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Seahawks or Patriots? Who are you rooting for?

13 14 January 30, 2015 at 06:50 AM in Question
Who are you rooting for on Superbowl Sunday?

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llewxam
02-02-2015 at 11:02 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:02 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
But Lynch was only 1 for 5 this season from the 1 yard line.
Wilson can run too.

If they were going to throw, at least don't throw it into the middle. It was the riskiest play, when they had other options.

Would you have called that play if you were Carroll?
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PaintTheSkyGrey
02-02-2015 at 11:07 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:07 AM.
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^^^ this, you always have to go for the points. Points win a game.
And if they had run on that play and not succeeded, then what?

They waste a TO, swap out players... Try another run, and hinge everything on that? They had to pass on either 2nd or 3rd. It made the most sense to pass on 2nd, to save the TO for 3rd.
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02-02-2015 at 11:08 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:08 AM.
If the pass was completed, people would be talking about what a genius Pete Carroll is and how he fooled the Patriots who were ready to defend against the run.
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02-02-2015 at 11:12 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:12 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
And if they had run on that play and not succeeded, then what?

They waste a TO, swap out players... Try another run, and hinge everything on that? They had to pass on either 2nd or 3rd. It made the most sense to pass on 2nd, to save the TO for 3rd.
Disagree You always go for the points. You don't think about on the other downs. You try to freaking score. Sorry but IMO it was a dumb move. At least throw it low or something. Should have ran it, then ran it again. They had plenty of time.

On another note, amazing play by Butler. nod
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02-02-2015 at 11:13 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:13 AM.
Quote from llewxam :
Wilson can run too.

If they were going to throw, at least don't throw it into the middle. It was the riskiest play, when they had other options.

Would you have called that play if you were Carroll?
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They had to throw at one point instead of putting their eggs all in one basket. Wilson didn't run because it looked like dude was open. Butler surprised him. Hindsight is 20/20.
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02-02-2015 at 11:13 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:13 AM.
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If the pass was completed, people would be talking about what a genius Pere Carroll is and how he fooled the Patriots who were ready to defend against the run.
nah, because everyone thought the game was over anyways..so pass or run wouldn't have mattered.
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PaintTheSkyGrey
02-02-2015 at 11:17 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:17 AM.
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Disagree You always go for the points. You don't think about on the other downs. You try to freaking score. Sorry but IMO it was a dumb move. At least throw it low or something. Should have ran it, then ran it again. They had plenty of time.

On another note, amazing play by Butler. nod
Again, see above. Dude looked wide open from Wilson's POV.

They could have tried to run it once with their non-goal line running team. But the Pats had done a pretty good job of stopping Lynch when it was predictable he was going to be running it. That would have left them with only one other opportunity to run it in if it failed, since the clock doesn't stop (after the second attempt). They ultimately had two running chances with one of those not being with the right personnel to run it.

It's also foolish to not think about the future downs. If you don't strategize or think ahead, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.
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02-02-2015 at 11:21 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:21 AM.
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Again, see above. Dude looked wide open from Wilson's POV.

They could have tried to run it once with their non-goal line running team. But the Pats had done a pretty good job of stopping Lynch when it was predictable he was going to be running it. That would have left them with only one other opportunity to run it in if it failed, since the clock doesn't stop (after the second attempt). They ultimately had two running chances with one of those not being with the right personnel to run it.

It's also foolish to not think about the future downs. If you don't strategize or think ahead, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.

Well it's easy to play Monday Morning QB, in reality it doesn't matter much. Games over. Whee
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02-02-2015 at 11:25 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:25 AM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
Again, see above. Dude looked wide open from Wilson's POV.

They could have tried to run it once with their non-goal line running team. But the Pats had done a pretty good job of stopping Lynch when it was predictable he was going to be running it. That would have left them with only one other opportunity to run it in if it failed, since the clock doesn't stop (after the second attempt). They ultimately had two running chances with one of those not being with the right personnel to run it.

It's also foolish to not think about the future downs. If you don't strategize or think ahead, I'm pretty sure you're doing it wrong.
Yeah that throw looks pretty good from the QB's POV.
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llewxam
02-02-2015 at 11:31 AM.
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Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
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They had to throw at one point instead of putting their eggs all in one basket. Wilson didn't run because it looked like dude was open. Butler surprised him. Hindsight is 20/20.
Wilson didn't run because the coaches drew up that play.

Out of all the options Hawks had, would you have chosen that play?
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02-02-2015 at 11:35 AM.
02-02-2015 at 11:35 AM.
Quote from llewxam :
Wilson didn't run because the coaches drew up that play.

Out of all the options Hawks had, would you have chosen that play?
I don't know. I don't make 6-7 figures to study the Patriots' defense and come up with plays. I'm saying it makes sense from an objective standpoint as to why they would have chosen to throw it instead of run it in that particular scenario.
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Iaaaiws
02-02-2015 at 12:00 PM.
02-02-2015 at 12:00 PM.
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Good look at the hard count that led to the encroachment penalty.
In the past I have occasionally seen them call that quick head bob by the center as drawing the defense offside.

Watching that it almost looks like Seattle is trying to get the Pats line to flinch and the one dufus loses his balance. laugh out loud

Without the sound you don't really get the effect of the hard count.
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02-02-2015 at 12:06 PM.
02-02-2015 at 12:06 PM.
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In the past I have occasionally seen them call that quick head bob by the center as drawing the defense offside.

Watching that it almost looks like Seattle is trying to get the Pats line to flinch and the one dufus loses his balance. laugh out loud

Without the sound you don't really get the effect of the hard count.
He started to commit and then got nudged by a teammate and fully committed.
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02-02-2015 at 12:07 PM.
02-02-2015 at 12:07 PM.
Quote from PaintTheSkyGrey :
I don't know. I don't make 6-7 figures to study the Patriots' defense and come up with plays. I'm saying it makes sense from an objective standpoint as to why they would have chosen to throw it instead of run it in that particular scenario.

But you sure have strong opinion on why throwing to the middle was a good call. You just don't want to admit you would have chosen to run and the Hawks coaches totally messed up. From the ESPN poll, 80% of the people in New England area said Lynch could have scored; for rest of the country, over 90%.
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02-02-2015 at 12:10 PM.
02-02-2015 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from llewxam :
But you sure have strong opinion on why throwing to the middle was a good call. You just don't want to admit you would have chosen to run and the Hawks coaches totally messed up. From the ESPN poll, 80% of the people in New England area said Lynch could have scored; for rest of the country, over 90%.
No, I don't know enough about the Patriots to make the call. However, I can understand why it was made.

And what do polls have to do with statistical evidence?

If they chose to run the ball, Lynch may have scored.
If Butler wasn't as perceptive, they would have scored a touch down.
If Lynch had turned on "Beast Mode" and not stopped at .5 yards from the end zone, it would have been a TD.
If ifs and ands were pots and pans...
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