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Leno returned to 11:30pm time slot

1,581 129 January 7, 2010 at 03:37 PM in TV (3)
NBC Shakeup -- Jay Leno Comes Out on Top [tmz.com]

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We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.
No words on what will happen to Conan and Fallon... whether they both will get pushed back one hour of if one of them will be fired.

I prefer Leno at 11:30 than 10:00.

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01-09-2010 at 08:07 AM.
01-09-2010 at 08:07 AM.
Ferguson > all
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01-09-2010 at 08:23 AM.
01-09-2010 at 08:23 AM.
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people watch network tv?

this country really is going to hell.......
Well you're still here so I'd assume we already went there.
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01-10-2010 at 11:54 AM.
01-10-2010 at 11:54 AM.
NBC has confirmed this... the 10pm Jay Leno Show will end before the Olympics start and Jay will return to the 11:35 slot after the Olympics end. They haven't said if he will be on for one hour or 30 mins yet.
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BikerEric
01-10-2010 at 05:47 PM.
01-10-2010 at 05:47 PM.
I think Leno is just trying to save his ass right now.....
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01-10-2010 at 06:47 PM.
01-10-2010 at 06:47 PM.
Jay has value to NBC but if they want to keep Conan he can't be a variety or talk show host anymore. They should transition him to a correspondent/personality on the Today show or something like that, he'd be great at that. That one time when he swapped with Katie Couric, he did fine in that role. Save him for 9am and put him against Regis and I think that's the spot for him.

If NBC lets Conan go, he will blow late night wide open for a brand new network. NBC needs to realize that the last thing they want is FOX throwing their hat in the ring for late night ratings. Leno vs. 3 other late night shows with top hosts is a far cry from Seinfeld reruns.
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01-10-2010 at 07:09 PM.
01-10-2010 at 07:09 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Jay has value to NBC but if they want to keep Conan he can't be a variety or talk show host anymore. They should transition him to a correspondent/personality on the Today show or something like that, he'd be great at that. That one time when he swapped with Katie Couric, he did fine in that role. Save him for 9am and put him against Regis and I think that's the spot for him.

If NBC lets Conan go, he will blow late night wide open for a brand new network. NBC needs to realize that the last thing they want is FOX throwing their hat in the ring for late night ratings. Leno vs. 3 other late night shows with top hosts is a far cry from Seinfeld reruns.
conan's been given a golden ticket and is pulling in 2.5 million viewers (compared to 5/4 for leno/letterman), and has the same appeal to 18-49 yr olds as letterman.

personal preferences aside, he's just not a main draw. going to a new network won't do shit for his ratings, he'd most likely drop if he runs to fox. his stuff plays well in the after the big guys stuff. he competes well against someone like fallon.
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01-10-2010 at 07:15 PM.
01-10-2010 at 07:15 PM.
I like Ferguson and Conan. Ferguson doesn't seem so forced in his humor. It seems like he is having a good time and is funny in the process. To me that is comedy...
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01-10-2010 at 08:13 PM.
01-10-2010 at 08:13 PM.
Quote from 1southern1belle :
I like Ferguson and Conan. Ferguson doesn't seem so forced in his humor. It seems like he is having a good time and is funny in the process. To me that is comedy...
Cause ferguson doesn't go off a straight script. He has a very loose outline he follows and basically improvs. Which like you said, is pure comedy!
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01-10-2010 at 08:27 PM.
01-10-2010 at 08:27 PM.
Quote from arjunsr :
conan's been given a golden ticket and is pulling in 2.5 million viewers (compared to 5/4 for leno/letterman), and has the same appeal to 18-49 yr olds as letterman.

personal preferences aside, he's just not a main draw. going to a new network won't do shit for his ratings, he'd most likely drop if he runs to fox. his stuff plays well in the after the big guys stuff. he competes well against someone like fallon.
Going to a new network splits the ratings 4 ways instead of 3, that impacts ALL of them whether he wins the timeslot or not. FOX is getting shit ratings by airing reruns right now, as long as they turn a profit (any profit) with Conan on a show, they could care less about ratings and whether they win the hour or not. Ratings are relative. NBC cares about ratings because if there's drop they lose advertising dollars. FOX's ratings aren't going to get WORSE with Conan, they can only go up. So it comes down to a matter of whether Conan's salary and production costs exceed the increased ad revenue plus the royalties that you wouldn't have to pay for whatever rerun you choose to ax.

And I think you have to give a show more than 8 months before you conclude that he can't hang. This is why so many good tv shows get cancelled early, networks want to see big success early or you're getting more of the same shit you've always had. What were Conan's ratings when he took over Late Night from Letterman? I don't think they were as good as Dave's, but he fell into his niche. I have a feeling a relatively unknown Jay Leno didn't retain Johnny Carson's numbers either, especially not when the favorite to GET the timeslot ran to another network to directly compete after he didn't. But Carson wasn't hanging over Leno's head the way Leno is hanging over Conan's. If Leno didn't want to leave the Tonight Show, he shouldn't have. NBC would've kept him and let Conan walk 5 years ago, probably to ABC instead of Kimmel. It's a little despicable to give up the show to keep Conan and then try to reverse after 8 months.
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01-10-2010 at 08:30 PM.
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Quote from shhaggy :
Going to a new network splits the ratings 4 ways instead of 3, that impacts ALL of them whether he wins the timeslot or not. FOX is getting shit ratings by airing reruns right now, as long as they turn a profit (any profit) with Conan on a show, they could care less about ratings and whether they win the hour or not.

And I think you have to give a show more than 8 months before you conclude that he can't hang. This is why so many good tv shows get cancelled early, networks want to see big success early or you're getting more of the same shit you've always had. What were Conan's ratings when he took over Late Night from Letterman? I don't think they were as good as Dave's, but he fell into his niche.
so with more competition he's going to draw more ratings than given the cushy situation?

he can't compete with leno letterman. he has a niche audience. majority of america just doesn't find him funny. this isn't just my personal opinion.. its backed by neilson ratings.
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01-10-2010 at 08:43 PM.
01-10-2010 at 08:43 PM.
Quote from 1southern1belle :
I like Ferguson and Conan. Ferguson doesn't seem so forced in his humor. It seems like he is having a good time and is funny in the process. To me that is comedy...
Meh, to each their own. Improv can be funny with the right comic, but I just don't find Ferguson that funny. I like scripted show with funny writers, like Conan and Jon Stewart. Conan isn't forced in h is humor, that's part of his schtick.
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01-10-2010 at 08:46 PM.
01-10-2010 at 08:46 PM.
Ferguson > all.

He seems genuine.
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01-10-2010 at 08:47 PM.
01-10-2010 at 08:47 PM.
Quote from arjunsr :
so with more competition he's going to draw more ratings than given the cushy situation?

he can't compete with leno letterman. he has a niche audience. majority of america just doesn't find him funny. this isn't just my personal opinion.. its backed by neilson ratings.
You're missing the point, he doesn't HAVE to draw more ratings. What the hell does he care about ratings? He'll get a contract and a salary. The NETWORK cares about the ratings. NBC needs that top ratings because they're used to the advertising dollar amount that they've been hauling from The Tonight Show. FOX isn't getting a piece of that pie right now, if they can even take 10% of the viewership from late night talk shows, that's huge for them. So FOX wins. They pay Conan, so Conan wins. NBC, CBS, and ABC all lose because they have to split the pie 4 ways now, even if FOX gets the smallest portion. You don't just 'win' because you finish #1, it's all relative. If NBC 'wins' the night with a lower rating than they had before because they're competing against 3 networks, do you think they will be happy? Advertising money is linked to ratings, not rank.

And further, how were Leno's ratings when he started? It's hard to follow a guy that's been on for 15 years. It takes time to build an audience. They aren't going to find a guy to step in and retain that audience in one fell swoop. If you got used to Leno for 15 years and liked him, guess what, you aren't going to like ANYBODY in that timeslot immediately. It takes time.

And since we're using Nielsen: why are we disregarding Leno's shitty numbers at 10pm? Doesn't that mean the majority of America doesn't find HIM funny? Or maybe, just maybe, the timeslot and viewer comfort has something to do with it. Leno has struggled WAY more moving timeslots than Conan has. Larry King has been on for a LONG time. Is that a 'good' show? Maybe for the unintentional comedy, but otherwise it's a pretty awful show. But I'll bet there'll be a void when he's gone, at least for a short period.
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01-10-2010 at 09:02 PM.
01-10-2010 at 09:02 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Meh, to each their own. Improv can be funny with the right comic, but I just don't find Ferguson that funny. I like scripted show with funny writers, like Conan and Jon Stewart. Conan isn't forced in h is humor, that's part of his schtick.
I wasn't very clear, but the forced comment wasn't meant as a comparison between Ferguson and Conan. It was more of what I find as an attribute to Ferguson's comedy over those who don't appeal to me. Like I said, I like both Ferguson and Conan. I definitely see Conan's humor as very tongue in cheek and he would be my preference over Leno, Letterman, and Fallon, but not over Ferguson. I enjoy them both, but they are different in their style.
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