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Am I required to disclose this information before having sex?

7,598 277 March 29, 2007 at 05:33 AM in Question
My girlfriend was informed by her gynocologist that she has the human papillomavirus, or HPV. It's impossible to tell who had it first, but I'm most likely a carrier now as well. For those of you who don't know, HPV is a virus that's said to be a prerequisite for cervical cancer in women. Men can carry the virus, but it's nearly harmless for them.

Some HPV facts from wikipedia:
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HPV is the most common sexual transmitted infection in the United States. In the United States approximately 20-million people are currently infected with HPV about 6.2 million Americans will get infected with genital HPV this year.

24.5% prevalence of HPV among females 14 to 19 years old
44.8% prevalence of HPV among females 20 to 24 years old
27.4% prevalence of HPV among females 25 to 29 years old
27.5% prevalence of HPV among females 30 to 39 years old
25.2% prevalence of HPV among females 40 to 49 years old
19.6% prevalence of HPV among females 50 to 59 years old

In the absence of Pap testing or treatment, about 1% of women with genital HPV infections will eventually go on to develop cervical cancer.

Women who have Pap testing or other cervical cancer screenings on a regular basis dramatically decrease their chances of developing cervical cancer.

A 2006 study of 82 college students suggests that condoms can be up to 70% effective for preventing genital HPV infection if used for every sexual encounter.
Here's my question. Am I required to disclose this information before having relations with another woman? I have a feeling that everyone's kneejerk reaction will be "yes", but please consider the following. There's a huge chance that the woman already has the virus, and if she doesn't already she'll probably get it in the future*. With a condom, she probably won't get it from me anyway. With pap testing, there's a very very low risk of cancer. And quite frankly, I feel that she won't know all the facts and will think it's a bigger deal than it actually is.

Thoughts?







*Genital HPV infection is very common, with estimates suggesting that more than 50% of women will become infected with one or more of the sexually transmitted HPV types at some point during adulthood.[7]

The American Social Health Association projections in 2006 were yet more pessimistic, predicting that about 75% of the reproductive population will have been infected with genital HPV infection in their lifetime.
Would YOU disclose that you're an HPV carrier? (please read the wiki facts first)
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riverjack
03-29-2007 at 09:29 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:29 AM.
I Think personally I would like to know in advance-If you knew before you were going to jump in the sack with someone new.That would be the responsible thing to do. Is to warn them- Then wrap that thing up!
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Brynn
03-29-2007 at 09:35 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:35 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
Ouch! I am so glad my gyno didn't choose that method. He froze mine off... it still hurt though- I had severe cramping for several days afterwards.
I had lots of cramping during and after the procedure. It also made me so light-headed that I passed out while walking to the counter to pay my co-pay. It's not pleasant and shouldn't be looked at as, "Well, she can prevent the cancer I could possibly cause if she'd just have her paps and get these things done..."
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:38 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:38 AM.
Quote from MrsMcDreamy :
I had lots of cramping during and after the procedure. It also made me so light-headed that I passed out while walking to the counter to pay my co-pay. It's not pleasant and shouldn't be looked at as, "Well, she can prevent the cancer I could possibly cause if she'd just have her paps and get these things done..."
I felt like I was going to pass out too. All I know is I spent the next two days in bed because it hurt to move... I never want to go through that again!
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Brynn
03-29-2007 at 09:41 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:41 AM.
Oh, and yes, my girls will be vaccinated when they get to the appropriate age also. I know it doesn't protect against all strains, but any protection available is better than none.

Which also brings up this point: If you had a little girl, aside from the fact that you wouldn't want to think of her being sexually active at all and hope she makes the right decision, would you want a guy to tell her if he may carry something that could cause her harm?
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Caydensmom
03-29-2007 at 09:43 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:43 AM.
Quote from PassionateGray :
I felt like I was going to pass out too. All I know is I spent the next two days in bed because it hurt to move... I never want to go through that again!
I know this is going to sound bitchy which is NOT my intention but do you think if Men knew how painful these proceedures are for women they would feel differently? I admit I do not know how painful circumcision is but I do know how painful childbirth, cramping, etc etc is. Do you think if they could experience any of this they might be more open to disclosing? Just a thought.
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:43 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:43 AM.
Quote from MrsMcDreamy :
Oh, and yes, my girls will be vaccinated when they get to the appropriate age also. I know it doesn't protect against all strains, but any protection available is better than none.

Which also brings up this point: If you had a little girl, aside from the fact that you wouldn't want to think of her being sexually active at all and hope she makes the right decision, would you want a guy to tell her if he may carry something that could cause her harm?
I am going to get my kids vaccinated too. I will teach abstinence but I do not want anything to happen even if they do remain abstinent and they marry someone who was not.
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GirlRacer
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
Quote from nyquilusa :
Within the next year or two she'll have an abnormal pap. Once the infection shows up on her next pap smear the girl will have to get a colposcopy to determine what kind it is. A colposcopy is where they biopsy the cervix - yes, they cut out several small chunks of her cervix for testing. This does not feel pleasant, like pinching at your bellybutton from the inside.

After running tests they may have to have her come back for a leep procedure.
"LEEP uses a thin wire loop electrode which is attached to an electrosurgical generator. The generator transmits a painless electrical current that quickly cuts away the affected cervical tissue in the immediate area of the loop wire. This causes the abnormal cells to rapidly heat and burst, and separates the tissue as the loop wire moves through the cervix." http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/...cedure.htm

Painless my ass. They use a thin electrified wire to scrape at the girl's cervix and burn off the dysplasia. You feel like you're going to throw up, and during the procedure there is a burning smell and possibly some smoke coming from the vagina.
This was what I had to have done as well - first the pap, then colposcopy, then the leep / cone biopsy. Now my pap include a small biopsy every 3 months. Yeah, definitely hurts. Not to mention the emotional pain that it puts you through.

And for those that think the annual Pap always catches it in time - I would say not always. Mine should have been caught long before it became so severe, but it was not. Only other possibility is that it is a strain that moves so quickly it can become cancer in less than a year. That is even scarier.
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Gray.
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
Quote from Caydensmom :
I know this is going to sound bitchy which is NOT my intention but do you think if Men knew how painful these proceedures are for women they would feel differently? I admit I do not know how painful circumcision is but I do know how painful childbirth, cramping, etc etc is. Do you think if they could experience any of this they might be more open to disclosing? Just a thought.
I should hope so! I think that men have it lucky... seriously. You guys should be thankful. Stick Out Tongue laugh out loud
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Caydensmom
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:44 AM.
Quote from MrsMcDreamy :
Oh, and yes, my girls will be vaccinated when they get to the appropriate age also. I know it doesn't protect against all strains, but any protection available is better than none.

Which also brings up this point: If you had a little girl, aside from the fact that you wouldn't want to think of her being sexually active at all and hope she makes the right decision, would you want a guy to tell her if he may carry something that could cause her harm?
I want my daughters to have an honest partner yes and that includes informing them of any diseases they may/may not have. It's not just a health issue for me it's a trust/honesty issue as well.
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JayVee7777
03-29-2007 at 09:47 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:47 AM.
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Ah, but do THEY practice what they preach? I'd really like to hear from all of the people in the "YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" crowd.

1) Do you know with certainty that you have or do not have the virus?

2) If yes, have you ever told a partner about it?

I have a feeling that no one will answer yes to question #2. I have another hunch that no one will answer yes to question #1, either. Even though, statistically, a good number of women and men will be carriers.
I know I do not have anything. Neither my wife or I have had sex with anyone but each other...
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Brynn
03-29-2007 at 09:49 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:49 AM.
Quote from Caydensmom :
I know this is going to sound bitchy which is NOT my intention but do you think if Men knew how painful these proceedures are for women they would feel differently? I admit I do not know how painful circumcision is but I do know how painful childbirth, cramping, etc etc is. Do you think if they could experience any of this they might be more open to disclosing? Just a thought.
I would hope they would see it differently... Or at least those that seem to think it's not a big deal as long as cancer doesn't develop, etc. It also causes a lot of emotional damage. Any health issue does.
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ToddziLLa
03-29-2007 at 09:49 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:49 AM.
Tell your future partners you have it during your first climax.

"Ooooo oooooooooo ohhhhhhhhh I have HPV ooooo ohhhhhhhhhhhh"

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Drio
03-29-2007 at 09:51 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:51 AM.
Quote from Caydensmom :
I know this is going to sound bitchy which is NOT my intention but do you think if Men knew how painful these proceedures are for women they would feel differently? I admit I do not know how painful circumcision is but I do know how painful childbirth, cramping, etc etc is. Do you think if they could experience any of this they might be more open to disclosing? Just a thought.
Women ruin it for themselves by saying things like "My cramps are so bad... imagine being kicked in the nuts all day long.." They are NOT the same. Nono
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Brynn
03-29-2007 at 09:55 AM.
03-29-2007 at 09:55 AM.
Also, I know a lot of you are saying "But almost everyone has some form of HPV now..."

Okay, two key terms there: "ALMOST everyone" and "SOME form".

Not every person has a form of HPV, and of the many that do, just because they may have one form doesn't mean they wouldn't mind another, whether it's been found to cause physical damage or not. So let's not use the elementary phrase "But everyone else has it!"

This is a real, ongoing problem. Not something to be taken lightly.

You know, honestly, I think of it like this for those that are saying not all forms are deadly or really harmful:

Let's say a friend of your's has a child that has chicken pox, lice, or pink-eye, just for an example. Your child isn't immune, and you want to let them have a playdate. The friend didn't inform you that their child was carrying anything. Your child now has it. Yes, for the most part, none of these will cause serious problems, but the principle is that it would only be right to inform you of the issue beforehand so that you could decide whether it's something you'd want your child exposed to.

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Women ruin it for themselves by saying things like "My cramps are so bad... imagine being kicked in the nuts all day long.." They are NOT the same. Nono
Hey, sometimes they are. Women with issues such as endometriosis have horribly severe cramps (been there, done that also). You'd be surprised. I guess neither sex can really know the experiences of the other, but I wouldn't go out and say with certainty that it's not as bad as they let on...
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03-29-2007 at 10:00 AM.
03-29-2007 at 10:00 AM.
Quote from thegoalie :
Ah, but do THEY practice what they preach? I'd really like to hear from all of the people in the "YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" crowd.

1) Do you know with certainty that you have or do not have the virus?

2) If yes, have you ever told a partner about it?

I have a feeling that no one will answer yes to question #2. I have another hunch that no one will answer yes to question #1, either. Even though, statistically, a good number of women and men will be carriers.
I will answer yes to number 1, I know for a fact that I do NOT have the virus, I get a pap every year, I just had one in Jan. everything came back clean.
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