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Leno returned to 11:30pm time slot

1,581 129 January 7, 2010 at 03:37 PM in TV (3)
NBC Shakeup -- Jay Leno Comes Out on Top [tmz.com]

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We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.
No words on what will happen to Conan and Fallon... whether they both will get pushed back one hour of if one of them will be fired.

I prefer Leno at 11:30 than 10:00.
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03-03-2010 at 09:36 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:36 AM.
Agreed on Pippen, you're taking about a Top 50 player all time. It's fair to say he wouldn't have 6 rings without Jordan, but he'd be a top player on any team he played on. In '94 and '95, while Jordan was playing baseball, Pippen was first team All-NBA AND he went to the All-Star game both years, even winning AS MVP in '94.
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03-03-2010 at 09:43 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:43 AM.
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Err, he's been tremendously successful actually. Are you mistaking mainstream exposure for success? He's not a pop-star, he's a musician.
list some of his success for me without googling it.
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03-03-2010 at 09:50 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:50 AM.
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list some of his success for me without googling it.
He's put out over a dozen albums and has collaborated with a ton of other musicians. The point is, the tonight show band gig was NOT the high point of his career. He's a great musician, he's not a popular musician like the pretty faces you see on tv. If you asked me who was the better musician, Marsalis or Britney Spears, the answer is a no-brainer. Who do you see more on MTV or hear on Z100?

A musician's success is not tied to his popularity. Is Yo Yo Ma the best player of any instrument in any orchestra simply because he's the one who's name you know? Unlikely.
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beowulf7
03-03-2010 at 09:57 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:57 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Who says musicians crave notoriety? Again, these are not pop stars. The best trumpet and flute players in the world are probably playing in an orchestra somewhere, how many people know their names? Not all musicians yearn to make the Billboard 100.
I wasn't commenting on talent level but just popularity/notoriety/recognizability (pick your word). Those who aren't diehard Eubanks fans won't see him if he leaves Leno's show.

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+1 to Shaggy....

and Beowulf, why are you defending that troll douche bag? it wasn't your original post you were arguing right?
I didn't mean to defend anyone, but just wanted to say that if Eubanks leaves, I think it'll be a worse move for him in terms of the recognition factor and possibly monetary. However, it's true that money can't buy happiness and if Eubanks doesn't feel fulfilled in Leno's show and wants to do something else, then by all means he should go for it. I don't know why Richter originally left O'Brien's show, but in his case, it turned out to be something worthy of failblog. laugh out loud

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Actually Pippen would've been a NBA great even without Jordan

Pippen allowed Jordan focus more on the offensive side than defense.

if you read up on the interviews and comments of the Dream Team in 1992, everyone'll say Pippen was the key to the team, not Jordan or Magic.
He's just that versatile, running the point forward as well as lockdown defense from positions 1-4.

Proof is in the Bulls 1994 season after jordan's "retirement", Pippen basically carried them to the playoffs, and if it wasn't for a bogus touch foul they would've won the series against the knicks


And this is coming from a knicks fan
How many championships did Pippen win after he wasn't with the Bulls? I'm not saying that Pippen wasn't talented, but he wouldn't have won any w/o Jordan. I still think Jordan would've won w/o Pippen, but perhaps not as many. There's nothing wrong w/ being a #2 to the #1.
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03-03-2010 at 09:59 AM.
03-03-2010 at 09:59 AM.
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I wasn't commenting on talent level but just popularity/notoriety/recognizability (pick your word). Those who aren't diehard Eubanks fans won't see him if he leaves Leno's show.
Ok, but so what? Why should Eubanks crave that stuff? If he's a great musician then it should be obvious why he wants to go back on tour and get back in the studio, instead of wasting his time fronting a tv band for maybe 10 mins a night between segments. Why should a great musician want 300 ppl to hear him play 5 minute sets, and millions to hear him play 15 secs as the show transitions to commercials? That sounds like a freakin' nightmare to me, if I were a serious musician and not just a smiling face for Leno to bounce his lame jokes off of.

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How many championships did Pippen win after he wasn't with the Bulls? I'm not saying that Pippen wasn't talented, but he wouldn't have won any w/o Jordan. I still think Jordan would've won w/o Pippen, but perhaps not as many. There's nothing wrong w/ being a #2 to the #1.
How many championships did Jordan win without Pippen? How many times did he even get to a Conference semifinals, which Pippen did without him? Jordan has a sum total of ONE playoff win without Pippen. That's not one championship, it's not one series, it's ONE GAME. And those were some of the years when he was winning scoring titles with 37 ppg and shooting 52%, so it's not like he wasn't playing well. Meanwhile Pippen took the Bulls to the Conference semis both years Jordan was playing baseball, plus went to the Finals again with the Trail Blazers the year the Lakers won their first championship with Shaw and Kobe.

There's no question that Jordan was #1, but the notion that that diminishes Pippen somehow is dumb. Pippen has some more jewelry because of Jordan, that's all. He'd have been an all-time great and a Hall of Famer either way.
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03-03-2010 at 11:41 AM.
03-03-2010 at 11:41 AM.
Quote from shhaggy :
Ok, but so what? Why should Eubanks crave that stuff? If he's a great musician then it should be obvious why he wants to go back on tour and get back in the studio, instead of wasting his time fronting a tv band for maybe 10 mins a night between segments. Why should a great musician want 300 ppl to hear him play 5 minute sets, and millions to hear him play 15 secs as the show transitions to commercials? That sounds like a freakin' nightmare to me, if I were a serious musician and not just a smiling face for Leno to bounce his lame jokes off of.
You left out the other piece of my quote, where I pretty much said the same thing, but much more concisely.

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How many championships did Jordan win without Pippen? How many times did he even get to a Conference semifinals, which Pippen did without him? Jordan has a sum total of ONE playoff win without Pippen. That's not one championship, it's not one series, it's ONE GAME. And those were some of the years when he was winning scoring titles with 37 ppg and shooting 52%, so it's not like he wasn't playing well. Meanwhile Pippen took the Bulls to the Conference semis both years Jordan was playing baseball, plus went to the Finals again with the Trail Blazers the year the Lakers won their first championship with Shaw and Kobe.

There's no question that Jordan was #1, but the notion that that diminishes Pippen somehow is dumb. Pippen has some more jewelry because of Jordan, that's all. He'd have been an all-time great and a Hall of Famer either way.
Jordan played w/ some crappy teams after all of his retirements/unretirements. Pippen wouldn't have any jewelry and wouldn't be a HoF or Top 50 player w/o MJ.
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03-03-2010 at 11:52 AM.
03-03-2010 at 11:52 AM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
You left out the other piece of my quote, where I pretty much said the same thing, but much more concisely.


Jordan played w/ some crappy teams after all of his retirements/unretirements. Pippen wouldn't have any jewelry and wouldn't be a HoF or Top 50 player w/o MJ.
I put together a slew of reasons why he would have. He was an all-star and took teams deep into the playoffs without Jordan. And the Bulls were pretty similar before and after Pippen got there, but as soon as he did they started winning playoff series' instead of getting swept every year. Pippen is absolutely a Hall of Famer without Jordan, you put forth no evidence that he isn't. You saying it doesn't make it true.
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03-03-2010 at 11:55 AM.
03-03-2010 at 11:55 AM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
You left out the other piece of my quote, where I pretty much said the same thing, but much more concisely.
Yea but you dismiss it as Eubanks wanting to do "something else", as though he's taking a career turn for the worse because he's not happy. Eubanks is a musician, getting back into music instead of being a smiling face on TV is a great choice IMO. It shouldn't be about money or recognition. A monkey could do what he does on The Tonight Show, he has way too much talent for that. When his career as a musician is all said and done, his time on The Tonight Show will be a dark point in his career, not a high point. He's not creating or performing anything significant there. Just because more people see him does not make the job better.
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03-03-2010 at 12:29 PM.
03-03-2010 at 12:29 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Jordan played w/ some crappy teams after all of his retirements/unretirements. Pippen wouldn't have any jewelry and wouldn't be a HoF or Top 50 player w/o MJ.
so how does that explain jordan from 1985-1991?
6 year span where he was putting up lights out numbers, but no rings.

You can try to downplay pippen as much as you want, but pippen would definitely have been a HOF and a top 50 player without MJ even without the ring.
look at Patrick Ewing
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03-03-2010 at 01:18 PM.
03-03-2010 at 01:18 PM.
Leno sucks.
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03-03-2010 at 09:18 PM.
03-03-2010 at 09:18 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
I put together a slew of reasons why he would have. He was an all-star and took teams deep into the playoffs without Jordan. And the Bulls were pretty similar before and after Pippen got there, but as soon as he did they started winning playoff series' instead of getting swept every year. Pippen is absolutely a Hall of Famer without Jordan, you put forth no evidence that he isn't. You saying it doesn't make it true.
At the same time, your saying that Pippen would be in the HoF w/ or w/o Jordan doesn't make it true either. Wink

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Yea but you dismiss it as Eubanks wanting to do "something else", as though he's taking a career turn for the worse because he's not happy. Eubanks is a musician, getting back into music instead of being a smiling face on TV is a great choice IMO. It shouldn't be about money or recognition. A monkey could do what he does on The Tonight Show, he has way too much talent for that. When his career as a musician is all said and done, his time on The Tonight Show will be a dark point in his career, not a high point. He's not creating or performing anything significant there. Just because more people see him does not make the job better.
Like I said, it depends on what Eubanks' real motive is in leaving the Leno show, assuming he does. If he's doing it b/c he thinks he'll be more popular or make more $ elsewhere, I think he's mistaken, like Andy Richter was. If he's doing it b/c he wants to be a real musician and not be restricted to the format of a late night program, then by all means I wish Eubanks the best and hope his musical career flourishes.

Quote from azianai :
so how does that explain jordan from 1985-1991?
6 year span where he was putting up lights out numbers, but no rings.

You can try to downplay pippen as much as you want, but pippen would definitely have been a HOF and a top 50 player without MJ even without the ring.
look at Patrick Ewing
Well, I think we've all spent enough bits and bytes on Pippen and basketball (which was my bad for going off topic and bringing up), so I think it's best if we just stick to the topic of late night TV shows from here on. If you want to create a thread on Pippen, send me the link and I'll see you there. High Five

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Leno sucks.
You're in the minority: Leno's 'Tonight Show' takes top spot in ratings [cnn.com].



And: Jay Leno does it again [cnn.com].

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03-03-2010 at 09:28 PM.
03-03-2010 at 09:28 PM.
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Leno had 6.6 million total viewers in what Nielsen calls the "fast national" (that is, preliminary) ratings, in comparison to the 3.8 million who tuned in to David Letterman's "Late Show" and the 4.1 million who were watching "Nightline" on ABC.
Leno does it again woot High Five
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03-03-2010 at 11:59 PM.
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Leno does it again woot High Five
That is, Leno ruins the Tonight Show. Frown
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03-04-2010 at 12:07 AM.
03-04-2010 at 12:07 AM.
Quote from PhoenixFP :
Leno does it again woot High Five
it was his first episode. conan had higher ratings on his first episode. you need to wait till next week to get an accurate read on success.
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03-04-2010 at 12:08 AM.
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Quote from arjunsr :
it was his first episode. conan had higher ratings on his first episode. you need to wait till next week to get an accurate read on success.
EEK! Really?

I honestly don't give two shits though what his ratings are. He's better than Fallon, Ferguson or Letterman by a mile. That's all the reasoning I need to watch him.
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