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TOSOT 9,000 BTU 20 SEER2 WiFi Enabled Mini-Split System AC Unit/ Heating System

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Woot! has TOSOT 9,000 BTU 20 SEER2 WiFi Enabled Ductless Inverter Mini-Split System Air Conditioner Unit/ Heating System (115V or 230V) on sale for $499.99. Shipping is free for Amazon Prime Members (must login with your Amazon account and select a shipping address in order for Woot to apply free shipping) or is otherwise $6 per order.

Thanks to Community Member BraveCheetah597 for finding this deal.

Features:
  • Control your Muse AC even when you're out of the house with the Gree+ app and enjoy a cool breeze upon arriving home on a hot day. Plus, with voice control through Alexa or Google Assistant, changing the settings is a breeze.
  • With a SEER2 rating above 20, the new Muse Series is built to be energy efficient, saving you up to 62% on energy costs compared to low-SEER2 units. The higher the SEER2 rating, the more efficient your unit is, making the Muse Series a smart and cost-effective choice for your home cooling and heating.
  • The upgraded compressor in the Muse Series provides stable performance under extreme weather conditions. Enjoy powerful cooling in summer with a max operating temperature of 122℉ or stay warm in winter with a minimum operating temperature of -13℉.
  • TOSOT has upgraded the Muse's package to ensure safe delivery and protect against heavy shocks and crashes during shipping, ensuring your package arrives in perfect condition.
  • With operating noise between 24dB and 34dB, the Muse Series provides a peaceful night's sleep. Activate sleep mode to ensure the temperature stays comfortable throughout the night.

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Woot! has TOSOT 9,000 BTU 20 SEER2 WiFi Enabled Ductless Inverter Mini-Split System Air Conditioner Unit/ Heating System (115V or 230V) on sale for $499.99. Shipping is free for Amazon Prime Members (must login with your Amazon account and select a shipping address in order for Woot to apply free shipping) or is otherwise $6 per order.

Thanks to Community Member BraveCheetah597 for finding this deal.

Features:
  • Control your Muse AC even when you're out of the house with the Gree+ app and enjoy a cool breeze upon arriving home on a hot day. Plus, with voice control through Alexa or Google Assistant, changing the settings is a breeze.
  • With a SEER2 rating above 20, the new Muse Series is built to be energy efficient, saving you up to 62% on energy costs compared to low-SEER2 units. The higher the SEER2 rating, the more efficient your unit is, making the Muse Series a smart and cost-effective choice for your home cooling and heating.
  • The upgraded compressor in the Muse Series provides stable performance under extreme weather conditions. Enjoy powerful cooling in summer with a max operating temperature of 122℉ or stay warm in winter with a minimum operating temperature of -13℉.
  • TOSOT has upgraded the Muse's package to ensure safe delivery and protect against heavy shocks and crashes during shipping, ensuring your package arrives in perfect condition.
  • With operating noise between 24dB and 34dB, the Muse Series provides a peaceful night's sleep. Activate sleep mode to ensure the temperature stays comfortable throughout the night.

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Samsterr
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Very bad warranty on tosot brands, we have a unit where the compressor is leaking from top, and we've been waiting for tosot to source the part and ship it to the distributor to have our unit fixed and it's been months of contact and all we can do is wait. It's just been a waiting game so far. So a more reputable and represented brand for heating and cooling would be more preferable.
deallover9000
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The unit is precharged in the sense that the refrigerant comes with the unit. It's locked away in the outdoor unit. You have to install both units and make the lineset connections between the two, which are at normal atmosphere with moisture inside them, and evacuate the lines, and then you release the refrigerant. There is Mr Cool, which provides a system where you wouldn't need to vacuum the line, but they cost more and seem to have a similar level of dependability. You can borrow vacuum and manifold gauge sets from Autozone for free through their loaner program. I did an install last month for a Costway unit and the vacuum process wasn't bad at all
Wlau29
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If it breaks, you just TOSOT out.

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Jul 26, 2024 05:30 AM
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pringlebbqJul 26, 2024 05:30 AM
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Quote from jd2k1 :
It qualifies. It's SEER2 20. It exceeds the minimum SEER2 16 requirement.
there's hspf2 requirement and energy star certification requirements
Jul 26, 2024 12:09 PM
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pcrhJul 26, 2024 12:09 PM
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Quote from smartt :
That seems either laughably crazy high, I misunderstood, or you live 500 knots out in the Sahara. $13k just for install or they just upselling the hell out of something that is probably in this same league?
That is standard price and includes the equipment. They are factoring in that they should get the federal and state rebates. The prices went up overnight when those incentives came out.
Jul 26, 2024 01:01 PM
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JimmyLoveJul 26, 2024 01:01 PM
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Quote from yogeshsr :
I am looking for something that can be powered from inside of the house by regular 120V outlet(. Any recommendations?
Pioneer makes a 9000BTU mini split that you can get it in 120 or 220V. Only the 9000BTU size has this option.
Jul 26, 2024 01:05 PM
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JimmyLoveJul 26, 2024 01:05 PM
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Quote from bryanz :
I was talking with a guy who works for an HVAC company. He was saying that most HVAC companies don't want to install these because they'd rather send their crews out on bigger jobs. As a result, they come in pretty high on the labor side relative to the cost of the unit itself. There are dedicated installers of mini splits that you can find occasionally. One I found was half the price, closer to $2k with the unit, whereas the HVAC places were anywhere from $4.5-6k.
I have called 2 different HVAC instsllers to install units I already purchased. Neither wanted the job. Their excuse was they ran in to problems installing units that the customer bought. I think they refused because they couldnt mark up the price….🤷🏼
Jul 26, 2024 02:31 PM
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killaefro06Jul 26, 2024 02:31 PM
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Quote from FantasticStag377 :
These are great for ADU's 🙌. Cools the whole 800 SQF home (google it to get a picture) . Grand kids loving hanging out in the grandparents ADU in the backyard now.
This 9K btu unit is enough for your 800 sq ft adu?
Jul 26, 2024 05:07 PM
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Richard1979Jul 26, 2024 05:07 PM
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Quote from jamesament :
I have called 2 different HVAC instsllers to install units I already purchased. Neither wanted the job. Their excuse was they ran in to problems installing units that the customer bought. I think they refused because they couldnt mark up the price….🤷🏼
While the mark up is definitely true, these units are a huge PITA to install. I think they just didn't want to deal with the headache.
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Jul 26, 2024 05:55 PM
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alphawave
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Jul 26, 2024 05:55 PM
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Quote from jamesament :
Pioneer makes a 9000BTU mini split that you can get it in 120 or 220V. Only the 9000BTU size has this option.
The manual doesn't discuss the plug-in option...is there any documentation on this?
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Jul 26, 2024 06:00 PM
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killaefro06Jul 26, 2024 06:00 PM
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Quote from Richard1979 :
While the mark up is definitely true, these units are a huge PITA to install. I think they just didn't want to deal with the headache.
Complete malarkey. You can fall into hundreds of DIY mini split videos on YouTube. Mini-splits are very simple to install. That's their main appeal. 🇺🇸 is so behind with them. They're still "new" to most here while they are so common worldwide.
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Jul 26, 2024 07:51 PM
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PabloTheGreekJul 26, 2024 07:51 PM
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I purchased this unit on a previous Woot sale, one of the two boxes came very beat up and I had to bend the motor mount because it must have torqued from whatever drop the box has and the blade was hitting the side.

After install (I used the Pioneer line flush method), It works fine EXCEPT i cannot keep a constant temperature... I set it to 75 and I measure 66 in this room. I go to 77 and the room is humid. While I might have oversized for this room (Garage office space) it should still work around the temp range.

I regret not getting the Mr Cool which I have installed in my living room and it maintains temp and humidity perfectly.
Jul 26, 2024 08:39 PM
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darkhunterJul 26, 2024 08:39 PM
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Quote from Richard1979 :
While the mark up is definitely true, these units are a huge PITA to install. I think they just didn't want to deal with the headache.
No they're not. Drill a hole througb the wall. Mount unit to studs. Vacuum and connnect wires. Installed mine in a hour or so.
Jul 26, 2024 09:14 PM
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pcrhJul 26, 2024 09:14 PM
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Quote from speedyslick46 :
What is the correct rated cable? I assume you're referring to the cable between the indoor and outdoor units?
Both. They supply a power cable to the outside unit and a cable between the outside and inside unit. both are SOW and my reading of the NEC they should not be used. *

For power from your disconnect to the outside unit I would suggest sched 40 or 80 conduit with THHN wire or equivalent. For the final bends to the outside unit a flexible non-metalic conduit (again with THHN or equivalent inside). *

For the outside to inside unit I used cable of type "TC-ER-JP" . Tosot supplied 18AWG conductor cable ("SOW"), I went with higher current rated 14 AWG 4 conductor (14/4C) "TC-ER-JP" type cable. The cable is fairly straightforward to find from electrical suppliers on eBay. Again for exposed cable out of the mini-split it is enclosed in non-metallic flexible conduit*

*IANALE (I am not a licensed electrician)
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Jul 26, 2024 09:19 PM
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pcrhJul 26, 2024 09:19 PM
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Quote from alphawave :
The manual doesn't discuss the plug-in option...is there any documentation on this?
From my reading of NEC you are not supposed to put a power plug on a "permanent" install piece of equipment.​
Jul 26, 2024 09:21 PM
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pcrhJul 26, 2024 09:21 PM
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Quote from txjustin :
I can literally get a 4 ton central hvac installed for that.
I can't - that quote was $27k.....
Jul 26, 2024 09:33 PM
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pmrowczynskiJul 26, 2024 09:33 PM
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9000 BTU is not a lot. You can buy a 12000 BTU for a window drop in for $351 right now from HD and that is good for a 550 sq-ft room. Plus works straight off of a standard wall plug.

Want it prettier? A 24x24" piece of ply wood for the base and some 2x4 cut at 45 degrees to allow it to lean against the wall and you're good. Have a horizontally sliding window and another 24" wide piece of ply to close off the area above. When done, remove it in September and don't worry about it until next year.

Don't get me wrong, I like the look but 9000 BTU is really … low. You're talking 350 sq-ft which means it will basically be on if you're thinking anything but a bedroom.

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Jul 26, 2024 09:47 PM
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pcrhJul 26, 2024 09:47 PM
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I hope this helps about federal (IRS) rebate.

1) It looks like these TOSOT units are not eligible for northern or southern states according to Energy star search. (aside: they are so cheap it's not like you were going to get a large rebate back)

https://data.energystar.gov/Activ...4wLjAuMA..


2) Manufacturers make 100's of product variations, only some of which are on the energy star site, so be really careful about the exact model number you are buying if the federal rebate matters to you.

3) Many places will advertise "federal rebate eligible" but there are different standard for different regions and they don't make that clear (looking at you home depot telling me in a northern state that I can get the rebate on a unit that is only eligible in the south )....

4)
To be federal rebate eligible a mini-split has to meet regional requirements (northern vs southern states) as defined here: https://www.energystar.gov/about/...heat-pumps

Generally the Sothern rebate eligible mini-splits have a tougher standard (than the north) for their efficiency in cooling (EER2). Conversely the Northern standard has tougher standard than the south for their heating efficiency (HSPF2).

Warning: notice the "2" at the end of all these standards, a lot of manufacturers will quote the old non-2 standards. They are not the same.
Ductless (mini-splits)
South: ENERGY STAR certified heat pumps with
SEER2 > 16
EER2 > 12
HSPF2 > 9

North: ENERGY STAR Cold Climate heat pumps with
SEER2 > 16
EER2 > 9
HSPF2 > 9.5

5)
Installation, yes you can DIY, you do not need to use a licensed HVAC engineer to claim the federal credit.

You do need to do electrical work "consistent with NEC" but I can find no mention of requirement to use a licensed electrician either.

Here are the links, if anyone finds a relevant document form a .gov web site that says otherwise I would love to know....

H.R.5376 - Inflation Reduction Act of 2022
https://www.congress.gov/117/plaw...ubl169.pdf

Energy Efficiency Home Improvement Credit - 26 USC 25C
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xht...neous-note

Residential Clean Energy Credit - 26 USC 25D
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xht...dment-note

IRS, Instructions for Form 5695 (2023)
https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2022-40.pdf

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