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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
Shahhere
Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
http://www.mortgagenew
Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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Then there are optional fees like notary and courier that most companies charge for, but alttitle covers everything else. Interestingly enough alttitle told me they currently have about a dozen refinances going on now with other people using Better.
I posted a quote on this forum; I thought you saw it? Its about $1600 and as I have said several times that I've done Refi's in Nov/Feb and both were around that cost (little higher as I had title changes).
I actually called them today and they stated that if the Lender is not a current customer of theirs they are not taking on new Lenders and no Direct to Consumer options either. The lender has to be in their system for them to process orders as the Direct side is closed due to covid.
I confirmed the quote and again the lady today 7/17 confirmed that a Title order is in place and Better is in their system so my costs would be around $1601......so the next confirmation would be when I see anything from Better with updated disclosures.
The other member who said that their rates were the same actually messaged me and confirmed that Radian was in fact cheaper
Shahhere
I actually called them today and they stated that if the Lender is not a current customer of theirs they are not taking on new Lenders and no Direct to Consumer options either. The lender has to be in their system for them to process orders as the Direct side is closed due to covid.
I confirmed the quote and again the lady today 7/17 confirmed that a Title order is in place and Better is in their system so my costs would be around $1601......so the next confirmation would be when I see anything from Better with updated disclosures.
The other member who said that their rates were the same actually messaged me and confirmed that Radian was in fact cheaper
Shahhere
So this is a really old article, but I think it explains it. Radian is offering up a different product, but it sounds like it is still safe?
https://www.southcoastt
Of course everybody's situation is different and what is a squeeze for one refinancer may be almost impossible for a new home owner. Im providing this only to balance out what appears to be opinion in favor of the 30 year.
And if you do choose the 30 year, make those big extra payments at the beginning if you can than later in the loan term as the interest is being calculated for the full 30 years right from day 1.
If 30 year and 20 year has the exact same option, choosing a 20 year loan a good option?
1) If given a choice between 15,20, 30 I'd ways take a 30 year loan especially if the rates difference is not more than 0.5% or even 0.75%.
2) You have to be disciplined and you can pay the extra principle payments between the 2 rates to accelerate the payoff time; so in the poster above I'd take 30 and pay the extra monthly payments to hit a 20 month payoff which is easy.
3)Just like MPhool said that this option gives you a chance to scale back the payments and not pay the extra monthly if you financially cant.
BTW, if you pay a 30 Year Loan at a 20 Year loan Payment schedule there would be no additional Interest you'd pay; it would be even.
If you pay a 30 year at the 15 year Principle amount but since the rates are different using 2.75% & 2.375% you'd be paying it off in 16ish years which is not that bad as well and the years/months you cannot pay the additional Payments you have the Flexibility to scale back without penalty or defaulting on the loan.
Again remember you are only paying an "Extra" 0.5 or 0.75% on the money borrowed which you can technically invest or put in other money earning accounts concurrently and come out ahead. Think about it this way that you are borrowing money from the mortgage lenders/banks at historic low rates under 3%..........
Shahhere
I submitted an application to Watermark on 7/12 and got an e-mail the next day. Via e-mail, locked in 30 year $330k refinance (LTV approx. 77% and 800 FICO) at 2.625% with approx $1,800 in total costs (appraisal waived and included $800 in Lender Credit) plus taxes and escrow. Today I was told that I was going to be transferred to a different LO to handle the paperwork. I got the LE estimate from my new LO with total costs almost double what I was quotes and includes an appraisal fee. I e-mailed my LO back this evening saying there are some errors in the LE and he is going to look into it. The LE does include an origination fee that was not mentioned in the e-mails, but unless I'm missing something, I don't really care what the costs are, just as long as they are what they told me via e-mail. Communication with Watermark has been very good.
I have LE's from Loan Cabin and LenderFi, which are both the same interest rate and about the same fees. I also have a LE from better.com, but they came in at 3.0%.
If Watermark can give me what they originally quoted via e-mail, I will most likely go through them, but Better did say that they will try to price match. Communication with better has actually been almost too good...I probably get a phone call or text from them everyday...
If I do decide to try and price match with better, any suggestions on how and when to mention the American Express deal (I figured I would post here first before posting on that thread)
Edit: I forgot to say Thanks to Shahhere and everyone else who has provided help and suggestions!
I refinanced with better in May month. Now refinancing again with them.
Do I need to pay transfer taxes again?
Can I get any concessions in title services ?
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Edit: I forgot to say Thanks to Shahhere and everyone else who has provided help and suggestions!
2. Expect your communication to Better to fall off a cliff once you lock in. That's what has happened to most of us.
3. Why do you want to go through Watermark, who has been shady, when Better is possibly offering you the same deal plus $2500 extra? I would just send your best LE to Better, and if they accept, then you are done.
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Homework and Understanding:
Step1: The goal is to get a formal Loan Estimate (LE) from any lender you apply with and provide them your Social Security to do a Hard Pull. Note that for Mortgage related SS Hard pulls they are combined as a single inquiry and do not drop your credit score like individual credit card applications as this applies to Student Loan and Auto Loan shopping as well and is looked at a 14-45 day window. Step2: Understanding the Loan Estimate as they are overall in a standard format: Step3: Closing Cost shopping: Applying:
Step4: Apply to 5-15 places to yield the best results when shopping. Apply to your local Banks but note that many smaller mortgage companies have a higher threshold for rates and credits in your favor. Applying means that you'll have to provide your Social Security# and some preliminary data in an application to get documents sent to you such as a Loan Estimate (LE). Note from above that Mortgage, Student & Car Loan Hard Pulls are groups as single hits and won't drop your credit score in most cases for 14-45 days. Below are the most competitive lenders that I've encountered for my scenario with my own feedback:
30 Year rates to use for other rate platforms and please note that my rate will not necessarily mean you'll get that rate as market and individual changes will determine that and even your negotiation pull will determine that: Not all Lender will service your state so keep looking and look for other local smaller lenders and banks.
Step5: While applying take note to provide and send/upload all documents to the lender in as little of a time as possible as many lenders will drop your application if it's not received in 2 business days. Normal documentation: Step6: Title Company. As noted above you are allowed to pick your own Title company and in many cases you'll find competitive rates here with large savings compared to the Lender's preferred Title Company. Title Companies I've used in the past with good success and others: Step7: Negative points.
Step8: Breakeven Calculations and understanding money factor
Shahhere
So this is a really old article, but I think it explains it. Radian is offering up a different product, but it sounds like it is still safe?
https://www.southcoastt
Here is the post along with the quotes I posted from both places for comparison and on paper quote for Radian
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
Shahhere
Shahhere
I asked alttitle about Radian and asked him to give me his best argument why I should use his company. His argument was based on choosing local, more dependable, better customer service, and better flexibility. That's a more convincing argument for buying a house than for a refinance in my opinion.
Your "wiki" is really good. Nice job putting it together. Two suggestions. Consider putting my article that explains why Radian's rates are lower (they provide an alternative service to I think every other title company). Also I personally found Loan Cabin's rate calculator extremely helpful, and you might want to mention it. Basically I went on their site, researched the rates with various numbers, told Samantha what I wanted, and she wrote up an LE for it (after I had already applied). That's the LE I took to Better.
I asked alttitle about Radian and asked him to give me his best argument why I should use his company. His argument was based on choosing local, more dependable, better customer service, and better flexibility. That's a more convincing argument for buying a house than for a refinance in my opinion.
Your "wiki" is really good. Nice job putting it together. Two suggestions. Consider putting my article that explains why Radian's rates are lower (they provide an alternative service to I think every other title company). Also I personally found Loan Cabin's rate calculator extremely helpful, and you might want to mention it. Basically I went on their site, researched the rates with various numbers, told Samantha what I wanted, and she wrote up an LE for it (after I had already applied). That's the LE I took to Better.
Link was broken or something but again here is the post: https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
The article you posted is talking about "Radian Lien Protection" which is not what Radian Title Services is providing btw as the quotes list title search so that article is outdated or not referencing the same product. Again; I've used them for the last 8+ years when they were called Entitle and now Radian and never had an issue.
If you have a link to the LC items I'll update the post with it for sure.
Shahhere
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Ironically I got that offer in my email but I did not want to confuse it with the better.com offer in the even it was just 1 referral but i dont see the email again. Better.com emails came a few times.
What was the end date on the Rocket Mortgage offer? Again, hardly anyone has mentioned them here so I doubt their rates are competitive at all...
Shahhere