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I am tired of all of these bandwagon PBS fans.

5,642 884 October 7, 2012 at 10:53 PM in Rant
All I see is a bunch of retards pretending to be PBS viewers because Mitt Romney doesn't like PBS and wants to get rid of the CPB.

Seriously, fark the whole lot of them. I hope they all die choking on ham sandwiches.

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Last Edited by calistyle October 7, 2012 at 11:43 PM
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I think you are misunderstanding me. Frown

I hate the all of the people who are part of the new PBS is cool, and I am also cool because I watch PBS trend. The old viewers, the ones who are loyal viewers are the ones that I have real respect for.

These people, the new fans are no different than the people who didn't care for/hated America before 9/11 and suddenly became neocons right after the towers were brought down.

And just so you know, I watch the newshour ever night, and most of the their primetime programs. I've got much love for my local PBS and NPR stations even though they have tried to censor programming and love to pimp the catholic church on their channels.
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10-08-2012 at 03:44 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:44 PM.
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So just to be clear, your argument is that there are no quality shows in the free market? Just want to be sure that is the point you are making.
No, my point is that the argument that shows will be better and of higher quality under the free market is not necessarily true. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I'm not arguing that all television should be nationalized either, but certainly there is room in the federal budget for an educational network or two, such as PBS. Why does it always have to be all or nothing?
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Zoe Moon
10-08-2012 at 03:49 PM.
10-08-2012 at 03:49 PM.
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Every once in a while Ryu stumbles on to something intelligent. Most people that bring up the oil industry don't have a clue what they are even talking about when it comes to government subsidies but that is a whole different topic.

Why should the government be subsidizing any private industry? They give money to the farmers to grow corn to burn as fuel in our cars and all it does is raise our food prices and certainly hasn't done anything to lower fuel costs. Even with the subsidies it still costs more to use E85 instead of regular gasoline.

The biggest argument I hear in defending PBS is a list of shows and how great they are. And I agree with many of them. To me that says that they should be able to generate enough revenue to stay on the air. I would be willing to bet that without continuing to get the free ride they get now that the shows would get even better and would reach an even larger audience?

For people wanting to continue the subsidies, why do you favor limiting the audience to what it is now instead of trying to expand it to reach even more people?
I agree that the government shouldn't be subsidizing ethanol, it's pointless as it doesn't help the environment or cut the cost of gasoline. There are a lot of government subsidies that need to be revised or cut altogether.

The thing about PBS, if they didn't have that subsidy then chances are they would have to allow commercials to pay for the cost of the programing. When you do that, then the variety of shows and the less commercial shows will suffer. I don't think any commercial network would have agreed to put Sesame Street on the air back in the 1960's. Think of what other shows would never have made it to the air if they hadn't been given a chance on PBS.
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Iaaaiws
10-08-2012 at 04:41 PM.
10-08-2012 at 04:41 PM.
I think the main lesson of all this is that we never want to see cuts to programs that are near and dear to our hearts. Any time there is a suggestion to make cuts to anything there is always somebody that is going to have a reason why it shouldn't be cut and an example of someone who will be negatively impacted by the cut.

Unfortunately these are the things that should have been considered before the government started spending more money than it took in. We can't run our personal budgets this way without it eventually catching up to us yet nobody wants to make the tough choices to try to bring things back in line with our government.

There is always something else that should be cut instead yet when that suggestion is made there is someone else ready to prove why that is wrong as well.

We should be willing to accept that the government should be run in a responsible manner the same way our personal budgets need to be. This country is heading for financial disaster and cuts will have to be made somewhere, whether we like them or not.
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10-08-2012 at 06:13 PM.
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cgrady | Staff
10-08-2012 at 06:43 PM.
10-08-2012 at 06:43 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
How clueless does someone have to be to conclude that Romney doesn't like PBS?

The point is that we shouldn't be borrowing money from China to fund it. If there is so much support for it and the shows are something that people want to watch then PBS should easily be able to generate the funding it needs to keep it on the air without subsidies from the government.

Forcing PBS to compete with other stations would likely even improve programming and improve the quality of the shows that are aired. Currently there is no need to step up and make improvements because the money is going to keep rolling in from the government no matter how little effort they put in.
Issue the first:

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Issue the second:

TLC used to be The Learning Channel. It was founded by NASA, among others. Later, it was privatized. Now it's full of garbage like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

Do we really want that happening to PBS?
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RHCCapri
10-08-2012 at 06:53 PM.
10-08-2012 at 06:53 PM.
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You want me to choke to death on a ham sammich? Bigeye Sadwalk

I've watched PBS my entire life, starting with Sesame street and including, in no particular order, watching Masterpiece Theater, Monty Python's Flying Circus (KERA in Dallas was the first station to air it in the states), The Ernie Kovaks Show (reruns), etc.

I also listen to NPR most days, often on the radio but some of their shows I catch on podcast.
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10-08-2012 at 07:06 PM.
10-08-2012 at 07:06 PM.
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Issue the first:

[imgur.com]

Issue the second:

TLC used to be The Learning Channel. It was founded by NASA, among others. Later, it was privatized. Now it's full of garbage like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

Do we really want that happening to PBS?
You make a strong case for keeping PBS in the hands of the public.
There's many other things to be cut before worrying about PBS.
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10-08-2012 at 07:33 PM.
10-08-2012 at 07:33 PM.
Quote from cgrady :
Issue the first:

[imgur.com]

Issue the second:

TLC used to be The Learning Channel. It was founded by NASA, among others. Later, it was privatized. Now it's full of garbage like Here Comes Honey Boo Boo.

Do we really want that happening to PBS?
If someone were to throw you in a lake, what would be your first reaction? To survive? To keep your head above water? Companies are no different. Instead of throwing them billion dollar life preservers, let them learn to swim.

As for the millions of mindless programs such as Honey Boo Boo, that is noone's fault but our own. If fools that have some need to feel better about themselves by watching this garbage didn't watch HBB, Jersey Shore, and the likes, would it still be on the air? And then it turns into the snowball effect "inspiring" our kids to be just as "cool" as these idiots.

I do agree about the defense budget though. I just read an article about the trillions (with a "tr") of dollars spent on the F-22 and F-35 to not do much more than a few training exercises and be grounded due to mechanical difficulties to this point. I'm not saying that we don't need a military, but for the price we've paid for it over the last few decades, we could of probably bought half the world...or better yet...spent that money feeding, educating, and helping them which would more likely make them allies as opposed to bombing everyone and making more enemies. Two planes flew into the twin towers, and many Americans developed a hatred for anyone that resembled a person from the Middle East. Can you imagine what we'd be like if another country invaded us, took over our skies, bombed us repeatedly, etc.? But it's okay if we do it in the name of "democracy"? ...which in itself is a joke, because we don't even have it in the sense that it was intended.
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10-08-2012 at 08:21 PM.
10-08-2012 at 08:21 PM.
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If someone were to throw you in a lake, what would be your first reaction? To survive? To keep your head above water? Companies are no different. Instead of throwing them billion dollar life preservers, let them learn to swim.

As for the millions of mindless programs such as Honey Boo Boo, that is noone's fault but our own. If fools that have some need to feel better about themselves by watching this garbage didn't watch HBB, Jersey Shore, and the likes, would it still be on the air? And then it turns into the snowball effect "inspiring" our kids to be just as "cool" as these idiots.
The direction TLC went has everything to do with the fact that it was privatized - the owners then have every incentive to want to profit, instead of educating. PBS would go the same route if it suddenly had to make its own money. We'd get commercials, programs would be cut if they weren't profitable enough (regardless of their educational value), etc. It would not survive as-is and would no longer be the benefit that it is.
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10-08-2012 at 08:55 PM.
10-08-2012 at 08:55 PM.
I'm quite happy to let my bath room sink drip. Its only a drop every so often. Hey its not like I've got the tap running full board all day long.

Cut ALL govt spending by 35%. The shit that cannot survive the cut will die off and not be added back into the spending pool.
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10-08-2012 at 09:04 PM.
10-08-2012 at 09:04 PM.
Quote from cgrady :
The direction TLC went has everything to do with the fact that it was privatized - the owners then have every incentive to want to profit, instead of educating. PBS would go the same route if it suddenly had to make its own money. We'd get commercials, programs would be cut if they weren't profitable enough (regardless of their educational value), etc. It would not survive as-is and would no longer be the benefit that it is.
Regardless of the nostalgia we all have with Sesame Street, Bill Nye, etc., I don't know that government subsidized television needs to be a tool in our kids education. I believe that money could be better spend going into the school system. If our country were in a surplus, it might be a little different story, but I just think we have much bigger priorities at the moment.
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10-08-2012 at 10:40 PM.
10-08-2012 at 10:40 PM.
For every dollar from the government PBS raises six on its own.
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10-08-2012 at 11:44 PM.
10-08-2012 at 11:44 PM.
Let's face it. There will have to be cuts made that will offend somebody. The problem with politicians these days is that they care less about fixing problems than about their public image. I have long been a fan of PBS, but like so many other things that aren't primary to the infrastructure, or defense of our freedom and citizens, it should be open to cuts that will refocus the attention of our government on what it's main roles are.

Until we can get back on the road to financial stability, we need to make some deep cuts. The size of our government is out of control and gets bigger each day. Our kids can't read, we import our food from around the world and yet pay our farmers to not grow crops, and we keep bailing out companies instead of letting them take responsibility for their own actions. When will enough be enough?
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10-09-2012 at 04:24 AM.
10-09-2012 at 04:24 AM.
LOL!!!! at PBS do not serve the public good....

There was a thread somewhere where some of the biggest corporations in America DO NOT pay a single dime in taxes and in fact actually get money back from the gov't... And PBS is cannot be funded...

But hey we can keep funding the TSA who continue to steal and molest travelers daily, the gov't can keep funding ATT&T wiretapping program, we can continuing fund a drug war and other wars that never end, oh and we can even keep our troops in countries that aren't even a threat..

The list is endless as to all the porky waste our gov't drools out, yet PBS is on the firing line...LOL!!!

Haiti used to be a country that was rich and well off with a strong sugar economy
Mexico used to be a country whose chief crop was corn and had a strong corn trading economy

Then the USA came in and installed sugar tariffs and subsidized cheap Monsanto modified corn, and Haiti is now one of the poorest country in the world with high unemployment and Mexico main cash crop is now DRUGS.....
Isn't the USA awesome

Don't worry that messily $450,000,000, will be put to good use, I hear Romney is ready to engage Iran in war and to arm the Syrian rebels and send in our troops, he need all the "war" ( literally ) chest he can
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