.
That is a lot of future proofing you get imo.
My example was about $350 more if buying a Denon 3800. Of course Black Friday should come into the equation because it's a known promotional period for Dirac and we are on Slickdeals are we not?
Note that the 3800 is worth even more than the RZ50 if we're talking about driving 4 ohm nominal speakers!
My example was about $350 more if buying a Denon 3800. Of course Black Friday should come into the equation because it's a known promotional period for Dirac and we are on Slickdeals are we not?
Note that the 3800 is worth even more than the RZ50 if we're talking about driving 4 ohm nominal speakers!
As for how I am coming up with $800..let me answer YOUR question
$349 X2 for the licenses and $100 ish for the calibration mic
yes..you can get a deal here and there..but there is still is a substantial money difference
Lets look at this deal for an example of value and extremely popular here on slick deals.
https://slickdeals.net/f/17424975-onkyo-tx-nr7100-9-2-channel-8k-4k-network-a-v-receiver-549-free-shipping?src=Si
I will state again...I dont think the slick deals crowd really values DLBC
AVS forum is another story and frankly another market.
People in the AVS Onkyo 7100/RZ50 owners thread( as well as here on slick deals) have never complained about being able to drive their speakers...
You can read through the 3 plus year old AVS forum thread from actual owners...hundreds and hundreds of them
https://www.avsforum.co
To your point about powering hard to drive speakers
Could you not see one stepping up to the RZ70 for just that reason alone...if that was a big issue for that person?
Seriously..the RZ70 out test benches every Denon receiver made except the $6500 MSRP...and it comes close to it even. A1H
I have speakers that dip to 2-3 ohm and I have been known to listen at reference levels for extended periods of time. I have used separates for years
But if I was going to a one box solution the RZ70 could be on my shopping list..if I didnt choose to move up in range.
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"For some reason Onkyo / Pioneer / Integra units are having issues detecting subwoofer loudness and attempting to raise the physical subwoofer gain knob to match the other speakers results in way too much bass."
Well, I did say the Dirac room correction was blind to the RZ50 crossover LFE point, didn't I?
If you are in the AVS Dirac thread, then you know Dirac has largely abandoned Arcam owners:
https://www.avsforum.co
The response to him was
" Have you read the first post in the official RZ50 thread 2021 Onkyo TX-RZ50 Owner's Thread (NR7100 owner's welcome) The first post has many helpful links and also has a tutorial for setting up the mic calibration and levels."
I still never saw the post from the two companies " pointing fingers at each other"
LOL...and who stated that Dirac has abandoned Arcam owners?
Please also discuss this with the other platforms/brands ( that Harman Audio owns) that share the exact same platforms as the Arcam units.( there are several)
You would have to certainly know about that to discuss abandonement.....
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