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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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so, pics when you were 18 please
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Son of Man is a Messianic title since he was born of a human, but it doesn't delineate from him having the spirit of God.
I've been biting my tongue for most of this thread.
Many of us (in public high school, biology books, etc..) have been taught that the universe and the earth are millions/billions/trillions of years old...
When archeologists find dinosaur bones, or other organic discoveries - they will use a method called C14 (Carbon 14 dating) to see how old that particular sample is..
Just a quick refresher course in chemistry: http://chemistry.about
Carbon 14 is what's called an isotope of Carbon... Essentially - it is a "non-stable" form of carbon. The half life of C14 is apx. 5730 years... Which means it takes that many years for half of a sample of C14 to completely degrade. (I know I'm not always using scientific terms here, but just trying to convey it as easy as possible for people to understand - we're not all chemistry majors, including me, here I understand)
You guys all know that we have always been told that it takes, millions and billions of years for a diamond to form, right? Now I know that a diamond, is NOT "organic" - but it is a "rock"... Normally, you would NOT be able to use the C14 method on rocks, as they would not contain any - as they are not "organic".
However, what's special about a diamond is that it is nothing BUT carbon. Thus, C14 dating is really one of the only ways to test how old it really is - as it is actually made out of Carbon.
Now - here is the tricky part: stay w/ me everyone... Recently, they cut into the core of several different diamonds to see if there was any measurable amounts of Carbon 14 (C14)............... They actually FOUND C14 in those diamonds tested!!!!!
You're prolly asking.... why is this such weird news.... You found Carbon elements in something you knew was made out of Carbon..........
Well..... Remember that it supposedly takes MILLIONS or BILLIONS of years for a diamond to form? Then HOW could they have found ANY C14 in a diamond that is billions of years old? Since the half-life of C14 is only 5730 years:
THERE SHOULD BE NO C14 DETECTED INSIDE THE DIAMOND AT ALL!!! There can be NO Carbon 14 in something that is supposed to be millions/billions of years old - as they would have all dissappeared (decayed) by then, yet - we see it......
Shocking???
Linky: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=ca...c
^Although this isn't the ONLY source (I know its a bit rough to read) - you can google this w/ no problems and you'll find other articles about it...
-Thought this might be interesting as far as the scientific aspects of it all....
Do you believe humans have the capacity to understand all things?
That's it, any human ... ever .. yes or no?
I would see it like this:
me < God (or existence itself, aka all things, nature...)
dog < me
That means I have as much chance understanding "nature" or "super natural" or "origin of species" as my dog has understanding simple Math or English. UNLESS I believe that humans do have the capacity to learn ALL things. Does my dog think that he is smart enough to understand anything he desires and studies? If he can't understand them, are they less real? Is he better off ignoring me or listening to me?
BTW - I don't have a dog.
Am I missing something
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Question is: how long does it take to get C14 to decay? If the 1/2 life is 6000 years (roughly), then 1/4 life would be 12,000 years, and 1/8 would be 24,000 years, and etc. etc. So there had to be some MINIMAL trace amount left in the diamonds. And if there is nothing that WE can detect, then there has to be a number associated with it (like 1/128 life would have such minimal C14 left inside it, we can consider it 0).
So how much was found in the diamonds? If it's a very small amount, it can be maybe not millions, but at least 100's of thousands years old.
Thanks
Do you believe humans have the capacity to understand all things?
That's it, any human ... ever .. yes or no?
I would see it like this:
me < God (or existence itself, aka all things, nature...)
dog < me
That means I have as much chance understanding "nature" or "super natural" or "origin of species" as my dog has understanding simple Math or English. UNLESS I believe that humans do have the capacity to learn ALL things. Does my dog think that he is smart enough to understand anything he desires and studies? If he can't understand them, are they less real? Is he better off ignoring me or listening to me?
BTW - I don't have a dog.
It could be:
me < universe
dog < me
God is not the only thing that's greater than you.
For this reason, I wouldn't read this thread. Most people who would wish for an argument on the topic have already hardened their minds and hearts and will not change them.
It is beyond me how someone can understand science and not believe in God. Just understanding the enzyme (how without just one enzyme, an entire body does not function, and yet the body is loaded with enzymes, each with a specific and unique function) should be enough to convince anyone of divine/intelligent design.
As for the enzyme comment: Again, something cannot be fully explained. So, people just attribute it to God. It's just not good enough for me. I want to know. I'm not just going to take someone's word for it. We don't where science is concerned. Why do people do it with religion?
As for the enzyme comment: Again, something cannot be fully explained. So, people just attribute it to God. It's just not good enough for me. I want to know. I'm just going to take someone's word for it. You don't in science. Why do you with religion?
However, JUST a month ago - I believed in a hybrid theory of "evolution/creationism"... I was taught in a public school setting that the earth and the universe are billions/trillions of years old. However, I was always conflicted inside because my Bible told me one, thing about how we were created (and how long ago we were created) - yet science is showing something else (or so I thought).
I went back and forth for years about the subject, until I finally decided to put forth effort and research into the subject.... There are TOO many things to really talk about (but I did show at least one thing in particular - look at the C14 dating above)... Until I was finally convinced that the public schools robbed me of my God given right to be taught that there is another scientific theory out there.
See, evolution is a "THEORY" - which means it has some evidence to support it, but that's why its ONLY a theory. It has holes in it AND discrepancies...
Creationism is ALSO a theory. It too has holes (the science part) and discrepancies as well....
But WHO has the RIGHT to only teach ONE theory to our kids?... Its not even to teach them about religion or "God" - but that we didn't "grow" out of primortial ooze... It was planned, we were created... Creationism doesn't really even TEACH ABOUT GOD, it teaches specifically from a scientific point of view about an "intelligent designer"..... So it really doesn't even touch religion, or faith - it just says that there is more than just "ooze" behind our history...
That we weren't some one in a million, billion, trillion chance. That monkeys were NOT our friggin ancestors....
Since I'm on a rant now.....
How does a person that believes evolution think about this other thought? It has been scientifically PROVEN that you can't "add" genetic information from one generation to the next... Genetic information can "mutate" or change... But it can't "add" to itself.
Essentially the proof is in the primortial pudding.... Human beings have a total of 46 chromosomes... Knowing that it is a scientific FACT that information (in this case chromosomes) can't be added from one generation to the next (They can only mutate [change], or be removed) - how do you explain that we have 46 chromosomes???
This would have meant that the "primortial ooze" that evolution says we came from would have HAD to have had at least 46 pairs of chromosomes OR MORE..... And about "apes" being our ancestors..... fine.... they have more chromosomes than a human...
But so do sheep, elephants, cows, donkeys, horses, chickens. Why aren't we related to elephants???? Or Donkeys???? They have more Chromosomes than us...??? Rabbits have the same amount of chromosomes - anyone feeling lucky today????
:rantcompleted:
How does a person that believes evolution think about this other thought? It has been scientifically PROVEN that you can't "add" genetic information from one generation to the next... Genetic information can "mutate" or change... But it can't "add" to itself.
Essentially the proof is in the primortial pudding.... Human beings have a total of 46 chromosomes... Knowing that it is a scientific FACT that information (in this case chromosomes) can't be added from one generation to the next (They can only mutate [change], or be removed) - how do you explain that we have 46 chromosomes???
But, I'm not afraid to say that I plain ole just don't know. I'm not going to give someone or something credit for my existence just because I need an answer.
But WHO has the RIGHT to only teach ONE theory to our kids?...
What is there to "teach" about creationism? Fine, "God said Poof! Class dismissed" The only thing taught... would be how to disprove evolution.
Really... what would you say? Aside from listing off the reasons evolution can't be.
God made this.... then he thought it would be cool with some eyes.... and then he put a little fluffy cloud over here. It didn't go so well on the first night because it kept running into trees while flying in the dark! That's when God decided to give it radar! And that's how we have the bat.
I guess you could ignore the science of how they came to be... and just study how they are today. Maybe a little praise in there because he did such a knockup job?
What is there to "teach" about creationism? Fine, "God said Poof! Class dismissed"
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I just find evolution plausible enough that I like to argue with people that find it unfathomable.