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December 2, 2007 at
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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I want to believe in a higher power, in a purpose to all this pain and suffering and a better outcome in the end. But I just can't accept that any higher power/deity would allow some of the horrendous things that people do to others. I've been on the receiving end of some of that horror and I just can't see a greater purpose that would justify this. I think there is no devil, that evil is in the hearts and minds of some people and that they created the 'devil' to excuse their actions.
People have also used god as an excuse to do horrific things to others over the centuries. They killed people of other faiths in the name of their religion. They even killed and tortured people who believed in the same god solely because their way of worshiping that same god was different from the "true faith". So yes, it's hard for me, for all of these reasons, to believe in a higher power.
How do we know that the human brain can't send messages to other people without talking to them? It could, but maybe we as a human race have not learned to do it (this theory, to me, is less far fetched than believing god did it).
When I was in college, I was in a real bad car wreck. I was sleeping in the passenger seat when my roommate lost control on I-95. We did 360s down I-95, flipped over, slid about 50 yards upside-down into the water. All the glass shattered around us. I walked away with nothing but a piece of glass in my elbow. Did God play a part? How many people would say he did? Well, I say "I just don't know". If he did, "thanks a bunch God". But, I have no evidence to believe that he chose that it wasn't my time to go. I have no reason to believe anything other than that I was one lucky son of a bitch. It was 12:18 AM. At this time, my mother woke up suddenly from a deep sleep 250 miles away. Coincidence? Or did someone tell her something? I simply do not know.
"simply not knowing" is still a thousand times better than saying "GOD DOES NOT INDEED EXIST".... I'm fine w/ people saying that "they don't know" - but I have a problem when ppl say "God for sure doesn't exist"....
At least give it a chance, give God a chance to show you... To prove His existence.... BUT, this means that, YOU Mav, also have to accept that if you believe God IS trying to show you something - that He DOES exist...
Keep your mind open about God, and when the time is right - He will be there for you... But when you walk away from a car crash like that (Mav) - don't slap Him in the face and say "nah, even though the odds were completely against me surviving that crash (or at the min. getting out of it w/o a scratch) - I still believe that it was a random lucky coincidence..."
It's ok to say "I still haven't made up my mind up about God" - but you do yourself and your creator a disservice when you say that you got "lucky"...
Remember (everyone) - God is not reliant upon your belief in Him for Him to exist. He exists w/o your belief in Him.
"simply not knowing" is still a thousand times better than saying "GOD DOES NOT INDEED EXIST".... I'm fine w/ people saying that "they don't know" - but I have a problem when ppl say "God for sure doesn't exist"....
At least give it a chance, give God a chance to show you... To prove His existence.... BUT, this means that, YOU Mav, also have to accept that if you believe God IS trying to show you something - that He DOES exist...
Keep your mind open about God, and when the time is right - He will be there for you... But when you walk away from a car crash like that (Mav) - don't slap Him in the face and say "nah, even though the odds were completely against me surviving that crash (or at the min. getting out of it w/o a scratch) - I still believe that it was a random lucky coincidence..."
It's ok to say "I still haven't made up my mind up about God" - but you do yourself and your creator a disservice when you say that you got "lucky"...
Remember (everyone) - God is not reliant upon your belief in Him for Him to exist. He exists w/o your belief in Him.
How do we know that the human brain can't send messages to other people without talking to them? It could, but maybe we as a human race have not learned to do it (this theory, to me, is less far fetched than believing god did it).
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i have more faith in sciencetific method though, then something written thousands of years ago. that's me.i put my faith in man eventually figuring out how the universe leads instead of saying i don't know, a creator must have done it.
I think the religious folk should spend more time questioning their faith and their beliefs and be more pragmatic. Not well some guy built a boat and fit every specious of animal x 2 on it.
It's funny because many people give mormons slack because mr. smith was a bit of a wackjob and created an extra book to go along with the bible, but to take it into consideration that is maybe how their religion started would be blasphemous.
also what if the bible were just the work of the devil trying to trick you all.... ooo evil...because you know if g_d says the devil is as tricky as he says he is and I were the devil that is the first thing I would have done. I would have written a book for everyone to believe I was the good guy.
EDIT: telepathy.
"simply not knowing" is still a thousand times better than saying "GOD DOES NOT INDEED EXIST".... I'm fine w/ people saying that "they don't know" - but I have a problem when ppl say "God for sure doesn't exist"....
At least give it a chance, give God a chance to show you... To prove His existence.... BUT, this means that, YOU Mav, also have to accept that if you believe God IS trying to show you something - that He DOES exist...
Keep your mind open about God, and when the time is right - He will be there for you... But when you walk away from a car crash like that (Mav) - don't slap Him in the face and say "nah, even though the odds were completely against me surviving that crash (or at the min. getting out of it w/o a scratch) - I still believe that it was a random lucky coincidence..."
It's ok to say "I still haven't made up my mind up about God" - but you do yourself and your creator a disservice when you say that you got "lucky"...
Remember (everyone) - God is not reliant upon your belief in Him for Him to exist. He exists w/o your belief in Him.
And covertcelery, how can you believe in god but not believe in telepathy? Telepathy is more believable to me, doesn't mean I'm saying that it exists.
I want you guys to prove a theory for me.... Max, and Arj.... And just for the heck of it.... For science sake even..???
Say the following words out loud to yourselves (I know you might feel stupid, but just promise me that you'll do it): "God, I don't know if you exist or not... Maybe I'm wasting my time; but I would rather waste 15 seconds of my time to be proven wrong IF you do exist. Help me see...."
This isn't a Chia Pet project, so its not like you'll say this, and BAM - God appears in 24 hours right in front of you... But for the sake of science and the quest for human knowledge say that out loud, and I will make sure and pray for you two...
You never know... I'm not trying to force anything upon anyone... If you two really wonder, then you shouldn't have any problem at least saying it... You won't have to do anything else. If God does exist, He will take things from there...
Wait.... I've received a "mind signal" from someone..........................
Dang it... I hope AT&T won't charge me for this thing!
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I want you guys to prove a theory for me.... Max, and Arj.... And just for the heck of it.... For science sake even..???
Say the following words out loud to yourselves (I know you might feel stupid, but just promise me that you'll do it): "God, I don't know if you exist or not... Maybe I'm wasting my time; but I would rather waste 15 seconds of my time to be proven wrong IF you do exist. Help me see...."
This isn't a Chia Pet project, so its not like you'll say this, and BAM - God appears in 24 hours right in front of you... But for the sake of science and the quest for human knowledge say that out loud, and I will make sure and pray for you two...
You never know... I'm not trying to force anything upon anyone... If you two really wonder, then you shouldn't have any problem at least saying it... You won't have to do anything else. If God does exist, He will take things from there...
Wait.... I've received a "mind signal" from someone..........................
Dang it... I hope AT&T won't charge me for this thing!