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security camera advice?

396 18 August 15, 2017 at 12:04 PM in Chat (3)
I have little knowledge on security cameras. I am in the process of purchasing a home in NYC and want to install 4 or more cameras, both outer and inside facing.

Looking for something that will be wireless, wifi, and the ability to record footage. Also looking to be able to monitor from my phone.

Not looking to spend more than $300 on a setup.

I was looking at Zmodo however I am hearing they are moving to a cloud based setup which eventually will require subscription, etc.

Any other suggestions?

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Mike A.
09-26-2017 at 10:46 AM.
09-26-2017 at 10:46 AM.
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What are your thoughts on running Blue Iris on an E3-1225? - https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu....40+3.10GHz

2 cameras now, total of 4-5 in the near future. What is the biggest boost to BI performance? More RAM, fast SSD, better CPU, etc?
That Xeon has hardware acceleration (which can substantially reduce CPU load with BI) so you're good there and as far as overall performance.

CPU generally is the more significant factor. Then disk. Always nice to have SSD but running as a server it's not something that you'll be booting a lot or sitting in front of loading applications much to notice faster load times. Practically, you're probably better off putting that money toward capacity which if you're storing much video you'll need more. Memory not so much. With 12 cams at varying resolution/frame rates I'm using less than 4mb of 16 available with BI using less than 2mb. High-end video cards no benefit at all at this point.

Should add... Beyond a minimum basic hardware level, the biggest factor of all will be properly configuring BI itself and then on the cam side. You can choke pretty much anything with it if you just load it up with a bunch of 4K cams running at full resolution and frame rates and no optimization. Set it to write direct to disc, turn on hardware acceleration, set the resolution/frame rates/bit rates at good enough vs highest levels and you can run a lot on it. Most people tend to think along the lines of bigger is better but it's not in this case. It's surveillance video, you're not making movies or taking hi-res photos. You don't need 30 fps in most cases. You're usually better off in most cases with a 2MP cam with great low light performance vs a 4MP cam that sucks at night. Etc. etc.
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09-26-2017 at 11:09 AM.
09-26-2017 at 11:09 AM.
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I'm running Win 10 Pro and the latest Blue Iris on a Lenovo TS140, with a total of ten cameras. The Xeon 1225 handles it easily. Bi uses about 35% CPU and 2 GB of RAM.

I should mention I'm using an Intel SSD for the OS drive and a 2TB WD Red drive for video storage.
There are a bunch of versions, I'll just be using an E3-1225 but there is v2, v3, etc...which do you have? I have 16GB ECC RAM too. How long does your 2TB storage last? Wondering if I should write to enterprise SSDs or 2TB HDDs, I have a bunch of both handy.

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That Xeon has hardware acceleration (which can substantially reduce CPU load with BI) so you're good there and as far as overall performance.

CPU generally is the more significant factor. Then disk. Always nice to have SSD but running as a server it's not something that you'll be booting a lot or sitting in front of loading applications much to notice faster load times. Practically, you're probably better off putting that money toward capacity which if you're storing much video you'll need more. Memory not so much. With 12 cams at varying resolution/frame rates I'm using less than 4mb of 16 available with BI using less than 2mb. High-end video cards no benefit at all at this point.
I don't think the E3-1225 (not v3/v5) has that feature. EDIT: Are you referring to QuickSync? That is a feature of the 1225.
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09-26-2017 at 11:24 AM.
09-26-2017 at 11:24 AM.
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There are a bunch of versions, I'll just be using an E3-1225 but there is v2, v3, etc...which do you have? I have 16GB ECC RAM too. How long does your 2TB storage last? Wondering if I should write to enterprise SSDs or 2TB HDDs, I have a bunch of both handy.

I don't think the E3-1225 (not v3/v5) has that feature.
Ahhh... yeah, forgot there are multiple versions. In that case it will work but at higher CPU since it can't off-load. If all that you're running is 5 cams at reasonable resolution/frame rates then you'll be OK. Starting from scratch buying something then you'd be better off with an inexpensive i5 or i7 that can but if it's what you have. Can always move off if/when you outgrow it.

Oops... didn't read your edit until after the above was posted. Yes, QuickSync. So should be good. Some benefits to later processors which can do H.265 and otherwise optimize video processing and you're paying a penalty as far as power consumption but it's good enough.
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09-26-2017 at 11:34 AM.
09-26-2017 at 11:34 AM.
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There are a bunch of versions, I'll just be using an E3-1225 but there is v2, v3, etc...which do you have? I have 16GB ECC RAM too. How long does your 2TB storage last? Wondering if I should write to enterprise SSDs or 2TB HDDs, I have a bunch of both handy.
I record based on motion detection, and barely use 1 TB of the 2 TB available on the HDD. I wouldn't bother with SSDs for video storage. Get a WD 2 TB Purple or Red drive and you'll be good to go.


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I don't think the E3-1225 (not v3/v5) has that feature. EDIT: Are you referring to QuickSync? That is a feature of the 1225.
The E3-1225 *does* have graphics acceleration built in. I can't recall which version/revision mine is, but it's a few years old now, so I'd guess v3.
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09-26-2017 at 11:53 AM.
09-26-2017 at 11:53 AM.
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Ahhh... yeah, forgot there are multiple versions. In that case it will work but at higher CPU since it can't off-load. If all that you're running is 5 cams at reasonable resolution/frame rates then you'll be OK. Starting from scratch buying something then you'd be better off with an inexpensive i5 or i7 that can but if it's what you have. Can always move off if/when you outgrow it.

Oops... didn't read your edit until after the above was posted. Yes, QuickSync. So should be good. Some benefits to later processors which can do H.265 and otherwise optimize video processing and you're paying a penalty as far as power consumption but it's good enough.
I have access to an i5-4570t or i7-4770 but I already have the 1225 which is why I was going to stick with that.

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I record based on motion detection, and barely use 1 TB of the 2 TB available on the HDD. I wouldn't bother with SSDs for video storage. Get a WD 2 TB Purple or Red drive and you'll be good to go.

The E3-1225 *does* have graphics acceleration built in. I can't recall which version/revision mine is, but it's a few years old now, so I'd guess v3.
I have Hitachi 2TB drives already so I'll use those in conjunction with an SSD.
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09-26-2017 at 12:08 PM.
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I have access to an i5-4570t or i7-4770 but I already have the 1225 which is why I was going to stick with that.
The T will kind of struggle with much on it. I'd avoid that one.

i7 would be the best out of those.

Yours you have so... ; )
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09-26-2017 at 02:21 PM.
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The T will kind of struggle with much on it. I'd avoid that one.

i7 would be the best out of those.

Yours you have so... ; )
Yeah I figure stick with what I have. I just need a case (mATX) and heat sink. Missing the I/O plate for the motherboard so I may pick one up or just run without it.
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09-26-2017 at 07:58 PM.
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My Camera seems to have no issue at night but the street in front of my house is not that dark.

The camera saves files to my FTP server and emails me pictures of any motion that is all I need.
I can play back the saved video files using VLC player with no issues.
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I record based on motion detection, and barely use 1 TB of the 2 TB available on the HDD. I wouldn't bother with SSDs for video storage. Get a WD 2 TB Purple or Red drive and you'll be good to go.



The E3-1225 *does* have graphics acceleration built in. I can't recall which version/revision mine is, but it's a few years old now, so I'd guess v3.

Alright one last question. Building a PC with 1 or 2 SSDs and a bunch of HDDs. Does it make sense to have the footage write to SSD then copied to HDD? Or can I write straight to HDD? I'll have the OS on an SSD but should I add a 2nd SSD just for recording?
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10-10-2017 at 12:10 PM.
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Alright one last question. Building a PC with 1 or 2 SSDs and a bunch of HDDs. Does it make sense to have the footage write to SSD then copied to HDD? Or can I write straight to HDD? I'll have the OS on an SSD but should I add a 2nd SSD just for recording?
Writing direct to HDD WORKS PERFECTLY. No need to buffer, as Blue Iris allows you to define each individual camera's memory buffer in megabytes, which we typically set to either 10MB or if you have plenty of free RAM, up to 20MB. Blue Iris also has a pre-motion-event buffer you set, typically to about 20 or 30 seconds. This is the amount of lead/in time captured with/before the event.
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Writing direct to HDD WORKS PERFECTLY. No need to buffer, as Blue Iris allows you to define each individual camera's memory buffer in megabytes, which we typically set to either 10MB or if you have plenty of free RAM, up to 20MB. Blue Iris also has a pre-motion-event buffer you set, typically to about 20 or 30 seconds. This is the amount of lead/in time captured with/before the event.

Good to know, thanks. I plan to record 24/7 for 30 days then start to overwrite. I may do more than 30 days depending on frame rate, etc.
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10-11-2017 at 06:52 PM.
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I don't have time nor the inclination to read all of this or the many other "security camera" threads in tech support so...

If I have POE cameras that record everything.. and I want to wipe everything out before moving and leaving the cameras and unit here.. how would I do that? Is making them make a new password and stuff enough? Dontknow

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10-12-2017 at 07:07 AM.
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I don't have time nor the inclination to read all of this or the many other "security camera" threads in tech support so...

If I have POE cameras that record everything.. and I want to wipe everything out before moving and leaving the cameras and unit here.. how would I do that? Is making them make a new password and stuff enough? Dontknow

Stick Out Tongue
That depends. Is it Blue Iris running on a Windows PC? If so, deleting all the existing videos would suffice.

Is it some sort of NVR device? Best to consult the original owner's manual or their web-based documents.
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10-12-2017 at 10:45 AM.
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That depends. Is it Blue Iris running on a Windows PC? If so, deleting all the existing videos would suffice.

Is it some sort of NVR device? Best to consult the original owner's manual or their web-based documents.
Not Blue Iris.. just Swann set of cameras from Costco and running to a, NVR. Guess it's off to Google I go lol thanks.
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Not Blue Iris.. just Swann set of cameras from Costco and running to a, NVR. Guess it's off to Google I go lol thanks.
I'd factory reset both the NVR and the cameras, if it were me. Anyone who wants to use them should do the same thing to start with a fresh, clean slate. nod
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