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NASCAR 2015 No OT please Chase for the Sprint Cup CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND Final Race: Ford EcoBoost 400 at Homestead-Miami Speedway

25,141 707 February 14, 2015 at 05:42 PM in Autos
I haven't ever seen much love around here for Nascar but I figured I would see if there is enough discussion to warrant a thread.

If you don't like Nascar, if you don't get Nascar, if all it looks like to you is driving around in a circle then just go away.

If you aren't aware of the huge changes that Nascar has made in recent years it may be worth another look. Quite a few years back they started a "playoff" system known as The Chase. Last year they made a huge change in that by using an elimination system in the playoff to reduce the remaining racers eligible for the championship after each round. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the details now, but I'm interested in other opinions on both having a playoff and the way Nascar is doing it.

I welcome negative comments, but just keep it respectful and including reasons for them. If you just want to insult Nascar and oval-racing then go somewhere else.

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02-24-2015 at 11:18 AM.
02-24-2015 at 11:18 AM.
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True, true, but he's also dead. I prefer clean racing, but I guess maybe that's what "wrong" with the sport according to most of the older fans.
I enjoy "hard, clean racing" but also know that rubbin is racin.
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02-24-2015 at 11:56 AM.
02-24-2015 at 11:56 AM.
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Great weekend except for that weasel Logano winning. I can't stand him personally.
I don't really hate Logano, but he does seems like a little brat at time... And the guys on TV didn't help him at ALL this weekend. They were talking about him/his family...and they said that when the family moved to Charlotte to help get Joey into NASCAR, that there wasn't an Ice Rink around where his sister could continue to ice skate. So his dad BUILT AN ENTIRE FARKING ICE RINK so she could keep practicing. I mean...c'mon man.

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Kyle Busch getting hurt sucked. I'm not a fan, but you never want to see a driver get hurt, especially in a non-Cup race. I wonder if some of those guys will reevaluate running Nationwide/Xfinity/Whatever series now.
You think they are just now realizing that they can get hurt when they get into a race car? laugh out loud
Keselowski broke his ankle during practice that was completely disconnected from a Cup race...I doubt that means he thought he would never practice again. [He also won the Cup race that weekend!]
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True, true, but he's also dead. I prefer clean racing, but I guess maybe that's what "wrong" with the sport according to most of the older fans.
I agree with the Rubbin is Racing. Bumping into other cars does not mean you are not being 'clean'.
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02-24-2015 at 02:00 PM.
02-24-2015 at 02:00 PM.
Quote from AtomicLush :
True, true, but he's also dead. I prefer clean racing, but I guess maybe that's what "wrong" with the sport according to most of the older fans.
You would have to convince me that most older fans feel that way because I don't believe it. You might get some older fans grumbling when some inexperienced punk comes in and tries to bounce other drivers around on the track but the older fans I know wish there was more bumping and banging like there used to be. The term "Chrome Horn" obviously wasn't coined in the days of plastic bumpers. laugh out loud
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02-25-2015 at 03:50 PM.
02-25-2015 at 03:50 PM.
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You would have to convince me that most older fans feel that way because I don't believe it. You might get some older fans grumbling when some inexperienced punk comes in and tries to bounce other drivers around on the track but the older fans I know wish there was more bumping and banging like there used to be. The term "Chrome Horn" obviously wasn't coined in the days of plastic bumpers. laugh out loud
Hmm, sorry if I wasn't more clear, but I meant the opposite. My observation is that older fans liked the bumping and watching the cars fly across the track, and think the cleaner racing is boring.
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02-25-2015 at 04:34 PM.
02-25-2015 at 04:34 PM.
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Hmm, sorry if I wasn't more clear, but I meant the opposite. My observation is that older fans liked the bumping and watching the cars fly across the track, and think the cleaner racing is boring.
Ah sorry, I read it again and see that I just got it wrong.

I don't like dirty racing. But that is a completely different animal than rough racing. I think the type of track pretty much dictates the kind of racing. Other than bump-drafting you aren't going to see much hard contact between cars on the super-speedways (other than wrecks of course). There is just too much chance of taking yourself out if you try to knock someone else out of your way. That and you can't afford to do even minor damage to your own car on those tracks or you lose too much speed. And at the other end of the spectrum you have a track like Bristol where you aren't going to have much chance to pass anyone if you don't mix it up a little.
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02-25-2015 at 05:19 PM.
02-25-2015 at 05:19 PM.
David Ragan is subbing for Kyle Busch this weekend. Since he had a full-time ride, Joe Nemechek gets in Ragan's car for the weekend.

Silly season anyone? laugh out loud
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02-25-2015 at 05:47 PM.
02-25-2015 at 05:47 PM.
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David Ragan is subbing for Kyle Busch this weekend. Since he had a full-time ride, Joe Nemechek gets in Ragan's car for the weekend.

Silly season anyone? laugh out loud
Let's make it even sillier. David Ragan gets a chance to drive arguable superior equipment substituting for Kyle. In the 18 car it isn't unreasonable to think he could even win a race. So, suppose he gets a win in Kyle's car. Then later in the season Kyle comes back and Ragan goes back to the 34 car and finishes out the season. Front Row Motorsports and the 34 car would be in The Chase with Ragan driving and Kyle and the 18 car wouldn't be. Ragan would have met all of the qualifications to be eligible for The Chase and Kyle wouldn't have.

That is the way I heard it could work out.
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02-25-2015 at 06:13 PM.
02-25-2015 at 06:13 PM.
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Let's make it even sillier. David Ragan gets a chance to drive arguable superior equipment substituting for Kyle. In the 18 car it isn't unreasonable to think he could even win a race. So, suppose he gets a win in Kyle's car. Then later in the season Kyle comes back and Ragan goes back to the 34 car and finishes out the season. Front Row Motorsports and the 34 car would be in The Chase with Ragan driving and Kyle and the 18 car wouldn't be. Ragan would have met all of the qualifications to be eligible for The Chase and Kyle wouldn't have.

That is the way I heard it could work out.
I'm not sure if Ragan would be Chase eligible, or if the 18 car would be. I don't remember if they use driver or owner points to determine who makes the Chase.

Busch can always get a medical exemption to get in the Chase if he wins a race after returning from his injuries, since he hasn't been medically cleared by NASCAR to drive. That's why Hamlin was eligible for the Chase last season despite missing a race.
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02-25-2015 at 06:37 PM.
02-25-2015 at 06:37 PM.
Quote from w3kn :
I'm not sure if Ragan would be Chase eligible, or if the 18 car would be. I don't remember if they use driver or owner points to determine who makes the Chase.

Busch can always get a medical exemption to get in the Chase if he wins a race after returning from his injuries, since he hasn't been medically cleared by NASCAR to drive. That's why Hamlin was eligible for the Chase last season despite missing a race.
It goes by the driver points and not owner points from what I know.

And Kyle would still have to come back in time to accumulate enough points to be in the top 30 in points, which isn't likely. Stewart also got an exemption last year but never got a win to fill that part of the qualification.
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02-25-2015 at 06:54 PM.
02-25-2015 at 06:54 PM.
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It goes by the driver points and not owner points from what I know.

And Kyle would still have to come back in time to accumulate enough points to be in the top 30 in points, which isn't likely. Stewart also got an exemption last year but never got a win to fill that part of the qualification.
I think you're correct about driver points.

And you never know - Most of the teams below 30th in points are pretty bad, so it's conceivable that Busch could make it into the top 30 even if he misses 6-8 races.
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02-27-2015 at 08:55 AM.
02-27-2015 at 08:55 AM.
Um, what?

http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-...lanta.html

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Team Xtreme confirmed Friday that its No. 44 entry for this weekend's race at Atlanta Motor Speedway was stolen in the morning hours outside the team's hotel.
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02-27-2015 at 01:34 PM.
02-27-2015 at 01:34 PM.
I saw that a little while ago. Wtf? They had to withdraw from the race this weekend. I'm guessing they didn't have a backup car.

Everybody talks about the huge money involved in Nascar and how much the top drivers and teams make. It is easy to forget about these smaller teams that may have the talent and even the primary equipment to compete, but when it comes to a major setback like that they just don't have the funds to have another car ready to go at a moment's notice.

Somewhere in the Atlanta area, at some random local oval track, there is going to be a really fast car with a fresh rattle-can paint job showing up as a last minute entry in the late-model division. laugh out loud
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02-27-2015 at 03:32 PM.
02-27-2015 at 03:32 PM.
If Nascar was looking to add drama to make the sport more interesting they certainly have succeeded at that. Qualifying has again turned into one big clusterfark with a bunch of cars still stuck in the inspection line and the first round of elimination qualifying is over.

I'm not sure how that is going to affect qualifying positions, let alone who even makes the race.
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02-27-2015 at 04:16 PM.
02-27-2015 at 04:16 PM.
Gordon, Stewart, Kenseth and Johnson didn't even get on the track to qualify. Of course all will make the race with the various provisionals in place, but those are four pretty influential voices that most likely will be offering Nascar some pretty strong opinions on how farked up this qualifying went.

It will be interesting to see where the blame ends up falling. Nascar seems to be of the opinion that it falls on the teams who waited too long before going to inspection in the first place and they should have anticipated problems and cars not passing inspection the first time around with all the new rules in place this year.

I'm thinking that if many of the cars were failing the same part of the inspection (and I have no idea if this is the case or not) then there may have been some confusion with the rules or maybe there was some other reason why so many had problems. Maybe Nascar should have anticipated problems as well and scheduled things so there was plenty of time between inspection and qualifying.
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02-27-2015 at 06:59 PM.
02-27-2015 at 06:59 PM.
Quote from Iaaaiws :
I saw that a little while ago. Wtf? They had to withdraw from the race this weekend. I'm guessing they didn't have a backup car.

Everybody talks about the huge money involved in Nascar and how much the top drivers and teams make. It is easy to forget about these smaller teams that may have the talent and even the primary equipment to compete, but when it comes to a major setback like that they just don't have the funds to have another car ready to go at a moment's notice.

Somewhere in the Atlanta area, at some random local oval track, there is going to be a really fast car with a fresh rattle-can paint job showing up as a last minute entry in the late-model division. laugh out loud
Xtreme Motorsports was the team that almost had to withdraw from the Daytona 500 because their primary car got wrecked in practice. So they probably only have 1-2 "race ready" cars available. It's too bad that one of the other big money teams couldn't either loan or somehow get them a car. I guess they don't want to risk not having a backup car available if their primary gets wrecked, but can you imagine the PR move if Hendrick gives up Kasey Kahne's backup car so Xtreme doesn't have to withdraw?

It sounds like the hauler left early to beat the impending weather, and the primary car wasn't ready. So they took a smaller trailer down the next day, and that's what got stolen. My guess is somebody knew what they were carrying and targeted them.
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