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NASCAR 2015 No OT please Chase for the Sprint Cup CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND Final Race: Ford EcoBoost 400 at Homestead-Miami Speedway

25,141 707 February 14, 2015 at 05:42 PM in Autos
I haven't ever seen much love around here for Nascar but I figured I would see if there is enough discussion to warrant a thread.

If you don't like Nascar, if you don't get Nascar, if all it looks like to you is driving around in a circle then just go away.

If you aren't aware of the huge changes that Nascar has made in recent years it may be worth another look. Quite a few years back they started a "playoff" system known as The Chase. Last year they made a huge change in that by using an elimination system in the playoff to reduce the remaining racers eligible for the championship after each round. I'm not going to spend a lot of time on the details now, but I'm interested in other opinions on both having a playoff and the way Nascar is doing it.

I welcome negative comments, but just keep it respectful and including reasons for them. If you just want to insult Nascar and oval-racing then go somewhere else.

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04-27-2015 at 04:44 AM.
04-27-2015 at 04:44 AM.
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Short track racing just shouldn't have that little action. When two drivers lead all but 15 laps it isn't that fun to watch. I'm kind of mixed on Kurt Busch. I think I've said before that I'm not much of a fan of any of the individual drivers, but I do root for Stewart/Haas as a team overall. So while I'm kind of indifferent to Kurt winning it is cool to see two Stewart/Haas cars finish first and second. Good thing those two are carrying the load because Tony and Danica aren't going to be competing for any championships anytime soon. After last week when Danica climbed up to 13th in the points standing the talk started that she could end up in position to get in the Chase on points if there end up being fewer than 16 race winners. Not that it couldn't still happen, but I thought that was a bit early to start getting their hopes up.

Stewart was having a pretty good week again until he pretty much wrecked himself near the end. Not a whole lot else going on other than a bunch of cars in single file without much passing. At least not that I saw--I dozed off again for quite a few laps in the middle. Almost seemed more like a 1.5 mile track than a 3/4 mile.

Next week Talladega. I might get to watch about a quarter of that one and then will have to listen to the end on the radio at work.
I was at the race (free ticket thanks to Bank of America) and almost dozed off during the race. I don't know what happened to Richmond, but both the Xfinity and Cup races were dull, boring, and lacked any kind of pizzazz.

To me, the Xfinity series is done. It's down to basically Gibbs, Penske, and Chase Elliott running away with everything. Roush occasionally runs well, but that series to me is really hurting. It used to be a breeding ground for tomorrow's stars - now it's just where old Cup drivers and never will bes go.

Didn't help that Hamlin was a non-factor yesterday. But when a guy leads more than half a short track race and there were I believe 2 passes for the lead under green, it makes for a not so exciting day for the fans.
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04-27-2015 at 05:51 AM.
04-27-2015 at 05:51 AM.
That was the first race I have watched in ages, and it sure was uneventful. I was hoping Harvick would make a run for some sort of exciting finish, but no one was catching Busch.

I was amazed by how empty the stands seemed to be. (I didn't realize that the race was supposed to be held Saturday night.) I wonder how attendance is trending this year?
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04-27-2015 at 06:28 AM.
04-27-2015 at 06:28 AM.
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That was the first race I have watched in ages, and it sure was uneventful. I was hoping Harvick would make a run for some sort of exciting finish, but no one was catching Busch.

I was amazed by how empty the stands seemed to be. (I didn't realize that the race was supposed to be held Saturday night.) I wonder how attendance is trending this year?
I'd estimate the stands were 65-70% full yesterday. Decent crowd.

The crowds are down everywhere. Even Daytona didn't sell out this year. Bristol had a ton of empty seats, but weather was a factor there. People have been saying that other tracks are down as well. I think Phoenix was the only "sellout" of the season.
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04-27-2015 at 08:29 AM.
04-27-2015 at 08:29 AM.
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To me, the Xfinity series is done. It's down to basically Gibbs, Penske, and Chase Elliott running away with everything. Roush occasionally runs well, but that series to me is really hurting. It used to be a breeding ground for tomorrow's stars - now it's just where old Cup drivers and never will bes go.

Didn't help that Hamlin was a non-factor yesterday. But when a guy leads more than half a short track race and there were I believe 2 passes for the lead under green, it makes for a not so exciting day for the fans.
It sucks because there is some good action back in the pack in the Xfinity races but it never really means anything or they just don't show enough of it. Xfinity has its moments of great racing but unfortunately those moments are pretty rare. I've even watched some of the smaller series races that seem like they offer better competition. I think I've come across some of the K&N Pro Series that were fun to watch. I don't know any of the drivers so it is kind of nice watching races without being aware of who the usual favorites are. I just like good racing.

Speaking of which I find myself back watching Supercross or Arenacross motocross races lately. I've been a fan of that since I was a kid in the 70's when about the only way I could see any of that action was in pictures in magazines. There seems to be more and more of that showing up on tv. I catch it quite often on FS1 but it was even on the regular Fox channel this weekend for the first time ever. That is some serious racing where it mostly falls to the driver and not technology.
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04-27-2015 at 09:10 AM.
04-27-2015 at 09:10 AM.
Maybe the best part of the race yesterday. laugh out loud

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05-01-2015 at 09:58 PM.
05-01-2015 at 09:58 PM.
Wicked wreck for Brad Smith in the Arca series at Talladega today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2EkDE-2w7g

That is a nasty hit just when the two cars came together, and after that Smith's car hits the outside wall and goes all the way across to the inside wall with the throttle stuck wide open. Just before hitting the wall the car hits a small drainage ditch and comes off the ground a little. The left front of the car was already destroyed from the initial collision and then the car hits the wall with that same corner. Man, what an impact. If that hadn't been a safer-barrier wall this would not have ended well. Smith was helped out of the car and was able to walk to the stretcher. He was airlifted to the hospital.
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05-03-2015 at 06:25 PM.
05-03-2015 at 06:25 PM.
Boring Talladega race. I absolutely hate the rules package. Nobody can pass for the lead, especially when a Hendrick car is out front, unless it's another Hendrick car.
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05-03-2015 at 09:51 PM.
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Boring Talladega race. I absolutely hate the rules package. Nobody can pass for the lead, especially when a Hendrick car is out front, unless it's another Hendrick car.
I don't mind so much that it is hard to pass for the lead--it should be. I just wish the penalty for trying wasn't so severe The way it is now if someone makes a move and they don't have any help or nobody goes with them they are screwed and they end up falling all the way to the back. Knowing that, I think a lot of drivers are just afraid to make the attempt to pass in the first place.

The problem is what can they do to fix that? Several year back they made some changes to the cars to try to break up the pack racing and it worked, but it resulted in the two-car "tandem drafting". I think I was the only Nascar fan on the planet that liked the tandem drafting. It wasn't ideal, but at least it was better racing. If you could sort of ignore that it was two-car teams it was like really good racing between very long cars. laugh out loud

But that was never very popular and they made more changes that brought back the pack racing and now it seems even harder to pass without being in a long line of cars. I think we're just kind of stuck with it on the super-speedways.
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05-03-2015 at 10:08 PM.
05-03-2015 at 10:08 PM.
Nice to see Earnhardt Jr get the win today. I'm not a particularly big fan of him but now that he has a fellow Yooper for a crew chief (Greg Ives) he is on my list of drivers to pull for.

Despite their finishes, Tony Stewart (19th) and Danica Patrick (21st) both had pretty good days. Stewart led some laps and ran in the top ten quite a bit of the race. Danica's car was stuck in 4th gear for much of the race but she made it up into the top 5 and ran pretty well for a lot of the race. Both of them were willing to try to make things happen and got shuffled back several times after losing the draft. They both made it back to the front a couple of times after falling back, and they just ended up getting caught back in the pack near the end of the race. Playing it safer might have ended up in a better finish for both but I like the effort that they gave it.

It was probably more boring watching on tv than listening on the radio so I'm kind of glad I had to work.
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05-04-2015 at 04:24 AM.
05-04-2015 at 04:24 AM.
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Nice to see Earnhardt Jr get the win today. I'm not a particularly big fan of him but now that he has a fellow Yooper for a crew chief (Greg Ives) he is on my list of drivers to pull for.

Despite their finishes, Tony Stewart (19th) and Danica Patrick (21st) both had pretty good days. Stewart led some laps and ran in the top ten quite a bit of the race. Danica's car was stuck in 4th gear for much of the race but she made it up into the top 5 and ran pretty well for a lot of the race. Both of them were willing to try to make things happen and got shuffled back several times after losing the draft. They both made it back to the front a couple of times after falling back, and they just ended up getting caught back in the pack near the end of the race. Playing it safer might have ended up in a better finish for both but I like the effort that they gave it.

It was probably more boring watching on tv than listening on the radio so I'm kind of glad I had to work.
DW and I were discussing Danica during the last few laps. I told her that if Danica was 2nd going for a win at Daytona or Talladega, the only guy that would probably go with her is Stewart, knowing that if she wins, his bank account will flourish. The only other drivers I see even thinking about pushing her to the win would be Kurt Busch or Stenhouse. Everyone else would probably leave her out to dry.

Danica definitely has figured out plate racing. Her finishes at those tracks don't always reflect how well she was running.
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05-04-2015 at 04:28 AM.
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I don't mind so much that it is hard to pass for the lead--it should be. I just wish the penalty for trying wasn't so severe The way it is now if someone makes a move and they don't have any help or nobody goes with them they are screwed and they end up falling all the way to the back. Knowing that, I think a lot of drivers are just afraid to make the attempt to pass in the first place.

The problem is what can they do to fix that? Several year back they made some changes to the cars to try to break up the pack racing and it worked, but it resulted in the two-car "tandem drafting". I think I was the only Nascar fan on the planet that liked the tandem drafting. It wasn't ideal, but at least it was better racing. If you could sort of ignore that it was two-car teams it was like really good racing between very long cars. laugh out loud

But that was never very popular and they made more changes that brought back the pack racing and now it seems even harder to pass without being in a long line of cars. I think we're just kind of stuck with it on the super-speedways.
In my opinion, the best two plate races over the last 15 years were the 2000 Talladega race where Dale Earnhardt went from 18th to 1st in 5 laps, or the 2007 Daytona 500 where Kevin Harvick came out of absolutely nowhere to win the race.

The problem with the current package is you get a strong car out front, and nobody can pass them. Whatever happened to the sling shot? Imagine if the out of bounds rule had been around when Cale Yarborough was racing.
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05-04-2015 at 10:29 AM.
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In my opinion, the best two plate races over the last 15 years were the 2000 Talladega race where Dale Earnhardt went from 18th to 1st in 5 laps, or the 2007 Daytona 500 where Kevin Harvick came out of absolutely nowhere to win the race.

The problem with the current package is you get a strong car out front, and nobody can pass them. Whatever happened to the sling shot? Imagine if the out of bounds rule had been around when Cale Yarborough was racing.
Yeah, I think "out of bounds" should only apply if you are on the wrong side of the inside wall. Being outside the outer wall is fine as long as you can find a way back on the track within one lap.
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05-06-2015 at 09:51 AM.
05-06-2015 at 09:51 AM.
Hendrick Motorsports announced Tuesday evening that NAPA Auto Parts will be the majority sponsor of the No. 24 team and Chase Elliott, starting next season in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series.

The three-year deal, announced in Las Vegas at a convention for the auto parts distributor, will place the blue and yellow NAPA colors on the No. 24 Chevrolet as primary sponsor for 24 races each year, including the season-opening Daytona 500.


Damn, I don't think I will have any trouble adjusting to Chase being in the 24 car instead of Jeff, but I it is going to take some getting used to with the 24 car in the Napa colors. Shocking

I wonder if Dupont is still going to have any role in Nascar?
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05-06-2015 at 10:55 AM.
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Hendrick Motorsports announced Tuesday evening that NAPA Auto Parts will be the majority sponsor of the No. 24 team and Chase Elliott, starting next season in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series.

The three-year deal, announced in Las Vegas at a convention for the auto parts distributor, will place the blue and yellow NAPA colors on the No. 24 Chevrolet as primary sponsor for 24 races each year, including the season-opening Daytona 500.


Damn, I don't think I will have any trouble adjusting to Chase being in the 24 car instead of Jeff, but I it is going to take some getting used to with the 24 car in the Napa colors. Shocking

I wonder if Dupont is still going to have any role in Nascar?
I know DuPont was cutting back, even with Jeff, so I dunno. Since NAPA is just going to be the "majority" sponsor, that probably means 3M, Axalta, etc will probably be back in some fashion. AARP is the one that remains to be seen. Something about AARP and a 19 year old just doesn't go well together. laugh out loud
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05-06-2015 at 01:43 PM.
05-06-2015 at 01:43 PM.
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I know DuPont was cutting back, even with Jeff, so I dunno. Since NAPA is just going to be the "majority" sponsor, that probably means 3M, Axalta, etc will probably be back in some fashion. AARP is the one that remains to be seen. Something about AARP and a 19 year old just doesn't go well together. laugh out loud
I hadn't even thought about AARP laugh out loud

I wonder who Danica will end up with as a primary sponsor now that GoDaddy is leaving? There has been some talk that she could even end up moving to a different team but I would be surprised if that happens. Maybe Stenhouse Jr. will knock her up and she could pick up Pampers or Gerber as a sponsor. laugh out loud
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