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Details on how to understand the Mortgage basics and information that I understand for your learning can be accessed on this post (Click this hyperlink to go to the post); If you are new to this process and have questions this is a Must Read before asking question on the forum!
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
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Old Thread - https://slickdeals.net/e/1223863-03-06-2009-best-mortgage-rates-from-big-reputable-lenders-30year-5-15year-5-arm-s-etc
Reviving my over a decade old thread from SD and FW as the rates have gotten competitive. This thread is a SD community thread to compare and post best rates received along with their lender experience for a quick compare and estimation from a starting point.
Please note that rates will vary on quite a few factors and just because one person has a rate will not guarantee you will receive the same rate but simply use this as a guide and negotiation tactic.
All below rates are based on assumptions of certain LTV, DTI, & Excellent Credit Scores:
30 Year Fixed best rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down, low LTV, low DTI, etc etc):
All listed lenders are here because I shopped them and have encountered competitive pricing and not because I get any sort of a kickback....use this as a gauge for the latest but note that things can change week to week, day to day and even hour to hour:
07/14/2021 2.875% Better.com- Will consider Lender Match to beat Competitors and combine with Amex cashback (Click here for additional Forum thread details). Amex's "Digital Assist" Team @ 800-297-7500
07/14/2021 2.875% LoanDepot.com - Is competitive but works better if you have another offer for them. My LO Luke Dean
[email protected] 949-652-4521
07/14/2021 BSMFunding (David Pressel) - Call to get the latest rates (no published online). Very competitive rates; get everything in writing via email!
https://bsmfunding.mymortgage-onl...essel.html
David Pressel (NMLS: 562175)- Branch Manager - Phone: 908-208-2036
[email protected]
07/14/2021 2.5% LoanCabin [loancabin.com] - Most Competitive but refinance times have grow to almost 6 months for many people so proceed with caution as recent reviews indicate normal 1 month closing. Generally do not charge for big Lender Fees (A+B on LE) as they are under $100 in most cases; esp if appraisal is waived for your scenario.30 Year Fixed Jumbo Best Rates (Assuming Good Credit & 20% down):
07/14/2021 3% LenderFi - Competitive but might be slow and not work on beating other lender rates.
TBD15 year Fixed:
07/14/2021 2.0 % Better.com; matches Bankrate rates for themselves.Title Company Comparisions:
07/04/2020 2.5% NIH Credit Union with Lender Credit
RadianTitleDirect.com - OP has used them for almost a decade with getting best rates (closed after Covid, Lender must submit order as consumer side is closed).Alphabetical list of other lenders (some could be non-proven without direct member experiences posted here):
ALTTitle.com
https://www.valerotitle.com/ - Texas only.
- AimLoan - Will provide LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull https://www.amerisave.com/
- Better.com https://better.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - HighTechLending http://www.hightechlen
ding.co/Default.aspx - Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ Eric from IM is super rude so good luck dealing with this guy! - LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.com [lenderfi.com]if the link wont work try this backend link: https://app.lenderfi.com/app/sign...r/lenderfi
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - Owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Provident Funding - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ - RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility traviscu.org - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
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Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
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I think a lot of people get confused with regards to "no closing cost". Specifically I think that is with regards to A+B+C (as referenced in this post by volcomssj48 - https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=
As per volcomssj48, this is a good place to go for a basic understanding of the LE (Loan Estimate) that should be provided to you by each lender once you give all of your information: https://www.consumerfin I'm in NJ so I can't really shop Title Insurance much as it's the cost is regulated by the state, however in other states, you can really cut down some of the costs in section "C". |
http://www.mortgagenew
Potential Lenders - Mentioned in Thread
*Please add to this list and add locality if applicable*
- Loan Cabin https://www.loancabin.c
om/ - Better.com https://better.com/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemortgage.com/
- LenderFi https://www.lenderfi.co
m/ - owning.com (Operates only in CA) https://owning.com/
- NIH credit union (Delware, District of Columbia, Maryland, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, West Virginia) https://www.nihfcu.org/
- Loan Depot https://www.loandepot.c
om/ - Travis Credit Union (12 North Cal Counties only) https://www.traviscu.or
g/ Eligibility [traviscu.org] - Pentagon Federal CU https://www.penfed.org/
- Interactive Mortgage https://interactivemort
gage.com/ - NavyFederal CU https://www.navyfederal
.org/ - United wholesale mortgages https://www.uwm.com/
- BoxHomeLoans https://www.boxhomeloan
s.com/ - LoanLock https://www.loanlock.co
m/ - West Coast Mortgage Associates (The loan broker is in So.Cal. Debbie Morgan) https://wcmtg.com/
- RatePlus (California) https://www.rateplus.co
m/ - Northpointe Bank https://www.northpointe
.com/ - HighTechLending https://hightechlending
.mortgagewebcen ter.com/ - Close Your Own Loan https://www.closeyourow
nloan.com/...sults.aspx - AimLoan - will give LE without hard pull if credit is frozen https://www.aimloan.com/
- Amerisave - will give you scores from all 3 bureaus with just a soft pull
https://www.amerisave.com/ - Provident - will give LE without locking rate https://www.provident.c
om/ Best Credit Back with 60% LTV or better. - Watermark Home Loans https://www.watermarkho
meloans.com/ Skip these guys. They are being rude to Slickdealers. In one occasion they have explicitly said they don't want to do business with people from Slickdeals. They also have an approach where they give you the best rate initially and just raise it more each time you ask. - Colonial Mort http://www.colonialmor
t.com/ - Annie Mac https://www.annie-mac.com/ Licensed in these states https://www.annie-mac.com/page/licensed-states/
- Rate Rabbit https://www.raterabbit.
com/ Licensed in MA and others [raterabbit.com]
Discount lenders who DO NOT accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Owning.com
BoxHomeLoans
Lower.com
Discount Lenders that DO accept fully documented in tax returns self-employment income:
Sebonic
Caliber
Sage
Title Company Shopping
AltTitle.com
mytitlegenius.com (formerly entitle direct)
TO AVOID - Settlement LTD (local Pittsburgh run away from them - high cost, very bad service, lot of delays)
Feel Free to Add Sections for Each Lender - MeAPhool
Loan Cabin - DetailsWARNING. DO NOT GO WITH LOAN CABIN. TRUST ME.
I would have lost the home if i was trying to buy a house.
I just had a normal refi and it took then 127 days to close. out of the 27 emails i sent, they responded to 3. I even had to call (complain) their main office 2 times to get a response to any emails. they screwed the closing paperwork as well.
Loan Cabin does not charge lender fees. Actually all of this is in their FAQ but of course nobody reads anything and wants everything spoon fed.
This means A+B (reference the link above in the wiki regarding Loan Estimate) in the Loan Estimate should be 0 (as long as your appraisal is waived).
You will be responsible for Title Cost (of course you can shop that to your heart's delight)
You will be responsible for Recording Fee in your county
You will be responsible for Escrows (if you so choose OR if you are close to Homeowner's OR Property Tax payment - though you can negotiate and show evidence to get it waived. Most lender's will waive it if you are choosing not to escrow and you can show proof that you paid the upcoming Property Tax or Homeowner's Insurance)
You will be responsible for Prepaid Interest (this isn't a cost. If you didn't refinance, you'd be paying the interest at your current mortgage rate which I assume would be higher).
Lender Credit - If this covers A+B+C+E then you have a no-cost refinance. If you have a surplus aside from A+B+C+E, then technically you made money on your refinance.
If you apply and do no hear back for 3 days, then on the 3rd business day, reach out to [email protected]. They will usually help get a response on your application within a day.
If the information in this WIKI does not cover your questions, then please ask. We will answer and update WIKI accordingly.
Thanks - MeAPhool
For those needing clarity on LC closing costs, I was on the same boat. See what they charge here https://www.dropbox.com/s/r30ecea...t.png
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Here is a photo of my loan estimate from Loan Cabin, my lender credits should be closer to 3K based on my initial conversations with Bob so i'm following up with him on that.
I do see title insurance in my estimate. I reached out to Owning but I didn't quality for the no cost refinance option since my LTV was 73%, it has to be 50% or lower when I spoke to them. |
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between the four above, my score literally fluctuates 7 points (and I've gotten dinged since starting this process). knowing my habits and income, no f-ing way is my score 50 points off. any thoughts?
235k loan @ 2.5%
A. $1500
B. $500
C. $900
D. $2900 (a+b+c)
Total closing costs $5600
Zero lender credit unfortunately
I should have started earlier last week but I was a little late before the .5 Fannie/Freddie service fees.
Thoughts?
Take the difference in cost between 2.5 & 2.625 and see what the break even is for you.
For a loan amount of $235,000, the difference in P&I is about $15/month. (Use this site, good for quick comparisons: https://www.hsh.com/mortgage-comp...lator-body)
If your closing cost between 2.5 and 2.625 differ by $1000. Then it would take you $1000/15 or 5.5 years to break even. If you are going to move within 5 years, it wouldn't make sense to take 2.5. Let me me know if you follow as I just used arbitrary number's to illustrate a point.
between the four above, my score literally fluctuates 7 points (and I've gotten dinged since starting this process). knowing my habits and income, no f-ing way is my score 50 points off. any thoughts?
Mortgage Scores pulled by lenders are:
EQ5 (Equifax 5), EX2 (Experian 2), TU4 (Transunion 4)
https://www.creditcards
Equifax: FICO Score 5 based on Equifax data; also called Equifax Beacon 5.0
TransUnion: FICO Score 4 based on TransUnion data; also called TransUnion FICO Risk Score 04
Unfortunately the credit score industry has become a business. I wish the scores were transparent, although I know someone would try to reverse engineer the algorithm and manipulate it. In fact that is a business today, manipulating credit scores. That said, if the bureaus know how to manipulate the score, they should also know how to detect a manipulation.
People can pay to get added as an authorized user on someone else's account who has a high credit score. As for me, I wouldn't want to take that risk, too much downside.
Mortgage Scores pulled by lenders are:
EQ5 (Equifax 5), EX2 (Experian 2), TU4 (Transunion 4)
https://www.creditcards.com/credi...it-scores/ [creditcards.com]
The score you pull from CreditKarma is based on VantageScore which lender's don't use. I think you can pay myfico.com to get an idea of the scores being pulled by lenders.
Unfortunately the credit score industry has become a business. I wish the scores were transparent, although I know someone would try to reverse engineer the algorithm and manipulate it. In fact that is a business today, manipulating credit scores. That said, if the bureaus know how to manipulate the score, they should also know how to detect a manipulation.
People can pay to get added as an authorized user on someone else's account who has a high credit score. As for me, I wouldn't want to take that risk, too much downside.
Mortgage Scores pulled by lenders are:
EQ5 (Equifax 5), EX2 (Experian 2), TU4 (Transunion 4)
https://www.creditcards.com/credi...it-scores/ [creditcards.com]
The score you pull from CreditKarma is based on VantageScore which lender's don't use. I think you can pay myfico.com to get an idea of the scores being pulled by lenders.
Unfortunately the credit score industry has become a business. I wish the scores were transparent, although I know someone would try to reverse engineer the algorithm and manipulate it. In fact that is a business today, manipulating credit scores. That said, if the bureaus know how to manipulate the score, they should also know how to detect a manipulation.
People can pay to get added as an authorized user on someone else's account who has a high credit score. As for me, I wouldn't want to take that risk, too much downside.
Yes, I locked with them and a few days later I showed them the LC quote (wasnt a standard LE) and they improved their offer.
They also wanted to collect several months of insurance and property tax as well but I am doing escrow.
Yeah I contact them and got it sorted out, it was the initial CD and it was just multiple issues with it.
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Quick update on my loan estimate from LenderFi, got a phone call this morning from Robert Urnecli, they can do 2.625% at no cost for me, 2.5% would cost 2K which would take me 6 years to break even lol.
Quick update on my loan estimate from LenderFi, got a phone call this morning from Robert Urnecli, they can do 2.625% at no cost for me, 2.5% would cost 2K which would take me 6 years to break even lol.
I also got an update from Loan Cabin (Bob Hammann), they are offering me 2.49% at no costs but it won't close until October or November I'll see if LenderFi can match...
Very interesting morning for me lol.
They move super quickly - I signed my closing disclosures TODAY and am scheduled to sign to close on 8/25.
A couple of things worth mentioning is the rates they post on their website are only for a very limited population and I happened to meet that sweet spot. When applying the rates were showing 2.5% for the 15 year fixed with $0 closing costs and I got that. Today they actually show lower than I locked at 2.308% for a 15 year fixed but their disclosures state: "Disclosed rate assumes a $400,000 rate and term refinance loan on an owner-occupied single family residence in California. Minimum 740 FICO credit score, 50% loan to value with no subordinate debt. If these factors are not met, you may still qualify and additional pricing adjustments may apply. Subject to underwriting approval. Not all applicants will qualify."
When I applied, I was told the loan value had to be a minimum of $300,000 to get the 2.5% interest rate (I actually only owe $294,000 so I ended up impounding my taxes to qualify for the loan amount. The rates posted today are requiring a loan value between $400,000-$510,400 so as you can see, it's very specific. Another thing is they only locked my rate until 8/31/20 and when I questioned it they promised they move fast. I was very hesitant to move forward since they didn't do a 30 day lock but so far it seems to be working out. Another positive is they haven't required an appraisal.
I will keep you posted how closing goes next week. We are a refinancing from a 30 year fixed at 3.25% so we are happy.
between the four above, my score literally fluctuates 7 points (and I've gotten dinged since starting this process). knowing my habits and income, no f-ing way is my score 50 points off. any thoughts?
Four months ago I refi'ed and my lender's EQ5 score was at the max of the score range (818). At that time, I had my mortgage for several years and zero credit pull for the previous 12 months. Low credit card utilization.
Started a new round of refi 2 weeks ago, with no change in low credit card utilization and no credit pulls since the last refi. EQ5 score now dropped 60 points. EQ5 max score remained at 818 (sorry for setting a high bar for you guys). The explanations for low score were "too many inquiries in the last 12 months" and "lack of recent installment loan information".
My conclusion is that EQ5 is engineered to severely punish people who have refi'ed recently. This probably gives the lenders a way to deny loan apps without stating the real reason, which may be legally untenable.
8/3 Applied via backdoor link.
8/4 Application approved and first contact with my LO.
8/5 Received redisclosure documents and inital documents request.
8/6 Locked 2.5% 30 yr with ~$600 in net credits.
8/7-8/11 Dark.
8/12 Received initial disclosures and follow-up document request.
8/14 Forwarded to loan processing...
8/17 Appraisal scheduled for this Friday. So far no questions from the loan processor. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing but likely just backed up.
I also got an update from Loan Cabin (Bob Hammann), they are offering me 2.49% at no costs but it won't close until October or November I'll see if LenderFi can match...
Very interesting morning for me lol.
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I also got an update from Loan Cabin (Bob Hammann), they are offering me 2.49% at no costs but it won't close until October or November I'll see if LenderFi can match...
Very interesting morning for me lol.