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so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?

a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma

perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work

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12-03-2007 at 12:39 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:39 PM.
Quote from Jhaan :
No it doesn't. Creation means nothing here.

Perhaps a better way to ask is, when was religion "invented?"
That would be a catch 22. Again for the religious people might say "Adam and Eve walked among god" (sorry had to quote you peachyum), and the non-religious people might argue creationism and the big-bang, and evolution and religion only came into play XXXXX years after all that.
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12-03-2007 at 12:42 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:42 PM.
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Maybe. Maybe not. It just depends on how stealth I can be. If it were not for my belief in a higher power, I'm sure I could manage to wreak all kinds of havoc while I'm on this orb. Hey, if I'm only going to live once, why should I settle for what game plan society says I have to live by? If I don't believe in God, why would anyone think society would fill those shoes and I should fear their laws? Nono2
But that's taking it to the extreme, and only in a few isolated occurrences. There are a lot of people who don't believe in god, you don't see them committing all these crimes, do you?

By your example, you come off implying one of two things:
1. All people believe in god, and even if they say they don't they're lying. Otherwise there would be mass chaos among the ones who don't.
2. Most criminals don't believe in god -- since they comitted the crimes.

Both of these don't hold true.


BUT there are those few lunatics, who take their religion to a new level (example the ones who fly the airplanes into the twin towers) -- both of them did it for their religions.
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12-03-2007 at 12:44 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:44 PM.
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Secret It was also created or evolved to explain our universe.
And then science proved it wrong.
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12-03-2007 at 12:46 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:46 PM.
Quote from iconian :

belief is god is IDENTICAL to believe in extraterrestrial life, except for one thing
it could be the same thing Smilie

so yoy dont see me or others trying to mass convert into believrs or asking tithing for my alien domicile of whorshipping Smilie

OK, so we've moved on and put all believers into the same box as UFO and Conspiracy theorists.

But that really doesn't answer your question about why people believe, does it?

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That would be a catch 22. Again for the religious people might say "Adam and Eve walked among god" (sorry had to quote you peachyum), and the non-religious people might argue creationism and the big-bang, and evolution and religion only came into play XXXXX years after all that.
So you, being a non-religious person - when did religion appear?
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12-03-2007 at 12:46 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:46 PM.
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I don't mean to get into an argument here, but that statement is not quite correct. If we choose a relatively unbiased source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hist...y_of_Jesus

Aside from biblical sources (e.g. Old/New Testament) and etc, the existence of someone named Jesus in the same timeframe and with similar circumstances is referenced in Jewish texts, the very people who would seek to prove he never existed (then, of course).

If we cannot rely on others' testimony as "proof" of something, then anything that happened before photography was invented is also suspect. (ahem, and in this day and age, even photography is suspect!)
no, actually I learned this from another source a long time ago and many many other sources as well.
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12-03-2007 at 12:47 PM.
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But that really doesn't answer your question about why people believe, does it?
IMO it's an easy answer: People are scared of what happens after they die, period.


So instead of worrying about it, they think that "o if I believe in god, and be a good person, and tithe; I can go to heaven. And in the extreme case that there is no heaven, I was just a better person on earth" But the churches scare you into believing there is a god, and that you have to be a good Christian, or else you're going to suffer in hell*.

*Sorry for picking on Christianity, same applies to most religions.
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12-03-2007 at 12:48 PM.
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After my psych rotation I've learned that we lock people up for thinking they are God, or if God is talking to them and telling them to do weird things.

Just believing in God isn't enough to get you locked up with a psych label. nod
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12-03-2007 at 12:50 PM.
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Quote from Peachyum :
Maybe. Maybe not. It just depends on how stealth I can be. If it were not for my belief in a higher power, I'm sure I could manage to wreak all kinds of havoc while I'm on this orb. Hey, if I'm only going to live once, why should I settle for what game plan society says I have to live by? If I don't believe in God, why would anyone think society would fill those shoes and I should fear their laws? Nono2
  1. Odds are you'd get caught.
  2. Why do you have to 'wreak all kinds of havoc' to enjoy life?
  3. I find your viewpoint scary.
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After my psych rotation I've learned that we lock people up for thinking they are God, or if God is talking to them and telling them to do weird things.

Just believing in God isn't enough to get you locked up with a psych label. nod
If you talk to God, you're spiritual. If God talks to you, you're psychotic.
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12-03-2007 at 12:53 PM.
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Quote from Jhaan :
So you, being a non-religious person - when did religion appear?
I can't answer that for several reasons.

1. Depends on when you believe the earth was created, and when people were created. I don't have an idea, nor am I going to guess. I believe in a mixture of things, and non of them are religion.
2. Depends on who the first people were, and how they lived. Again no one will ever know for sure. Yes there is a nice story floating around about Adam and Eve and the apple and the snake with legs, but can anyone PROVE it in fact happened? Nono2
3. I don't know history of that time period well enough to even make an educated guess
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12-03-2007 at 12:54 PM.
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Quote from Peachyum :
Maybe. Maybe not. It just depends on how stealth I can be. If it were not for my belief in a higher power, I'm sure I could manage to wreak all kinds of havoc while I'm on this orb. Hey, if I'm only going to live once, why should I settle for what game plan society says I have to live by? If I don't believe in God, why would anyone think society would fill those shoes and I should fear their laws? Nono2
You should fear being locked up in a cell. I think most people fear that more than they fear what will happen to them when they die. It's a more immediate consequence than going to hell.
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12-03-2007 at 12:55 PM.
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Quote from Jhaan :
But that really doesn't answer your question about why people believe, does it?
there are many reason why i suppose but primarily i guess: people want to believe something otherwise like someone said if this is IT, they wont want to prosper and will be ok with what they got

others believe to change their life or to explain stuff in their life. remember believing that something explains your life might be ok even if its a faulty belief
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when i say believe in extraterrestrial, i dont count conspiracy theorists, they are in the area of fanatics. i meant general question to the public

such as" do you think there is another life work anywhere in space"

to answer no on this question, in my view is impossible because space is so vast, is that u cant compare it to anything but itself
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12-03-2007 at 12:56 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:56 PM.
Quote from IVIax :
If you talk to God, you're spiritual. If God talks to you, you're psychotic.
Hey, someone said that on page 1. laugh out loud

Quote from Mavtech :
One of my favorite quotes is "You speaking to God = religion..........God speaking to you = psychosis".
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12-03-2007 at 12:56 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:56 PM.
Quote from Robor :
  1. Odds are you'd get caught.
  2. Why do you have to 'wreak all kinds of havoc' to enjoy life?
  3. I find your viewpoint scary.
Again, maybe, maybe not. Why can't I do what I want in order to enjoy life? If I've only got this one life according to some here, why shouldn't I be able to do anything I want while here?

That's fine, so long as the point does get across. Wink
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12-03-2007 at 12:57 PM.
12-03-2007 at 12:57 PM.
Quote from IVIax :
IMO it's an easy answer: People are scared of what happens after they die, period.
I'm curious. Are all people scared of death, or only believers?


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So instead of worrying about it, they think that "o if I believe in god, and be a good person, and tithe; I can go to heaven. And in the extreme case that there is no heaven, I was just a better person on earth" But the churches scare you into believing there is a god, and that you have to be a good Christian, or else you're going to suffer in hell*.

*Sorry for picking on Christianity, same applies to most religions.
What's funny is that Christianity actually teaches that only being a good person won't get you into heaven.
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