Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

11-23-2011 at 12:43 PM.

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Remind me if these students represent the more than 50% of the 99% of Americans that don't pay taxes ...

Really 50% of americans don't pay any taxes.... I guess they must be shopping on Amazon all the time, and they live on the street and own no property, probably don't even drive a car...

Also I guess they cook their own food and never eat out either ( since eating out requires you to pay SALES TAX )

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11-23-2011 at 12:44 PM.

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Seems EXACTLY like what happened before this... except they were hosed down with non-lethal water

Damn LAWBREAKERS.... you got what you deserved...

Why didn't MLK and his band of blacks just listened to police and go home and NOT try to provoke anything...Why did they continue to lock arms and continue to march even after being told NOT to.... Damn they are "martyrs" too

Maybe if you were using a different example besides the CIvil Rights movement, you'd have someone on your side. But you continue to try and compare the protests then and the ones now. I have on interest in entertaining your dumbass ramblings that someone how the two deserve to be compared. Your showing photos from the protests back then, while good attempts at pulling at someones heartstrings do nothing fo your point. You're just clueless.

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11-23-2011 at 12:44 PM.

Meh...if someone is dedicated enough to sit or camp for days/hours at a time in a peaceful manner that's NOT really disrupting anyone, in an effort to voice their opinion, then more power to them. I don't give a shit what their views are, they have a right to voice them if they're within the law...which it seems to me like they were. I didn't see them blocking a door or anything, just that someone would have to walk on the grass for a few feet to get into the building behind them...and last I checked, college kids walk on the grass more than sidewalks anyway. Additionally, what LAW was initially being broken by them sitting there? I understand that the college admins may of had a hissyfit about it, but does that make it illegal? Some claimed "resisting arrest", but this goes back to my prior statement, WHAT were they being arrested for? You can't really resist arrest unless you're being arrested, can you?

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11-23-2011 at 12:46 PM.

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Meh...if someone is dedicated enough to sit or camp for days/hours at a time in a peaceful manner that's NOT really disrupting anyone, in an effort to voice their opinion, then more power to them. I don't give a shit what their views are, they have a right to voice them if they're within the law...which it seems to me like they were. I didn't see them blocking a door or anything, just that someone would have to walk on the grass for a few feet to get into the building behind them...and last I checked, college kids walk on the grass more than sidewalks anyway. Additionally, what LAW was initially being broken by them sitting there? I understand that the college admins may of had a hissyfit about it, but does that make it illegal? Some claimed "resisting arrest", but this goes back to my prior statement, WHAT were they being arrested for? You can't really resist arrest unless you're being arrested, can you?

I'm fairly certain it's illegal to block a public walkway.

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11-23-2011 at 12:48 PM.

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Meh...if someone is dedicated enough to sit or camp for days/hours at a time in a peaceful manner that's NOT really disrupting anyone, in an effort to voice their opinion, then more power to them. I don't give a shit what their views are, they have a right to voice them if they're within the law...which it seems to me like they were. I didn't see them blocking a door or anything, just that someone would have to walk on the grass for a few feet to get into the building behind them...and last I checked, college kids walk on the grass more than sidewalks anyway. Additionally, what LAW was initially being broken by them sitting there? I understand that the college admins may of had a hissyfit about it, but does that make it illegal? Some claimed "resisting arrest", but this goes back to my prior statement, WHAT were they being arrested for? You can't really resist arrest unless you're being arrested, can you?

What about any handicapped kids, senior citizens, those with disabilities? These people should have to suffer because these kids are being inconsiderate of the other students/facility?

It is against the law to block a sidwalk. Not to hard to sum up.

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11-23-2011 at 12:49 PM.

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Maybe if you were using a different example besides the CIvil Rights movement, you'd have someone on your side. But you continue to try and compare the protests then and the ones now. I have on interest in entertaining your dumbass ramblings that someone how the two deserve to be compared. Your showing photos from the protests back then, while good attempts at pulling at someones heartstrings do nothing fo your point. You're just clueless.

Protesting is protesting, both PROTECTED by the Constitution and if you don't like it, I hear plenty of country welcome people who bow to their gov't

It don't matter if you are protesting for equal rights to protesting that you want a sandwich.. They are ALL PROTECTED

You think one group protesting for equal protection is better then another group protesting for financial equality..
after all how dare you protest against the rich

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11-23-2011 at 12:50 PM.

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The police tried to get them to move, several times. Your right it was an ego thing, for the kids.

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whats the point of blocking the sidewalk except for showing disrespect for the rules/authority?
The school wasn't preventing them from protesting, they were just making sure the protests weren't interfering with those who don't care about the protest cause.

You make a valid point here. The students could of handled it differently. However, I didn't see anything in the video/article that warranted the need for pepper spray (other than police ego). Does it mention if anyone (from the college) even asked the students if they could just slide over some and they would be allowed to continue to protest? I'd be willing to bet that never happened. What's more likely, IMO, is that some college admin staff came down and TOLD them to move (which I'm sure he'd be well within his authority to do so), but in a manner that would leave anyone standoffish and resistant. At that point the cops were probably called to remove them. Again...just my opinion, as I don't know the whole story.

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11-23-2011 at 12:51 PM.

I don't think you even know what you're arguing at this point..

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11-23-2011 at 12:51 PM.

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Protesting is protesting, both PROTECTED by the Constitution and if you don't like it, I hear plenty of country welcome people who bow to their gov't

It don't matter if you are protesting for equal rights to protesting that you want a sandwich.. They are ALL PROTECTED

You think one group protesting for equal protection is better then another group protesting for financial equality..
after all how dare you protest against the rich

So, is it or is not Landers constitutional right to put you in your place and remind you how legally weak your argument is?

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11-23-2011 at 12:52 PM.

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I'm fairly certain it's illegal to block a public walkway.

I'm fairly sure it is illegal to walk or block streets designated for CAR traffic too..

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11-23-2011 at 12:52 PM.

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You make a valid point here. The students could of handled it differently. However, I didn't see anything in the video/article that warranted the need for pepper spray (other than police ego). Does it mention if anyone (from the college) even asked the students if they could just slide over some and they would be allowed to continue to protest? I'd be willing to bet that never happened. What's more likely, IMO, is that some college admin staff came down and TOLD them to move (which I'm sure he'd be well within his authority to do so), but in a manner that would leave anyone standoffish and resistant. At that point the cops were probably called to remove them. Again...just my opinion, as I don't know the whole story.

Yes. They told them they needed to move off the sidewalk. All the other protesters (not on the sidewalk) weren't being arrested. They were warned by the police and by the college (written warnings I believe) that they would...

You know what, why am i typing this all out again. Read the damn thread, this has already been discussed repeatedly and explained earlier in the thread.

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I'm fairly sure it is illegal to walk or block streets designated for CAR traffic too..

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11-23-2011 at 12:53 PM.

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I don't think you even know what you're arguing at this point..

Ryu is basically a pro-anarchist who sit in the Podium reminding us how terrible our government is and how the people need to tear down the establishment.

The funny thing is, I don't want to live under the hellish plantation that people like Ryu and his fellow occupiers would enslave me and the rest of us in.

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I'm fairly sure it is illegal to walk or block streets designated for CAR traffic too..

MLK was probably smart enough to get a permit.

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11-23-2011 at 12:54 PM.

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What about any handicapped kids, senior citizens, those with disabilities? These people should have to suffer because these kids are being inconsiderate of the other students/facility?

It is against the law to block a sidwalk. Not to hard to sum up.

Really were there handicap and senior citizens complaining that a bunch of students were blocking the roadway?

or

did school administrator come down and see a MESSAGE THEY DID NOT LIKE and want the po-pos to do something about it.. So the po-pos started looking at their list of laws that they can use or make up as a excuse to STOP THE MESSAGE

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11-23-2011 at 12:55 PM.

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Yes. They told them they needed to move off the sidewalk. All the other protesters (not on the sidewalk) weren't being arrested. They were warned by the police and by the college (written warnings I believe) that they would..

They did receive written warnings and verbal orders and refused to comply.

They made a scene in an effort to gain sympathy for their cause. It largely worked, unfortunately.

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11-23-2011 at 12:55 PM.

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I'm fairly certain it's illegal to block a public walkway.

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What about any handicapped kids, senior citizens, those with disabilities? These people should have to suffer because these kids are being inconsiderate of the other students/facility?

It is against the law to block a sidwalk. Not to hard to sum up.

Wait...I thought it was a pricate college campus? If so, that's not public. And we can play the "if" game all day if you want. I'd be willing to bet that if a senior citizen, person in a wheelchair, etc walked up to them, they'd gladly move aside and let them through. If someone is levelheaded enough to have a peaceful protest to voice their opinions, what automatically makes you guys think that they would choose to be dickheads to everyone? How exactly would that help their cause and help them gain supporters? Some of these hypothetical scenarios that people come up just don't seem like they have an iota of thought put into them.