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December 2, 2007 at
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personal attacks will not be tolerated and will be mod alerted, if you wish to set someone apart use generalities, such as specific religion not speific person on SD for example
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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you dont get the right to feel insulted, u have been warned...
so, peeps, if you dont believe in god, do you feel that ones that do are delusional?
a lot of people will sight karma or other things as 'he got what he had coming' but i argue that it's all a mathematical randomness that on a small scale might seem like karma
perfect example is: when you play poker and u push with the best hand, a LOT of times, you can predict/be so sure that the card will come that will beat you even if the chance of it coming is less than 1:6. when the card comes, some might argue it as karma, but i argue that its all random, just on a small scale randomness doesn't work
discuss....
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So we cloned but didn't clone because g_d would have had to alter the chromosome that makes me a man and yourself a woman and therefore by definition would not be cloning.
Cloning by definition means genetically identical...in this case Eve would have to have a X-chromosome in place of the Y-chromosome Adam gave her and therefore not genetically identical.
If you think my GF is not pretty, I might be interested in why, but it won't effect what I think of her.
Remember questioning is different from insulting.
If I ask you questions and try to learn why you believe what you believe, or even lead you to see a flaw in what you believe, that is not insulting.
If I tell you your religion is stupid and only an idiot could fall for such piss poor lies, that's an insult.
The latter drawing defense is nothing noteworthy, the former I would say should not draw defense from someone who is sure they are right.
I personally love being questioned on what I "know" to be right, because I like being right and I like proving it. I would think anyone who knows they are right would love an opportunity to prove it by answer any questions about the subject.
This may come from my belief in the scientific method in which the person who doubts and questions and theorem the most vehimantly will be the person who created it.
I think everyone owes it to themselves to try and prove themselves wrong on any significant subject.
The first step to believing something is true is not being able to prove to myself it's not.
Then we move on to other people trying to prove it's not.
I do believe science and religion basically try to answer the same questions just with different methodology. In that sense science is a religion (I would say the religion I go by) the main difference being science admits it's the process of trying to find the answers, religion claims to be the answers. I can respect someone who admits what they don't know, but when religion changes what they say over the years, it makes it harder for me to respect.
If God said so, and God is always right, then those things should always be true. And if people are flawed, and that is the excuse for changing what God said (God didn't make a mistake, we interpreted it wrong) then there is no credibility to be had anywhere as how can I believe what you interpret for me to be true, if that interpretation can simply be wrong all the time?
Of course that only applies for some religions, which is another problem with arguing religion... we often argue Christianity as if that's religion.. there are plenty of other views which do not share the same views as Christianity so aren't effected by the same arguments.
If you think my GF is not pretty, I might be interested in why, but it won't effect what I think of her.
Remember questioning is different from insulting.
If I ask you questions and try to learn why you believe what you believe, or even lead you to see a flaw in what you believe, that is not insulting.
If I tell you your religion is stupid and only an idiot could fall for such piss poor lies, that's an insult.
The latter drawing defense is nothing noteworthy, the former I would say should not draw defense from someone who is sure they are right.
I personally love being questioned on what I "know" to be right, because I like being right and I like proving it. I would think anyone who knows they are right would love an opportunity to prove it by answer any questions about the subject.
This may come from my belief in the scientific method in which the person who doubts and questions and theorem the most vehimantly will be the person who created it.
I think everyone owes it to themselves to try and prove themselves wrong on any significant subject.
The first step to believing something is true is not being able to prove to myself it's not.
Then we move on to other people trying to prove it's not.
You are absolutely correct though, no one should object to questions. Becoming defensive certainly will never help the conversation. I do think that passion and emotion enter in for some people, especially when experiences are personal. The problem with being questioned is, of course, that non-believers are seeking physical proof. Believers cannot offer physical proof, because belief is by its nature, faith. Therefore, this is an eternal struggle. Either someone will have faith, or they will not.
Wu wonderfully summed up why one might be defensive with regards to her/his faith here.
I do understand you though. When someone INSISTS that something is tasty, you really wonder why they want you to take a bite so badly.
I am really enjoying reading your posts in this thread! Glad you joined the discussion :-)
You make some some excellent points, and very well-stated I might add.
It's just not practical
My argument was that God could create it to look however He wanted... and if He wanted to make it look like it took 6 million years He could in such a way that humans could not disprove it.
Kind of like if I program a computer game, I can create a mountain in the game, do it in a few hours, but set all the attributes and build it so that anyone in the game cannot distinguish it from a mountain that took 5 years to create.
I think my main problem with most religions is they demand a self fulfilling prophecy.
God can do anything.
Why?
Because He is God. If you are God, you can do anything. Therefore, since God is a God, He can do anything.
It's kind of like: You can control the roll of the dice by thinking positively or negatively, however if you roll the dice, and they don't roll according to how you thought, you simply didn't think hard enough or think right.
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And that, my friend, is called free-will.
It's just not practical
In fact they know it's not a myth.
That is more than I can cay for many of my fellow men (and women)...
Prove it.
Prove it.
Love and faith are two different things.
That fact that (I am assuming here) you love your mother but can't prove it is proof of that
That fact that (I am assuming here) you love your mother but can't prove it is proof of that
You could prove a believer loves god the same way, but you can't prove that god exists.
so your conclusion is invalid, please play again
You could prove a believer loves god the same way, but you can't prove that god exists.
so your conclusion is invalid, please play again.
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