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3,900 659 February 12, 2016 at 05:04 PM in Chat (4) Amazon
My wife and I have the iPhone 4S. The latest patch 9.2.1 (I think) fixed most of the problems that IOS9 introduced to our phones but they are still slow and lag at just about anything.

These phones are getting old anyway, so.

We want something newer and we are considering the BLU [amazon.com]

My question is "does anyone have any experience with the BLU Android phones. I checked the reviews forum but I didn't find anything there.

Thanks in advanceSmilie
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Iaaaiws
02-17-2016 at 01:04 PM.
02-17-2016 at 01:04 PM.
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Not an Apple "fanboy"; Just someone with knowledge of how software releases work and you're an idiot if you think Apple wouldn't be testing software on older hardware prior to releasing to prod.
So that means they just don't care about the results then right?

But it's hard to argue with market share. iPhone is now the favorite of terrorists everywhere I hear.
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02-17-2016 at 01:15 PM.
02-17-2016 at 01:15 PM.
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So that means they just don't care about the results then right?

But it's hard to argue with market share. iPhone is now the favorite of terrorists everywhere I hear.
I think that there are other factors at play; i.e. What type and amount of data are on the device, what exactly is considered slow or lagging to end-users (is that different between users?), jailbreaks, etc.

Further, the point remains that the user was working with a 4 year old piece of hardware with software designed for iPhone 6s, a giant step ahead of where the 4s was. Could they possibly optimize it? Maybe. Should they? Probably not. That takes engineering time and resources away from improving both the hardware and software they release.

It's silly, in this day, to think that your smartphone isn't going to be obsolete after more than 4 years post-release. Many, many people replace their phones on yearly or bi-annual basis. Software constantly improves and adds new features and hardware has to improve along with it to support the new features. Older devices simply cannot be expected to constantly run new software perfectly; This is why you see older devices start falling off supported lists as the years go on.
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Iaaaiws
02-17-2016 at 02:09 PM.
02-17-2016 at 02:09 PM.
Quote from Landers :
I think that there are other factors at play; i.e. What type and amount of data are on the device, what exactly is considered slow or lagging to end-users (is that different between users?), jailbreaks, etc.

Further, the point remains that the user was working with a 4 year old piece of hardware with software designed for iPhone 6s, a giant step ahead of where the 4s was. Could they possibly optimize it? Maybe. Should they? Probably not. That takes engineering time and resources away from improving both the hardware and software they release.

It's silly, in this day, to think that your smartphone isn't going to be obsolete after more than 4 years post-release. Many, many people replace their phones on yearly or bi-annual basis. Software constantly improves and adds new features and hardware has to improve along with it to support the new features. Older devices simply cannot be expected to constantly run new software perfectly; This is why you see older devices start falling off supported lists as the years go on.
laugh out loud I really don't care one way or the other. I'm one of the few remaining people who doesn't carry a phone with me everywhere I go. I'm thinking about seeing if I can go back to my 10 year old Motorola flip phone if it still works.

But since you mentioned it many of the people who replace their phones so frequently do so because of the rapid obsolescence that is designed into them by all of the manufacturers. It was designed into the entire system to keep people buying more phones. They keep trickling out features that are just a little bit better and convince people that they have to keep up or they are missing out.
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02-17-2016 at 02:21 PM.
02-17-2016 at 02:21 PM.
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Not an Apple "fanboy"; Just someone with knowledge of how software releases work and you're an idiot if you think Apple wouldn't be testing software on older hardware prior to releasing to prod.
So if I'm an "idiot" as you claim, what does that make Apple if they (according to you, who isn't an apple fanboy) tested "software on older hardware prior to releasing to prod" that proceeded to brick many phones simply by installing said software? Why do you insist on defending them so vehemently?
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02-17-2016 at 02:32 PM.
02-17-2016 at 02:32 PM.
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So if I'm an "idiot" as you claim, what does that make Apple if they (according to you, who isn't an apple fanboy) tested "software on older hardware prior to releasing to prod" that proceeded to brick many phones simply by installing said software? Why do you insist on defending them so vehemently?
Question 1 isn't simply easy to answer. If they didn't, they're dumb, absolutely. However, it's extremely unlikely that it's the case based on how they've worked in the past. That said, you should probably read my other comment to bunny above.

There is no "vehemently" defending them; I like conversation about it. It's just dumb to think one of the largest companies in the world would over look something so big during pre-qualification for release or during the design of the software in the first place. Clearly, they thought they had optimized the software enough for 4s.. but maybe they didn't. Either way, it's asinine to expect 4 year old hardware to work perfectly with brand new software. Sorry, that's just how things work.
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02-18-2016 at 07:21 AM.
02-18-2016 at 07:21 AM.
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I'm a Nexus fan My first smart phone was the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. My Nexus 5 crapped out on me recently (power button issue), and I bought the Nexus 6P.
wave I have a 6P as well. So far I'm really liking it. I signed up for Project Fi as well. Overall Fi works well enough but I definitely had better coverage with my old Verizon Blackberry through my job. It'd be amazballs if they could add Verizon to their Fi network. My first bill was only $35 w/tax This month I'm tracking for it to only be $30 or less. It worked really well overseas when I was on my cruise.
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02-18-2016 at 08:01 AM.
02-18-2016 at 08:01 AM.
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wave I have a 6P as well. So far I'm really liking it. I signed up for Project Fi as well. Overall Fi works well enough but I definitely had better coverage with my old Verizon Blackberry through my job. It'd be amazballs if they could add Verizon to their Fi network. My first bill was only $35 w/tax This month I'm tracking for it to only be $30 or less. It worked really well overseas when I was on my cruise.
I haven't looked into what Project Fi is yet. I'm on the T-Mobile Walmart plan where it's $30 a month, and it seems to be working out well for me though. I do miss the coverage Verizon had, but this works!
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02-18-2016 at 08:48 AM.
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I haven't looked into what Project Fi is yet. I'm on the T-Mobile Walmart plan where it's $30 a month, and it seems to be working out well for me though. I do miss the coverage Verizon had, but this works!
Yeah in my area tmobile and sprint by themselves don't have that great of coverage, but when combined it's decent. Not as good as Verizon but comparable. How much data do you get? If I get sick of Fi I was considering switching to Verizon prepaid for $30/mo for 2GB.
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02-18-2016 at 09:04 AM.
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Yeah in my area tmobile and sprint by themselves don't have that great of coverage, but when combined it's decent. Not as good as Verizon but comparable. How much data do you get? If I get sick of Fi I was considering switching to Verizon prepaid for $30/mo for 2GB.
I get 5GB, and if I go over it just gets throttled instead of getting charged extra. Only 100 minutes though, but I don't use my phone for talking much.
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02-18-2016 at 10:07 AM.
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I get 5GB, and if I go over it just gets throttled instead of getting charged extra. Only 100 minutes though, but I don't use my phone for talking much.
Not bad... Data would be great but the 100 minutes wouldn't work for me. Since I get reimbursement through work they stipulate I need a play with unlimited talk Frown
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02-18-2016 at 10:16 AM.
02-18-2016 at 10:16 AM.
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Question 1 isn't simply easy to answer. If they didn't, they're dumb, absolutely. However, it's extremely unlikely that it's the case based on how they've worked in the past. That said, you should probably read my other comment to bunny above.

There is no "vehemently" defending them; I like conversation about it. It's just dumb to think one of the largest companies in the world would over look something so big during pre-qualification for release or during the design of the software in the first place. Clearly, they thought they had optimized the software enough for 4s.. but maybe they didn't. Either way, it's asinine to expect 4 year old hardware to work perfectly with brand new software. Sorry, that's just how things work.
Again, the only people that I have seen so blindly and vehemently defend Apple have been the most rabid of fanboys, but oh well.
So we went from "i'd be an idiot to think that they didnt test the software prior to release" to now "it's extremely unlikely that it's the case" that they didn't rest the software prior to release. Well they either tested it or they didn't. If they did test it before they released it, they're a bunch of asshole for releasing software that was known to brick phones.If they didn't test it prior to release, they're bigger idiots than those fanboys we talked about before.
It is pretty dumb to defend a company that advertises a software update for some hardware, regardless of how old it is, that, when installed, bricks said hardware. Who cares how old the hardware was, the software was advertised as for that hardware. And the software made the hardware completely unusable. You would have to be a complete moron to think that a completely dead piece of hardware is not vastly different from the issues of new software simply not working perfectly with old hardware. It is completely asinine to think that software that was advertised to work with specific hardware and then makes said hardware completely unusable, is anywhere close to acceptable. Sorry, that's just how things work.
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02-18-2016 at 11:19 AM.
02-18-2016 at 11:19 AM.
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wave I have a 6P as well. So far I'm really liking it. I signed up for Project Fi as well. Overall Fi works well enough but I definitely had better coverage with my old Verizon Blackberry through my job. It'd be amazballs if they could add Verizon to their Fi network. My first bill was only $35 w/tax This month I'm tracking for it to only be $30 or less. It worked really well overseas when I was on my cruise.
If they added Verizon, your bill wouldn't be $30. Personally I think tmobile and Sprint are doing a good enough job upgrading their networks that I get better service in my area with Fi than I did with Verizon. My place is also a dead zone for cell service so being able to call over wifi was a huge added plus. I had to get a network extender from Verizon and run a GPS unit to a window to do the same thing and it worked like shit and bricked other features of my phone like HD voice. I'll never go back to Verizon again.
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