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I was just CHARGED for trying on a pair of shoes. UPDATE ON POST #431

3,281 756 June 22, 2007 at 12:00 PM in Chat
Okay so today I went into a running store to try on some shoes. I'm in the very BEGINNING of my search for new shoes and I just wanted to try on a few brands that were new to me and see if anything was going on with my foot. So I go into this store, the kid asks me if I'd ever been there before.. I said NO.. I said I was looking for shoes.. he says okay great and asks me to take walk in front of him for him to look at my stride/ gate. I do, it takes 2 minutes for him to determine that I'm mostly neutral/ slight overpronator. I try on TWO pairs of shoes. I tell him okay great, I'm going to look around, I might come back. I don't know. I don't know and I don't BS, its as simple as that. I might come back I might not for the shoes. I'm an informed shopper and I next to NEVER buy things on impulse. Then his attitude changed. He starts giving me this schpeel about how they're a high end running store and they take pride in fitting their customers with shoes and if I don't buy the shoes right then and there he was going to have to charge me $20 for the less than 10 minutes of time and two pairs of shoes I tried on. I asked him if he was freakin kidding me. The lady manager had to come over.. APPARENTLY, on the OTHER SIDE of the boxes of shoes he was stacking next to me was a sheet of laminated PAPER that said about this policy, in a not so very large font size. Okay so why did he NOT tell me about this when he asked me if I had ever been in the store? I clearly said no. Why did he let me walk in front of him and and spend the two minutes looking at my feet and not tell me this? I paid the $20 and left. And I know they talked about me when I left.. you could feel it in the air as I was paying. And I just know they were all like "Oh I hate when people do that.. " when in reality they should LOVE it.. $20 PURE PROFIT for under 10 minutes of time! They didn't tell me about this upfront and they stacked the shoes next to the piece of paper that said this. I couldn't even see it!
So I was thinking should I file a report with like BBB? I think $20 is a lot of money for merely trying on a pair of shoes and less than 10 minutes of time especially since I wasn't told about it upfront. I'm a girl and I've tried on my fair share of shoes in my lifetime and NEVER been charged for trying them on.

What do you guys think I should do? Nothing, something? I might just let it go.. but for right now I'm Mad

Sorry I meant to click the RANT icon not chat.. I don't know how that happened.
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z2g
06-29-2007 at 12:13 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:13 PM.
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Is there a law that you have to disclose the price of a service?

I have already said that it is bad that the sign was covered, but you are going to have a tough time proving it was without some sort of physical proof.


Then don't read my posts. Simple as that.
Actually, as I've already stated above, there are laws that state a price MUST be disclosed before service......it's simple contract law. When you enter a store and buy merchandise or services, you are actually entering into a purchase contract for merchandise or services--X amount of dollars for X services or merchandise. If there was no discussion of price, fees, services, and merchandise, then there was NO contract.....NO meeting of the minds.

By the way, the CC company could not do a chargeback because the customer already signed the charge receipt that she would pay that amount for whatever services or merchandise. It's due to the CC company's policies. Whether they do a chargback or not does not change the legalities of the store's policies and actions. The only mistake that the OP did was paying the store instead of refusing upfront.

By the way, you never responded to the other member's analogy with the grocery store. What are your views on that? Isn't it the same concept?
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06-29-2007 at 12:25 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:25 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Actually, as I've already stated above, there are laws that state a price MUST be disclosed before service......it's simple contract law. When you enter a store and buy merchandise or services, you are actually entering into a purchase contract for merchandise or services--X amount of dollars for X services or merchandise. If there was no discussion of price, fees, services, and merchandise, then there was NO contract.....NO meeting of the minds.
Do you have a link at all? I tried looking for a law dealing with service price disclosures, but I couldn't find anything.

Also, if you give permission to a mechanic, but he doesn't tell you a price for the service, do you still have to pay it? Or if he gives you a price for the service but not the labor associated with it?

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By the way, the CC company could not do a chargeback because the customer already signed the charge receipt that she would pay that amount for whatever services or merchandise. It's due to the CC company's policies. Whether they do a chargback or not does not change the legalities of the store's policies and actions.
That's why I said that she probably won't get her money back, which sucks.

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By the way, you never responded to the other member's analogy with the grocery store. What are your views on that? Isn't it the same concept?
That's why I was asking questions. To see if there would be a difference between stores, such as expectations from a grocery store in a middle class neighborhood versus a high scale grocery store in the Hills.
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06-29-2007 at 12:31 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:31 PM.
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Do you have a link at all? I tried looking for a law dealing with service price disclosures, but I couldn't find anything.

Also, if you give permission to a mechanic, but he doesn't tell you a price for the service, do you still have to pay it? Or if he gives you a price for the service but not the labor associated with it?


That's why I said that she probably won't get her money back, which sucks.
Actually, auto mechanics have a stricter guideline as far as disclosure for services. They are REQUIRED to have a written estimate that is signed by the customer. If that actual cost ends up being X percentage above the original estimate's quoted price, then the auto mechanic MUST get an approval (preferably in writing).

For other transactions with private sales or retail stores, even a verbal contract is sufficient. However, verbal contracts are just harder to enforce in a court of law. But, if proven, verbal contracts are still binding in a court of law. The bottom line is that no one can just arbitrarily charge for something without informing the other person beforehand.
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06-29-2007 at 12:36 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:36 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Actually, as I've already stated above, there are laws that state a price MUST be disclosed before service......it's simple contract law. When you enter a store and buy merchandise or services, you are actually entering into a purchase contract for merchandise or services--X amount of dollars for X services or merchandise. If there was no discussion of price, fees, services, and merchandise, then there was NO contract.....NO meeting of the minds.

By the way, the CC company could not do a chargeback because the customer already signed the charge receipt that she would pay that amount for whatever services or merchandise. It's due to the CC company's policies. Whether they do a chargback or not does not change the legalities of the store's policies and actions. The only mistake that the OP did was paying the store instead of refusing upfront.

By the way, you never responded to the other member's analogy with the grocery store. What are your views on that? Isn't it the same concept?
I agree. Good post.
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cheap_bastid
06-29-2007 at 12:38 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:38 PM.
Just got back last night. Had I known about the shoe scam - $20 for trying on shoes, I would have hit the Human Race and see if they suckered me out of $20. Of course I'd forget my wallet in the car or something.

Dammit why didn't I see that thread earlier?? Would have loved to gone down the few blocks to the store.
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06-29-2007 at 12:44 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:44 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Actually, auto mechanics have a stricter guideline as far as disclosure for services. They are REQUIRED to have a written estimate that is signed by the customer. If that actual cost ends up being X percentage above the original estimate's quoted price, then the auto mechanic MUST get an approval (preferably in writing).
Gotcha.

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For other transactions with private sales or retail stores, even a verbal contract is sufficient. However, verbal contracts are just harder to enforce in a court of law. But, if proven, verbal contracts are still binding in a court of law. The bottom line is that no one can just arbitrarily charge for something without informing the other person beforehand.
But couldn't they say that since it was posted (disregarding the fact that it was blocked and she signed the CC sheet) and he asked if she wanted service that that would constitute a verbal contract, or do you think that wouldn't hold up?

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Just got back last night. Had I known about the shoe scam - $20 for trying on shoes, I would have hit the Human Race and see if they suckered me out of $20. Of course I'd forget my wallet in the car or something.

Dammit why didn't I see that thread earlier?? Would have loved to gone down the few blocks to the store.
If you go back get a pic of the policy, I would love to see it and how they word everything.
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06-29-2007 at 12:53 PM.
06-29-2007 at 12:53 PM.
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Gotcha.


But couldn't they say that since it was posted (disregarding the fact that it was blocked and she signed the CC sheet) and he asked if she wanted service that that would constitute a verbal contract, or do you think that wouldn't hold up?



If you go back get a pic of the policy, I would love to see it and how they word everything.
As others have pointed out already, posting up a sign doesn't really create a "meeting of the minds" and binding contract....especially if there's only one sign that's hidden away. Also, by just posting up a sign, it doesn't meet the requirement of authorization since the customer may not be able to read. As long as the store employee even just mentions it to the customer before starting the "fitting", it would be a legal contract. That would only take a few seconds. Obviously, since there was no mention of a fitting fee, there was intent of deception occurring.
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06-29-2007 at 01:37 PM.
06-29-2007 at 01:37 PM.
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Contact your local news...do they do those "behind-the-scene" episodes? We have them here in Austin....basically tell your story about a business or something and the news will take there camera with them and make a story.....i guarantee you they will give you your $20 back if not a pair of free shoes.....they are not going to want bad press.

That's the PERFECT thing to do! I have never, ever heard of any such thing as having to pay for the opportunity to try on shoes. Confused
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06-29-2007 at 03:31 PM.
06-29-2007 at 03:31 PM.
Today I got a message from The Chicago Sun Times The Fixer! I LOVE that article! She wants me to call her back tomorrow and tell her more about the story and she mentioned she had NEVER heard of a charge for a fitting. She sounded very interested. NBC Target 5 must have bailed out because after they called me that one day and I wasn't home, I haven't heard back.

Oh, and I'm still waiting to get the official word from the credit card, it wasn't a definite answer either way yet.
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06-29-2007 at 03:32 PM.
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Today I got a message from The Chicago Sun Times The Fixer! I LOVE that article! She wants me to call her back tomorrow and tell her more about the story and she mentioned she had NEVER heard of a charge for a fitting. She sounded very interested. NBC Target 5 must have bailed out because after they called me that one day and I wasn't home, I haven't heard back.

Oh, and I'm still waiting to get the official word from the credit card, it wasn't a definite answer either way yet.
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06-29-2007 at 03:33 PM.
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Thanks for the update, Phoebes! Don't give up on Discover until you get your refund!!
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06-29-2007 at 03:52 PM.
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Thanks for the update.
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06-29-2007 at 03:56 PM.
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This is so EXCITING! I can't wait to see what happens!Smilie
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06-29-2007 at 04:22 PM.
06-29-2007 at 04:22 PM.
Quote from PhoebesMeow :
Today I got a message from The Chicago Sun Times The Fixer! I LOVE that article! She wants me to call her back tomorrow and tell her more about the story and she mentioned she had NEVER heard of a charge for a fitting. She sounded very interested. NBC Target 5 must have bailed out because after they called me that one day and I wasn't home, I haven't heard back.

Oh, and I'm still waiting to get the official word from the credit card, it wasn't a definite answer either way yet.
I used to read the Sun-Times all the time back in Chicago. Let us know what happens!
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06-29-2007 at 04:24 PM.
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This is so EXCITING! I can't wait to see what happens!Smilie
Iagree


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