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How a cell phone picture led to girl's suicide

5,315 707 October 23, 2010 at 02:46 PM in Chat (2)

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tresanus
10-25-2010 at 11:23 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:23 AM.
Quote from ForeverDcember :
How is it much different? She was embarassed and teased, he was embarassed and teased. Because it was her boobs it is different?

Teasing hurts, a lot. Go through it every day for a long period of time and it really gets to you. The difference is that her teasing was brought on by her own actions, actions that no 13 year old should be participating in. It doesn't make it right that she took her life, but she couldn't handle it. There are plenty of people to blame. The parents, the teachers, the social worker, the kids, the friends and even the girl.
Its different because he lets his emotions overtake his logic.
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Nikayla
10-25-2010 at 11:30 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:30 AM.
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And since I can read his post in the quote, I'll just say that - What happened to you happened once, in front of a handful of people.
What happened to this girl crossed several schools, the Internet, involved her naked body, and involved (what seemed to her like) her whole world over an extended period of time.

Apples/oranges.

Your experience of unrequited love doesn't even compare.
Don't forget 4th grade vs middle school.
Here is another unrequited love story from 4th grade:
I collected sea shells that I liked from a family vacation at the ocean. I spent a week making little holes in some them with a pin (my fingers hurt so bad!) so I could string them together for a boy I liked in 4th grade. I gave it to him after school one day. Well he took it to school so he could show everyone and then he took the necklace out at recess and smashed it with rocks in front of everyone while laughing at me with all his friends.
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tbird90
10-25-2010 at 11:33 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:33 AM.
Quote from tresanus :
First off, the lounge would be very lonely if we all started ignoring those who disagreed with our opinions.

The problem here is that people let emotions get involved with their logic. At 13 I am sure we all made mistakes but the difference here is taking responsibility for and learning from your mistakes. I don't think anyone here thinks the situation isn't horribly tragic and I am sure everyone here would prefer if it could have been adverted. That being said the 13 year old made a huge mistake by sending the pictures out but she made an even larger (exponentially) when she decided to take her own life.

My first thought would be the parenting. At 13 she should have the morals instilled that your "private" parts are meant to be private. What I don't understand is why everyone NEEDS to find someone/something to blame? Why do humans always find the need to take responsibility out of the individuals hands? Either we are capable of making our own decisions or we are not. If we are then we are responsible for the decisions that we do make.
I agree with what you say..I have a 13 year old and she would never think about taking pictures of herself like that she knows that her body is private!!!. What i would like to know is why the parents didn't know that she was taking pictures of herself and sending them to him???
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SlicKitty
10-25-2010 at 11:39 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:39 AM.
Quote from Nikayla :
Don't forget 4th grade vs middle school.
Here is another unrequited love story from 4th grade:
I collected sea shells that I liked from a family vacation at the ocean. I spent a week making little holes in some them with a pin (my fingers hurt so bad!) so I could string them together for a boy I liked in 4th grade. I gave it to him after school one day. Well he took it to school so he could show everyone and then he took the necklace out at recess and smashed it with rocks in front of everyone while laughing at me with all his friends.

hug

Jerk.

If you made me one, I'd wear it with pride, every day! Wink

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Carer.

Big Grin
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Phrozt
10-25-2010 at 11:42 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:42 AM.
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First off, that's not what I do.
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You two just earned a spot on my ignore list.
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The Ignore List grows.
Ok.......

Quote from Nikayla :
A very young girl who just made a mistake.
My peditration told me that there was a new study done and 100% (yes 100%!) of 13 year old girls have low to VERY low self esteem. He was shocked since he has a 13 yr old and didn't think she did. But after talking to his own 13 yr old realized she did struggle with self worth.
No shit!!! A LOT of kids at that age have low self esteem... it's called being a teenager!

So I guess it's ok for 100% of 13 year old girls to commit suicide because they all have low self esteem?? I mean wtf are you trying to prove here? If anything that just gives more credence that it's her own problem for committing suicide. All these other girls (100% of them no less!) have "low self esteem," yet they're wearing their favorite scarves, not hanging from them.
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ForeverDecember
10-25-2010 at 11:42 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:42 AM.
Quote from tbird90 :
I agree with what you say..I have a 13 year old and she would never think about taking pictures of herself like that she knows that her body is private!!!. What i would like to know is why the parents didn't know that she was taking pictures of herself and sending them to him???
Do you know every single last thing your kid does?
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Dr. J
10-25-2010 at 11:43 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:43 AM.
"The school dropped the ball," Donna Witsell said.
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False. Schools are not babysitters. Pay attention to your damned kids.

Here's what happened: stupid parents give their daughter a cell phone. Stupid daughter takes a picture of her boobs and sends it OUT OF HER HANDS FOREVER to some other kid. The other kid sends it all over the place.

Lessons:

Don't give your kids a cell phone. Give them a "firefly" or something for emergencies if you really want, but kids do not need to be connected 24x7.

Don't send anything you could consider risque out into the world - nude photos, photos of you drinking or doing illegal acts

Pay attention to your kids - how the hell did these parents not know about the bullying? The web pages?
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ForeverDecember
10-25-2010 at 11:47 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:47 AM.
Quote from Dr. J :
"The school dropped the ball," Donna Witsell said.
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False. Schools are not babysitters. Pay attention to your damned kids.

Here's what happened: stupid parents give their daughter a cell phone. Stupid daughter takes a picture of her boobs and sends it OUT OF HER HANDS FOREVER to some other kid. The other kid sends it all over the place.

Lessons:

Don't give your kids a cell phone. Give them a "firefly" or something for emergencies if you really want, but kids do not need to be connected 24x7.

Don't send anything you could consider risque out into the world - nude photos, photos of you drinking or doing illegal acts

Pay attention to your kids - how the hell did these parents not know about the bullying? The web pages?
The reason that the school "dropped the ball" is because they needed to notify the family of what they were doing with their daughter, preferably before hand.
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travisshyn
10-25-2010 at 11:57 AM.
10-25-2010 at 11:57 AM.
There are many good points here and some bad ones but I think that the girl who spread the picture should be charged with distributing child pornography.

Not necessarily because it's 100% right but to set an example for the kids.

Kids aren't held accountable for anything they do these days. It's always the schools, parents or teachers fault.

If a "kid" is able to call a 13 yo girl a "whore" then they should be held accountable as an adult.
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SlicKitty
10-25-2010 at 12:00 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:00 PM.
Quote from ForeverDcember :
Do you know every single last thing your kid does?

(S)he thinks (s)he does. laugh out loud
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Phrozt
10-25-2010 at 12:00 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:00 PM.
Quote from zurgboi :
If a "kid" is able to call a 13 yo girl a "whore" then they should be held accountable as an adult.
errrrrr.... wha? If every kid who called another kid an adult name was tried as an adult, you might as well turn schools into prisons because they'd already be housing the potential inmates...
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itxtwhlstdrvng
10-25-2010 at 12:10 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:10 PM.
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All I'm saying is that you make your own choices, face the consequences, and go on from there. Assigning blame to everyone but the person who made the choice(s) is sad. No one made her take the pic and send it out... no one made her kill herself. SHE chose those choices.
I agree with you. There's a consequence for every action regardless of whether or not it's fair.

There are also laws in society to prevent negative actions. You can tell someone to fark off and leave it at that. What you can't do is go up to them every day and tell them. You'd end up with a restraining order and then prison. This is to protect adults!

Kids are more vulnerable. Yet kids are allowed to bully with no severe repercussions. It's a flaw in the system. Her action did not warrant what she received. At some point it should have been stopped. The system needs to be fixed.

I feel bad for her family. They raised her and had all these dreams for her and now it's gone because of something stupid. Then to hear people calling her a whore after she's dead? Put yourself in their shoes. I can't even imagine. If I walked into my daughter's room and found her like that I'd be farked up for life. I'd try to keep it together for my family, but I'd have hardcore ptsd.
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Phrozt
10-25-2010 at 12:16 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:16 PM.
Quote from itxtwhlstdrvng :
Kids are more vulnerable. Yet kids are allowed to bully with no severe repercussions. It's a flaw in the system. Her action did not warrant what she received. At some point it should have been stopped. The system needs to be fixed
I absolutely agree that her action did not warrant the attention she received, nor to I agree w/any type of bullying, but at the same time, trying to fix society as a whole because of the actions of one person (I still think that there are a lot of people on this thread who seem to think that the suicide was anyone's fault but her own) isn't going to happen.

The best you can do is raise your own children to be good people and to try to influence their friends in a similar fashion.

I know you wish the system was fixed, but how? To think that no other girl/guy has ever sexted something of themselves and had it leaked is naive at best... the difference is that they didn't kill themselves when they subsequently received the hazing/bullying that most likely came in tow w/their actions. If we locked up every kid that taunted another kid, there would BE no more kids in school.

Hell, do you think the girl herself has never said anything mean or bullied another kid in some fashion or another? It happens. The fact that she committed suicide over it is her own fault.
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Claudia365
10-25-2010 at 12:18 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:18 PM.
I think the girl who spread the pic around should be charged but I also think some parents lack parenting skills. Many parents give their kids phones so they don't have to deal with their kids while at home. Kids are not being supervised and are being allowed to do stupid shit like this poor girl. As for the farkers who bullied her calling her names, they should be held accountable for helping this girl take her life.
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itxtwhlstdrvng
10-25-2010 at 12:21 PM.
10-25-2010 at 12:21 PM.
Quote from ForeverDcember :
How is it much different? She was embarassed and teased, he was embarassed and teased. Because it was her boobs it is different?
My point was that you can't presume to know the level of pain someone feels or the duration of that pain.

If we could magically say they felt the same levels of pain, and she killed herself and he didn't, then it would make sense to compare.

We can't do that.
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