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Another theory on obesity

8,799 168 February 10, 2012 at 06:25 AM in Grocery Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

There are many theories on the causes of obesity. Some say too much fat, too many calories. Ironically, many of the modern diets have generally failed to fix the problem.

The above video is long. For people who will reply with tl;dr here is the synopsis:



Watch it if you get a chance. I really enjoyed it and found it both eye opening and informative, without needing some shock factor or sex to sell it. It follows a simple premise and makes a lot of sense.

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02-10-2012 at 07:23 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:23 AM.
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I don't doubt it, and i don't disagree with him/you that sugar is a major problem. I'm only saying it's not the only one.

Where did I say "it's the only one"?
Things generally have primary and secondary causes. Going after the big ones tends to have better results than going after the lower impact items.
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vec
02-10-2012 at 07:23 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:23 AM.
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Replying in this thread.

If you're nothing will change your mind, why even discuss something?
I said you can't change my mind about formula. No way, no how. That's all I ever allowed for my kids. I never allowed my wife to breast feed. No fat kids in my house. No fat kids in other households that I know that do the same thing as I did. There is a thread dedicated to this subject here in the Lounge. I am not starting that debate again. laugh out loud

I am in this thread defending sugar. It's getting a bad rap for no reason. People are at fault for their own obesity. It's irresponsible for them to blame sugar.
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02-10-2012 at 07:26 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:26 AM.
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I said you can't change my mind about formula. No way, no how. That's all I ever allowed for my kids. I never allowed my wife to breast feed. Not fat kids in my house. No fat kids in other households that I know that do the same thing as I did. There is a thread dedicated to this subject here in the Lounge. I am not starting that debate again. laugh out loud

I am in this thread defending sugar. It's getting a bad rap for no reason. People are at fault for their own obesity. It's irresponsible for them to blame sugar.

The epidemic of obese 6 month old children almost exclusively involves formula fed babies.

The guy never says sugar should be illegal. He says there should be a tax on sugar (in a diff youtube video). I don't agree with his stance on taxing sugar, but his lecture on obesity and sugar is very well done and well thought out.
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02-10-2012 at 07:26 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:26 AM.
I'd rather have real sugar than the fake stuff too! Hehe!
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vec
02-10-2012 at 07:30 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:30 AM.
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The epidemic of obese 6 month old children almost exclusively involves formula fed babies.

The guy never says sugar should be illegal. He says there should be a tax on sugar (in a diff youtube video). I don't agree with his stance on taxing sugar, but his lecture on obesity and sugar is very well done and well thought out.
I can't buy the formula conspiracy. Like I said, that's all that I ever allowed in my house. The latest being in 2010.

Maybe these kids are given too much formula. Maybe they are taking in too many calories. When you have too many maybes then there is a missing factor or two. When in doubt, blame the parents.


BTW, babies could exercise too. I did exercises with my kids starting from the day after they were born. Moving their legs like they are pedaling a bicycle. Moving their arms like they are swimming.

Exercise is the key to solving the obesity problem in this country.
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02-10-2012 at 07:31 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:31 AM.
Quote from vec :
I never allowed my wife to breast feed. .
You lucky bastard! Are you saying that your wife has preserved her funbags for you all these years? Why the hell didn't I think about that?!?!?!?! Mad
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02-10-2012 at 07:32 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:32 AM.
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Yes it does. Look at the fat content they are getting from their mothers. Show me one fat baby with a mother that eats healthy. Plus you're going to have to define what an obese baby is considering babies are suppose to have considerably more fat on them than an adult. I don't get why mothers complain that their babies are fat and fussy when breastfeeding after they've eaten nothing but big macs, lasagna, and coke after coke. Also consider that most of the babies are on some sort of formula or cereal, both of which are loaded down with calories. And I don't see too many babies running marathons to combat all of those calories.

Let the defensive mothers begin the Die Spam

I can't watch the video b/c it's blocked at work.
That's because there's a genetic factor. You act like you've isolated a variable but you really haven't. Kids, particularly once they become teenagers, tend to not eat healthy. Any kid. Their metabolisms usually combat that since they tend to be higher at a younger age, plus they tend to be more active. But there're kids whose behaviors are the same and yet aren't in the same shape. I was always fatter than my friends, and we all ate pizza and cokes and we all played football or basketball all the time. I didn't sit on my fat ass or sneak extra big macs, our behaviors were the same.
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02-10-2012 at 07:32 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:32 AM.
Quote from mohater :
The epidemic of obese 6 month old children almost exclusively involves formula fed babies.

The guy never says sugar should be illegal. He says there should be a tax on sugar (in a diff youtube video). I don't agree with his stance on taxing sugar, but his lecture on obesity and sugar is very well done and well thought out.
And THERE'S your underlying agenda! Whee
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02-10-2012 at 07:33 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:33 AM.
Quote from vec :
I can't buy the formula conspiracy. Like I said, that's all that I ever allowed in my house. The latest being in 2010.

Maybe these kids are given too much formula. Maybe they are taking in too many calories. When you have too many maybes then there is a missing factor or two. When in doubt, blame the parents.
Ding ding ding.

The whole "must finish the bottle" mentality since it's formula and how fast formula kids move to solids (and parents unwilling to deal with "fussy eaters" let the kids eat garbage).

The guy doesn't blame sugar, he blames how much of it is in everything given the desire for food to be cheap (and a president who pushed for making food cheap in a re-election year).

We don't disagree. Watch the video when you have time and let me know if you're still not convinced.

Quote from mohater :
The epidemic of obese 6 month old children almost exclusively involves formula fed babies.

The guy never says sugar should be illegal. He says there should be a tax on sugar (in a diff youtube video). I don't agree with his stance on taxing sugar, but his lecture on obesity and sugar is very well done and well thought out.
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And THERE'S your underlying agenda! Whee
Really?
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02-10-2012 at 07:36 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:36 AM.
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Max! Where ya been buddy?
Haven't talked to you in a while, been busy with life and work and such. Plus to add in a cliché, the lounge really has gone downhill Wink

Quote from vec :
My views on formula are very well documented here in the Lounge. You could research that or wait for Max or Mal to comment on it.

There is no possible way that you could convince me that formula makes babies fat.
Formula does not make babies fat on it's own. It's parents who don't use portion control, hence the obese babies.

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02-10-2012 at 07:40 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:40 AM.
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Ding ding ding.

The whole "must finish the bottle" mentality since it's formula and how fast formula kids move to solids (and parents unwilling to deal with "fussy eaters" let the kids eat garbage).

The guy doesn't blame sugar, he blames how much of it is in everything given the desire for food to be cheap (and a president who pushed for making food cheap in a re-election year).

We don't disagree. Watch the video when you have time and let me know if you're still not convinced.




Really?

No. There's no underlying agenda at work here? Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. Facepalm
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02-10-2012 at 07:43 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:43 AM.
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No. There's no underlying agenda at work here? Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain. Facepalm
He's a doctor who treats obese kids. He's not some Washington Lobbyist trying to push legislation to fatten his pocket book. He benefits nothing from taxing sugar (in fact, if kids are healthier, his patient base will go down since his specialty is pediatric endocrinology focusing on obese children and he'll probably make less money).

PS: That's not MY underlying agenda.
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02-10-2012 at 07:45 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:45 AM.
Quote from mohater :
The problem is sugar - PERIOD
Quote from mohater :
The guy doesn't blame sugar
Confused

Also, you admitted that the problem isn't sugar, it's portion control. Which is what was said since the beginning of this thread.
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02-10-2012 at 07:45 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:45 AM.
Quote from mohater :
He's a doctor who treats obese kids. He's not some Washington Lobbyist trying to push legislation to fatten his pocket book. He benefits nothing from taxing sugar (in fact, if kids are healthier, his patient base will go down since his specialty is pediatric endocrinology focusing on obese children and he'll probably make less money).
Or he'll be paid as a lobbyist for successfully leading the charge or recruiting others to get a tax on sugar. Or he'll then run for some sort of local or state office. Or he'll get a job with a pharmaceutical company. Or he'll get a job like a chief of staff for a politician. Yeah....he has nothing to gain from this.

Sorry, but just the mention of government and politics in his argument or solution negates any chance of altruism.
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02-10-2012 at 07:46 AM.
02-10-2012 at 07:46 AM.
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Ding ding ding.

The whole "must finish the bottle" mentality since it's formula and how fast formula kids move to solids (and parents unwilling to deal with "fussy eaters" let the kids eat garbage).

The guy doesn't blame sugar, he blames how much of it is in everything given the desire for food to be cheap (and a president who pushed for making food cheap in a re-election year).

We don't disagree. Watch the video when you have time and let me know if you're still not convinced.
OK, so we agree about moderation. This was my argument the entire time (along with exercise)

Like I said, I love my junk food. I do not stop my kids from having junk food. I just have the rules that go along with it.

I am fine with sugar. I will never blame sugar for the problem. I will always blame the schools, I will always blame the parents, I will always blame the government for their incorrect agenda of dumping money into food programs in schools instead of the physical education programs. On the latter, I don't care if schools sell cookies or Twinkies or whatever as long as they don't cut out physical education. Unfortunately, Phys Ed is the first thing that gets cut.

My entire argument in this thread is based on the first line in your spoiler: The problem is sugar - PERIOD.
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