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Synology Raid 0 Failure

136 31 July 16, 2020 at 08:28 AM
I see deals on hard drives on SD all the time. If I was to get a Synology 5 bay NAS DiskStation DS1019+, and setup raid 0. I want to backup everything I have on my computers to that backup storage being the synology NAS. If one of those drives fails out of 5, what happens? Do the clients, meaning my PCs start uploading the data that's missing in the backup now once I insert a working drive? All I see is fixes for RAID 5 and I get it. But I want to backup my PCs and not have to have raid 5 on top of that because then I have 3 copies. I want two copies, meaning my client and my backup storage. However, with raid 0 if it fails, how do the clients communicate with the backup storage when a new replaced drive is inserted? What happens? Thank you!
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07-16-2020 at 09:03 AM.
07-16-2020 at 09:03 AM.
Quote from powerdman1 :
I see deals on hard drives on SD all the time. If I was to get a Synology 5 bay NAS DiskStation DS1019+, and setup raid 0. I want to backup everything I have on my computers to that backup storage being the synology NAS. If one of those drives fails out of 5, what happens? Do the clients, meaning my PCs start uploading the data that's missing in the backup now once I insert a working drive? All I see is fixes for RAID 5 and I get it. But I want to backup my PCs and not have to have raid 5 on top of that because then I have 3 copies. I want two copies, meaning my client and my backup storage. However, with raid 0 if it fails, how do the clients communicate with the backup storage when a new replaced drive is inserted? What happens? Thank you!
Please Clarify your term "RAID 0" above.

Are you referring to Drive 0 in the Raid Array?
Is it Virtual Disk Group 0?
Is the RAID Level set to "RAID 0" vs. "RAID 5"?
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The reason why I ask is that:

If the RAID is let to Level 0 (RAID 0) then the Data is spread across all the drives in the disk group
The advantage is MAXIMUM Read and Write Speeds - Meaning they happen quickly, least amount of delay for very Disk intensive applications.
The Disadvantage is that if just one of the drives fails (Dies) then ALL YOUR DATA IS TOAST
So if you had 90 copies of the same data on the RAID 0, All 90 and Everything else is Gone!

RAID 5 Is slower on Reads and Writes, but you can loose a Drive without any data loss.
RAID 6 Allows for 2 drives to die before your data is in serious jeopardy.
RAID 10 Is Faster than 5 or 6, but requires 6 or more drives, but can survive 3 drive failures (and depending on the RAID controller Card, possibly 4 drives can fail before you lose data)

The Disadvantages to RAID 5/6/10 is that they need more drives but the amount of data you can store is less as some of the drives are HOT SPARES that don't count towards how much data you can store until they are called into action by a failure of a drive.

Think of it as you have 6 workers and 4 shovels...2 workers are just standing there, while the other 4 are digging with 1 shovel each. The 2 workers on standby are not doing any work but you still had to hire them and pay them as if they were performing work.
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BTW, you'd be better served if you post this in the Tech Forum instead of the Lounge...as you'll probably get OFF TOPIC answers, where that is kept to a minimum in the other sub-forum.
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07-16-2020 at 11:51 AM.
07-16-2020 at 11:51 AM.
And just as a reminder: RAID IS NOT A BACKUP SOLUTION! It's designed for performance and availability. I don't know many people that use RAID 0 anymore as it has no recovery capability. Raid 1, 5, 6, 10, or a combination of those are more popular depending on your needs.
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07-16-2020 at 12:01 PM.
07-16-2020 at 12:01 PM.
Quote from w3kn :
And just as a reminder: RAID IS NOT A BACKUP SOLUTION! It's designed for performance and availability. I don't know many people that use RAID 0 anymore as it has no recovery capability. Raid 1, 5, 6, 10, or a combination of those are more popular depending on your needs.
Not a Backup?? EEK!

Splitting hairs here, but someone could buy 2 NAS stations and put both in RAID 0 configs and 1 backs the other one up, but even that would be damn risky since it only takes 1 drive failure to FUBAR the NAS.

Also...
With SSD's these days, the ole performance trick of RAID 0 on your desktop for the gaming rig speed really is a thing of the past at this point.
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07-17-2020 at 04:32 AM.
07-17-2020 at 04:32 AM.
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Not a Backup?? You know, I've heard that a time or two!

Splitting hairs here, but someone could buy 2 NAS stations and put both in RAID 0 configs and 1 backs the other one up, but even that would be damn risky since it only takes 1 drive failure to FUBAR the NAS.

Also...
With SSD's these days, the ole performance trick of RAID 0 on your desktop for the gaming rig speed really is a thing of the past at this point.
It's funny you mention that. I once worked at a place and inherited a NAS as part of my sys admin duties. When I asked the team where the backups go, they looked at me as if I had 3 heads and said "It's using RAID 5, so it's fine". Facepalm They had this thing in production for 2 years with no backup solution. I immediately got approval, went out, and bought an external HDD to at least back up the data somewhere, and then started working on a longer term solution. This was before cloud-based backups were popular, so I had to find real estate for a duplicate system. The NAS we had wasn't sold anymore, so I had to get creative with the solution.
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07-17-2020 at 07:41 AM.
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Quote from w3kn :
It's funny you mention that. I once worked at a place and inherited a NAS as part of my sys admin duties. When I asked the team where the backups go, they looked at me as if I had 3 heads and said "It's using RAID 5, so it's fine". Facepalm They had this thing in production for 2 years with no backup solution. I immediately got approval, went out, and bought an external HDD to at least back up the data somewhere, and then started working on a longer term solution. This was before cloud-based backups were popular, so I had to find real estate for a duplicate system. The NAS we had wasn't sold anymore, so I had to get creative with the solution.
A couple years back when we were modernizing things aka getting off of LTO3 tape based backups...

It was a bit of a struggle to get the suits to buy off on purchasing the VNX Array (Mix of SSD/15K/7.2K drives) to be used as the Primary Storage AND the Isilon for the Backup storage.

Until we put it bluntly as the VNX was agile and fast and the Isilon was Cheap and Deep did it finally click with them that they had two distinct purposes.

The DBA's now have a Pure all Flash array that their VM's live on.
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