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December 2, 2007 at
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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To be blunt, yes I do believe if you were in a car accident tomorrow (as horrible as that souns to say) that you would not go to heaven. I'm not sure exactly what hell entails, but that is what I believe your fate would be. That's part of the reason that I feel led to talk about my experiences when I have the opportunity or someone asks. I want them to have that chance to know God.
That said: Just because I believe that, you do not have to be angry at me. I'm not forcing you to believe that. If you don't believe it's true, it should have no more impact on you than me saying that the boogie man's gonna get you.
So wouldn't this mean without your life altercating experience, along with SlicKitty's, that us three would all be going to Hell? Why is it that God chooses to reveal himself to you two, but not to me and some others?
I have had great things happen to me, which I attributed to either my personal achievements,luck or both. I've also had a LOT of bad things happen, I attributed those to bad luck.
IMO life is like a zebra, it has it's white stripes and it's black stripes, and all of them could be large or small and in any order (just like a zebra).
About this next comment, I'm not sure. I believe that things COULD happen for a reason (i.e. a higher being, but probably not what people see god as). It depends on my mood, sometimes I believe this, other days I think there is no god at all.... thus sometimes I do believe that things happen for a reason, or other times I think that they happen out of concidence and then you either get lucky or screwed.
You mentioned just a paragraph earlier that God was a merciful being... Why shouldn't he grant mercy to those who didn't believe in him? I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY CONNECTION WITH GOD. Does that mean when I die tomorrow in a fiery car accident, I will be doomed to Hell because I could never find God?
You mentioned just a paragraph earlier that God was a merciful being... Why shouldn't he grant mercy to those who didn't believe in him? I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY CONNECTION WITH GOD. Does that mean when I die tomorrow in a fiery car accident, I will be doomed to Hell because I could never find God?
Either way (and this one is to Pirate) -> its not a scare tactic... It's only a scary thing to face when you are faced with it. If you find salvation in God, then its not a scary thing at all... Its only scary when you face eternity void of God... And thus from your point of view it is scary - and it SHOULD be.
To be honest... I've got NOTHING at all to GAIN from any of you believing in God. I don't get a "green" point - I don't get a financial advantage, I don't get a coffee mug saying "I've led x number of people to God" (though that would be a great Christmas present
What's in it for me if you believe in God or not??? NOTHING... I guess why am I even trying to convince anyone...
It's simple. Get saved, believe in God = happy ending. Don't believe in God = not happy ending... Whether you believe its a scare tactic or not, I'm not the one that's going to be scared right before dying thinking to myself (I really hope I was right and there is no God)...
If nothing at all, all I ask from ANY of you is to THINK about it..... Just put some forethought into the matter. What have you to loose by believing in God? Not only that, it will make you a better person... It WILL better you.
Think about how you will feel not knowing what will happen to you if you were to die... Just put yourself in your OWN shoes. Let's say you're on your deathbed, you have maybe an hour left of life... What are going to be the actual thoughts running through your head? What will you do? To be honest, to go into the unknown, knowing that you might have been "wrong" IS a scary thing (for me it is anyways)....
I'm not sure if I would want to believe in God that would punish you with an infinite amount of suffering for the sole reason that you couldn't obtain His divine spark.
if there is an after life, and god will only accept those that believed in him (and not those who were good in their lifetimes), then I'm going to hell.
why don't I spend time now praying: you could call it being egotistical - I have no evidence there is a god, so I'd rather not spend my time on something I don't believe in.
But if science even gives evidence to the fact that we were actually "intelligently designed" - why would that be faith?
Let me ask this question arj. Why do you have to have "faith" in gravity? You can't see it, or touch it. Yet you know its there - because there is evidence (scientific) to prove it. Therefore, its not your faith in gravity - but rather your belief that brings it home to you...
I personally believe that if you look, you will find - and then you can believe w/ more than just faith... The trick to it is you have to look beyond just what you want to see, and look from a point of view that God DOES exist; and you will find evidence to back it up. If you look from the point of view that God does NOT exist, then you will only see what you want yourself to see.
that doesn't work with faith based creationism. you can't test things when the basis is as far as our current understanding on how the universe there's no other logical explanation than someone had to make it.
i broguth it up in another thread.. but like the ancient greeks who came up with gods to answer every question. how did the earth stay up? well a god held it on his shoulders. how did thunder happen? a god gets mad and throws them down. science explained how both of those things happen by an explanation accepted by most of the world.
if (big if, but just for argument sake) we find a series of well preserved fossils that show exactly how evolution of man happened from apes. what then?
dr j> i don't think religion was used to control people at the begining. all the major religions stress living a good life. its jsut societies nature to figure out things. hamurabi's code was thousands of years before christ. it still found killing to be wrong. however, it was used that way quickly afterwards.
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Would an infinitely merciful God?
I think so.
AllMost of his laws are to "better" a person. Agree? (I would say all, but I don't know all of them)That's what I don't understand -- how can "he" be forgiving and compassionate and want you to better yourself and be merciful, but ONLY to the people who believe in him. What about those who are agnostic -- they never said they don't believe in him, just that they're not sure if he exists or not... So they should be punished even if they bettered their lives and lived by MOST of his laws, but never believed in him?
somewhat hypocritical IMHO.
--If you didn't believe in god, and there was no god -- nothing gained, nothing lost.
--If you didn't believe in god, and there was a god -- you lost EVERYTHING (assuming god is going to look ONLY at the fact whether you believed or not, and NOT on the fact of how you lived your life.)
--If you did believe in god, and there was no god -- nothing gained, but you lost the time you spend while living your life praising god. Yes some good things did come out of it -- in most cases you became a better person. In some cases people tithe or pay the church or etc, and then they lost money.
--If you did believe in god, and there was a god -- then you won EVERYTHING, period.
Yes the gain is probably somewhat greater than the loss, in all 4 of the above cases, but that still wont make me believe in god. (too many if's and but's).
*sorry to those that take offense that I type God and religions in lower case, it's not a statement that I'm protesting it (maybe subconsciously it is...) I'm just lazy.
I tried to make that post as unbiased as I could
As to the things that can not be explained by science, it could be one of two things:
1. We don't have the resources to explain them YET (and possibly never will).
2. God.
I'm not denying the existence of god, I think I'm on the same page as Mav, unless you can prove it to me, I don't believe, but if you can prove it to me, you'll have a believer.
AllMost of his laws are to "better" a person. Agree? (I would say all, but I don't know all of them)That's what I don't understand -- how can "he" be forgiving and compassionate and want you to better yourself and be merciful, but ONLY to the people who believe in him. What about those who are agnostic -- they never said they don't believe in him, just that they're not sure if he exists or not... So they should be punished even if they bettered their lives and lived by MOST of his laws, but never believed in him?
somewhat hypocritical IMHO.
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