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Am I required to disclose this information before having sex?

7,598 277 March 29, 2007 at 05:33 AM in Question
My girlfriend was informed by her gynocologist that she has the human papillomavirus, or HPV. It's impossible to tell who had it first, but I'm most likely a carrier now as well. For those of you who don't know, HPV is a virus that's said to be a prerequisite for cervical cancer in women. Men can carry the virus, but it's nearly harmless for them.

Some HPV facts from wikipedia:
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HPV is the most common sexual transmitted infection in the United States. In the United States approximately 20-million people are currently infected with HPV about 6.2 million Americans will get infected with genital HPV this year.

24.5% prevalence of HPV among females 14 to 19 years old
44.8% prevalence of HPV among females 20 to 24 years old
27.4% prevalence of HPV among females 25 to 29 years old
27.5% prevalence of HPV among females 30 to 39 years old
25.2% prevalence of HPV among females 40 to 49 years old
19.6% prevalence of HPV among females 50 to 59 years old

In the absence of Pap testing or treatment, about 1% of women with genital HPV infections will eventually go on to develop cervical cancer.

Women who have Pap testing or other cervical cancer screenings on a regular basis dramatically decrease their chances of developing cervical cancer.

A 2006 study of 82 college students suggests that condoms can be up to 70% effective for preventing genital HPV infection if used for every sexual encounter.
Here's my question. Am I required to disclose this information before having relations with another woman? I have a feeling that everyone's kneejerk reaction will be "yes", but please consider the following. There's a huge chance that the woman already has the virus, and if she doesn't already she'll probably get it in the future*. With a condom, she probably won't get it from me anyway. With pap testing, there's a very very low risk of cancer. And quite frankly, I feel that she won't know all the facts and will think it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

Thoughts?







*Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that more than 50% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood.[7]

The American Social Health Association projections in 2006 were yet more pessimistic, predicting that about 75% of the reproductive population will have been infected with genital HPV infection in their lifetime.
Would YOU disclose that you're an HPV carrier? (please read the wiki facts first)
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scorpioguy
03-29-2007 at 09:02 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:02 AM.
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maybe the best i think is this: get tested(both) for the whole STD line and then share results...
yea they should make a dating pre sex checklist. check of the boxes and if it goes above a certain score...you are $hit outta luck. laugh out loud
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Saxidani
03-29-2007 at 09:02 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:02 AM.
Quote from Caydensmom :
a lil OT - the last pregnancy I had they asked if I wanted HIV/STD testing. I was a lil put back because with all my other pregnancies I had not been asked this. The nurse explained to me they are required by law to ask this now. I am not sure if this is just new to PA or everwhere but I found it interesting and thought I'd share.
Happened to me in 04 in VT. I think it is standard procedure now....
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Brynn
03-29-2007 at 09:03 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:03 AM.
Quote from thegoalie :
This highlights the point I was trying to make in the OP. Having the virus should not be devistating. I suspect that your friends didn't know all of the facts.

Remember that with pap screenings, acquiring cancer is "significantly" less than 1%. They're still more likely to develop other types of cancers, such as breast or lung (if they smoke). Further, some studies show that 85% of people will be exposed to HPV in their lifetime.

Riding in a car on the highway is statistically far more dangerous than HPV. Are your friends devistated everytime they find out they have to take a roadtrip?
First of all, let me say that about 2 years ago when I had a routine pap, it came back showing cervical dysplasia, with precancerous cells. More than likely, this was caused by a strain of HPV. I had to have the biopsy, colposcopy, and cryosurgery that PG spoke of. Now that you have those facts, I'll give my opinion:

You say that with pap screenings, it's highly unlikely for anyone to develop cancer. Do you realize though, that means that if a form of HPV is found and it's thought that it could develop into cancer, that it requires *treatment* (usually invasive, at that), in order for it not to develop into cancer? So just because you might give it to someone, and as long as they go for their pap to be checked, doesn't mean that they won't have problems, even though it may not be cancer. Who wants to think, "Well, who cares what I have to go through to prevent the cancer from coming as long as it doesn't?" Yes, cancer is the worst case scenario, but it doesn't make the other alternatives any more pleasant. Many treatments can become painful, costly, and time-consuming.



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Greer, like I said before, I'm not 100% in the yes crowd. Sex is risky! That's the way it is. I didn't make it that way.

The chances that a woman will have sex with me and end up dying from cervical cancer from ME are next to nill. There's a far greater chance that I'll kill a woman by crashing my car on the highway, but everyone still drives, right? Because driving is also a risky behavior, and you accept the risks.

Further, I understand that any woman I'm with might have an STD and may or may not be aware of it. But I'm not hiding under a rock.

That said, I know the difference between right and wrong. I know that the right thing to do is tell*. But I'm far from the "YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or you'll go to hell!" crowd.


*Once I find out more information. Specifically, if I even have the virus! We're all assuming it's permanent which might be an incorrect assumption.
As I mentioned, she may not ultimately *die* from having sex with you, but chances are, given the choice, a woman would probably like to know about the chances of her developing any type, strain, or form of disease at all. Just because some strains don't cause cancer doesn't mean a woman won't mind contracting it. Who's to say that those strains don't cause problems that aren't known about yet?

To sum it up, I think almost everyone woman would want to know that there's a chance they could contract a disease, no matter how fatal it could be. And now that you know there's the chance you could give something to a woman, it's your responsibility to let her know and make her own decisions.
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Caydensmom
03-29-2007 at 09:04 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:04 AM.
Quote from ~Kimber~ :
Happened to me too, in March of 05, I'm in MA.
Cayden was born in 04 and I wasn't asked then. I have a feeling this is more preventative but with the new privacy laws even if people do get tested who knows if they will tell their SO's or not. It seems like a catch 22.
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:06 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:06 AM.
Quote from scorpioguy :
yea whip out the "medical journal to go" and i am sure its pg.64 under section "yes i am that horny" of the manual for stds that ALL women carry in their purses...that must be why it weighs so much.LMAO LMAO LMAO
p.s. no personal reference of any kind..just a funny.
That's why people should seriously consider what they are doing when they want to have sex with someone.

You make rash decisions and you get yourself into trouble - if not with an STD, then in some other way.
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scorpioguy
03-29-2007 at 09:12 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:12 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
That's why people should seriously consider what they are doing when they want to have sex with someone.

You make rash decisions and you get yourself into trouble - if not with an STD, then in some other way.
i agree that people should consider what they are doing when they want to have sex with someone, choices like do i PIITB or do i not PIITB are hard to make....could get you into a whole lotta $hit....literally.LMAO LMAO LMAO
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03-29-2007 at 09:14 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:14 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
That's why people should seriously consider what they are doing when they want to have sex with someone.

You make rash decisions and you get yourself into trouble - if not with an STD, then in some other way.
Iagree

There is also that cancer you can get that only lasts nine month, but changes your life forever.
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Caydensmom
03-29-2007 at 09:14 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:14 AM.
Someone should invent a test you can carry around with you so you can literally test the person before you get your freak on Thumbup
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nyquilusa
03-29-2007 at 09:16 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:16 AM.
Do I have a strain of HPV that may someday give me cancer? Yep. Would I tell my next partner? Yes, but I don't ever intend to have another, and my fiance didn't know he had it. You do. The question is are you willing to do the right thing, knowing what you are exposing your partner to.

There is a chance the girl would already have it, but yes, you should disclose this information. If you don't, you will very likely pass it on to her. What happens then?

Within the next year or two she'll have an abnormal pap. Once the infection shows up on her next pap smear the girl will have to get a colposcopy to determine what kind it is. A colposcopy is where they biopsy the cervix - yes, they cut out several small chunks of her cervix for testing. This does not feel pleasant, like pinching at your bellybutton from the inside.

After running tests they may have to have her come back for a leep procedure.
"LEEP uses a thin wire loop electrode which is attached to an electrosurgical generator. The generator transmits a painless electrical current that quickly cuts away the affected cervical tissue in the immediate area of the loop wire. This causes the abnormal cells to rapidly heat and burst, and separates the tissue as the loop wire moves through the cervix." http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/...cedure.htm

Painless my ass. They use a thin electrified wire to scrape at the girl's cervix and burn off the dysplasia. You feel like you're going to throw up, and during the procedure there is a burning smell and possibly some smoke coming from the vagina.

Do you seriously think you could knowingly expose someone to this and not even tell them??

And why are you starting a thread called "Am I required to disclose this information before having sex?" (about whether you should tell other girls you want to have sex with that you in all probability carry this disease) when you currenty have a girlfriend?
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~Kimber~
03-29-2007 at 09:17 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:17 AM.
One point that I don't think people even have realized to it's full extent is that there are many different strains of this disease.

Let's say you have A variety, which is the less dangerous version and your new potential partner has B variety, which is more dangerous. Do you go forward?
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
Quote from nyquilusa :
After running tests they may have to have her come back for a leep procedure.
"LEEP uses a thin wire loop electrode which is attached to an electrosurgical generator. The generator transmits a painless electrical current that quickly cuts away the affected cervical tissue in the immediate area of the loop wire. This causes the abnormal cells to rapidly heat and burst, and separates the tissue as the loop wire moves through the cervix." http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/...cedure.htm

Painless my ass. They use a thin electrified wire to scrape at the girl's cervix and burn off the dysplasia. You feel like you're going to throw up, and during the procedure there is a burning smell and possibly some smoke coming from the vagina.
Ouch! I am so glad my gyno didn't choose that method. He froze mine off... it still hurt though- I had severe cramping for several days afterwards.
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scorpioguy
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
Quote from ~Kimber~ :
One point that I don't think people even have realized to it's full extent is that there are many different strains of this disease.

Let's say you have A variety, which is the less dangerous version and your new potential partner has B variety, which is more dangerous. Do you go forward?
then i bet the OP would wish she was upfront about it...LMAO LMAO
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:19 AM.
Quote from ~Kimber~ :
One point that I don't think people even have realized to it's full extent is that there are many different strains of this disease.

Let's say you have A variety, which is the less dangerous version and your new potential partner has B variety, which is more dangerous. Do you go forward?
Nope. Unless he is my husband. At which point, I'll have to think of something else. laugh out loud
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scorpioguy
03-29-2007 at 09:27 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:27 AM.
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Nope. Unless he is my husband. At which point, I'll have to think of something else. laugh out loud
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03-29-2007 at 09:28 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:28 AM.
Quote from thegoalie :
I know that it's not the wart variety, because I don't show any symptoms.

Are you married? If not, am I to assume that you inform your partners that you carry the virus if you do? Do you even KNOW if you do?
MAN.. IF U SPREAD THAT THING AROUND, IN SO MANY YEARS, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE CUZ OF YOUR SEXUAL DESIRE...
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