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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

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Police pepper spray peaceful students
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11-21-2011 at 10:05 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:05 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
Pepper spray is violent.
Have you ever been sprayed by it? It hurts like hell.
It causes pain and injury.. isn't that the definition of violence?

I would rather the cops arrest the kids one by one. If the kids threw a punch, then the cops could use reasonable force. Remember, there was 35 friggin cops there, and only 50 protestors (and I think not all the 50 were on the sidewalk).
Are you telling me that 35 cops could not arrest 20-50 people?
It causes pain. But, what injury? Minor ocular superficial punctate keratitis which is treated with artificial tears. You get the same "injury" when you accidentally get soap in your eyes!

Did you read the report on how the kids were asked to leave prior? And, that most of them did leave peacefully? The pepper spraying was a last resort because a few refused to leave. They were warned though that if they didn't leave, they would get sprayed.

By the way, I went to UC Davis! It's just not a good thing having ppl camped out in the middle of the campus. They were part of the Occupy Movement. So, I'm sure they were planning on camping out there for a long time in tents and camping gear.
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11-21-2011 at 10:06 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:06 AM.
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How would you feel if your kid acted like an idiot, causing public outrage, caught on film, breaking the law like that?
Umm.. there were protests when I was in college.
The police stood by, made sure no one was hurt and then the crowd eventually got bored and left. Occasionally people were arrested.. I only remember one incident where someone tried to fight the cops, and he was quickly subdued (and that was justified by the police).. Most of these kids are not going to fight back.. Just cuff them and remove them. Again.. 35 cops in riot gear.. 50 protestors.. I think the cops had the numbers to keep the situation under control.

How is a few kids sitting on the sidewalk a public safety concern.. or a few tents pitched on the quad.. As I said earlier, the university doesn't seem to care when kids pitch tents for sporting events.

This is a case of some university officials and the police on a power trip.
I expect more maturity out of policemen than I do from college students and lounge posters.
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11-21-2011 at 10:10 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:10 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
Umm.. there were protests when I was in college.
The police stood by, made sure no one was hurt and then the crowd eventually got bored and left. Occasionally people were arrested.. I only remember one incident where someone tried to fight the cops, and he was quickly subdued (and that was justified by the police).. Most of these kids are not going to fight back.. Just cuff them and remove them. Again.. 35 cops in riot gear.. 50 protestors.. I think the cops had the numbers to keep the situation under control.

How is a few kids sitting on the sidewalk a public safety concern.. or a few tents pitched on the quad.. As I said earlier, the university doesn't seem to care when kids pitch tents for sporting events.

This is a case of some university officials and the police on a power trip.
I expect more maturity out of policemen than I do from college students and lounge posters.
I don't think those protests that you witnessed in your college lasted very long. Did they camp out there for days or weeks? Totally different scenario if you ask me!
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11-21-2011 at 10:10 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:10 AM.
Quote from z2g :
Would you rather have the police bring out the high-power water hose?

YES!!! That would be much more entertaining to watch nod
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11-21-2011 at 10:12 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:12 AM.
Quote from z2g :
It causes pain. But, what injury? Minor ocular superficial punctate keratitis which is treated with artificial tears. You get the same "injury" when you accidentally get soap in your eyes!
No, it's much worse than soap in your eyes. You've obviously never been sprayed with it.
Plus, no way for the cops to know whether it would cause asthama or an allergic reaction on the kids. It was irresponsible.

What did the cops do before pepper spray was invented? Didn't they arrest people that refused to comply? I think they did. The cops had the numbers to pull it off.
Instead Sargent Lardass in the picture was too lazy or maybe he just wanted the perverse pleasure of spraying the kids (much like some responders here are celebrating the action)
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11-21-2011 at 10:13 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:13 AM.
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Sigh.. when your kids get older and get exposed to police brutality, I am sure you'll feel different.
I'm starting to think that the cops should have brought each protestor home individually and then pepper sprayed the parents as well.
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11-21-2011 at 10:17 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:17 AM.
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I don't think those protests that you witnessed in your college lasted very long. Did they camp out there for days or weeks? Totally different scenario if you ask me!
People would camp out for basketball tickets for 3 weeks at a time.. There were tents, blocked sidewalks, people cooking food, excessive drinking, etc. This was hundreds of people..

Our university loved it. Since it was all about sports.

When it's 50 kids "occupying wall street", the administrators/police feel threatened (for what reason, I have no clue) and feel the need to force the kids to stop. The police/officials are morons.. this is only going to make the movement stronger and cause more problems.

Like I said, most of our protests did not last long because the university was smart and didn't show that they cared. If some kid wants to spend his whole freshman year camping out on the quad, is that really a big deal?
Most of the students are going to leave for Xmas break soon anyhow.. it would naturally disperse at that time.
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11-21-2011 at 10:18 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:18 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
No, it's much worse than soap in your eyes. You've obviously never been sprayed with it.
Plus, no way for the cops to know whether it would cause asthama or an allergic reaction on the kids. It was irresponsible.

What did the cops do before pepper spray was invented? Didn't they arrest people that refused to comply? I think they did. The cops had the numbers to pull it off.
Instead Sargent Lardass in the picture was too lazy or maybe he just wanted the perverse pleasure of spraying the kids (much like some responders here are celebrating the action)
Dude......I have friends and family who are cops. They had to get pepper sprayed as part of their training. Yes, it's very painful. But, it's certainly not a big deal as far as injury or health concerns. Also, I've treated patients who got pepper sprayed. It's not a serious eye injury!

You do know what's in pepper spray, right? It's just the active ingredient in peppers...capsaicin. It's like cutting peppers in your kitchen and accidentally touching your eyes.
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11-21-2011 at 10:20 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:20 AM.
Quote from Moot-N-Me :
There would not have been use of pepper spray (compliance tool) if these people would have got up off of their asses and obeyed the law. They were warned. They are clearly defiant in the beginning chanting fark the police and laughing.....and the one asking "are you going to shoot me?" These are little attention idiots that think they can do whatever they want and probably don't even know what they are protesting.

Picking them up one by one would have caused more of an issue......do you actually think they would just sit there and get cuffed and walk? No, from what I see there they would have fought back and then the billy clubs would have had to come out and then people would really be crying violence.

How would you feel if your kid acted like an idiot, causing public outrage, caught on film, breaking the law like that?
The police officers have to observe the situation and determine what their options are. As personal safety is a huge concern. Vs pulling the students out one by one and getting attacked. They students were sprayed. Which would also make for easier removal if need be.
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11-21-2011 at 10:23 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:23 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
No, it's much worse than soap in your eyes. You've obviously never been sprayed with it.
Plus, no way for the cops to know whether it would cause asthama or an allergic reaction on the kids. It was irresponsible.

What did the cops do before pepper spray was invented? Didn't they arrest people that refused to comply? I think they did. The cops had the numbers to pull it off.
Instead Sargent Lardass in the picture was too lazy or maybe he just wanted the perverse pleasure of spraying the kids (much like some responders here are celebrating the action)
Then the kids should have been like "Oh shit I am allergic to that stuff. Seeing as I am being warned it will be used, I better move".
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11-21-2011 at 10:25 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:25 AM.
I think from now on, the cops should use fart spray to deal with protesters who refuse to leave peacefully. Get really concentrated fart spray/bombs we used as kids. And, bomb the entire area. Keep doing it until the ppl can't stand the stench anymore.

Also, as I stated in a previous post, cordon off the area and let them stay there as long as they like. But, don't let anymore ppl enter to resupply them. Then, let the protesters get really hungry and thirsty. Even have lunch trucks parked nearby!LMAO
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11-21-2011 at 10:26 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:26 AM.
Quote from z2g :
Dude......I have friends and family who are cops. They had to get pepper sprayed as part of their training. Yes, it's very painful. But, it's certainly not a big deal as far as injury or health concerns. Also, I've treated patients who got pepper sprayed. It's not a serious eye injury!

You do know what's in pepper spray, right? It's just the active ingredient in peppers...capsaicin. It's like cutting peppers in your kitchen and accidentally touching your eyes.
One thing you have to remember though is that most of the occupy groups seem to be allergic to soap and water since they have such an aversion to bathing.

Maybe a better deterrent would have been to advance towards them with a can of deodorant--they probably all would have split without incident.
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11-21-2011 at 10:27 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:27 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
People would camp out for basketball tickets for 3 weeks at a time.. There were tents, blocked sidewalks, people cooking food, excessive drinking, etc. This was hundreds of people..

Our university loved it. Since it was all about sports.

When it's 50 kids "occupying wall street", the administrators/police feel threatened (for what reason, I have no clue) and feel the need to force the kids to stop. The police/officials are morons.. this is only going to make the movement stronger and cause more problems.

Like I said, most of our protests did not last long because the university was smart and didn't show that they cared. If some kid wants to spend his whole freshman year camping out on the quad, is that really a big deal?
Most of the students are going to leave for Xmas break soon anyhow.. it would naturally disperse at that time.
There is a huge difference between a sporting event and a gathering of this nature. They have to do there best to ensure order and safety. By them not allowing the tents, this helps to discourage others from partaking in the events. And reduces the over all stress of the crowd. The more people you get standing around the more likely shit will happen.

Perfect example would be dumb students violating the law, by blocking the sidewalk. Grats to all of the smart kids who didn't do stupid shit.
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11-21-2011 at 10:29 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:29 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
Umm.. there were protests when I was in college.
The police stood by, made sure no one was hurt and then the crowd eventually got bored and left. Occasionally people were arrested.. I only remember one incident where someone tried to fight the cops, and he was quickly subdued (and that was justified by the police).. Most of these kids are not going to fight back.. Just cuff them and remove them. Again.. 35 cops in riot gear.. 50 protestors.. I think the cops had the numbers to keep the situation under control.

How is a few kids sitting on the sidewalk a public safety concern.. or a few tents pitched on the quad.. As I said earlier, the university doesn't seem to care when kids pitch tents for sporting events.

This is a case of some university officials and the police on a power trip.
I expect more maturity out of policemen than I do from college students and lounge posters.
So you remember one incident where someone went against a police officer. That's one person. This is 50 and that could have resulted in a disaster if they fought back. These officers had to think of the saftey of the onlookers also. They used the most efficient way to get these people to move like they were asked but chose to push them to another method.

How do you know they weren't going to fight back? They were already breaking the law and being defiant and they very well could have had weapons. This was a very large group of very immature college students.
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11-21-2011 at 10:31 AM.
11-21-2011 at 10:31 AM.
Quote from jj.12321 :
People would camp out for basketball tickets for 3 weeks at a time.. There were tents, blocked sidewalks, people cooking food, excessive drinking, etc. This was hundreds of people..

Our university loved it. Since it was all about sports.

When it's 50 kids "occupying wall street", the administrators/police feel threatened (for what reason, I have no clue) and feel the need to force the kids to stop. The police/officials are morons.. this is only going to make the movement stronger and cause more problems.

Like I said, most of our protests did not last long because the university was smart and didn't show that they cared. If some kid wants to spend his whole freshman year camping out on the quad, is that really a big deal?
Most of the students are going to leave for Xmas break soon anyhow.. it would naturally disperse at that time.
If the Occupy Movement protests happened at your old colllege, they'll have a hard time justifying removal of the protests when they allow what you mentioned for sporting events. That's YOUR school's problem.

But at my school ( UC Davis too! ), they did NOT allow camping out on campus for sporting events and certainly NOT drinking on campus!

By the way, the campus at UC Davis will ticket bicyclists for speeding, not obeying traffic laws, and not having headlights on while riding your bike at night. So, these students know the cops in Davis and campus police don't mess around. They're certainly not going to let you camp out on campus for days or weeks! You can't even leave your bike locked up in the bike racks overnight on campus! LOL!!!!!!
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