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Select LA/SF Dealers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15k Fuel Card

after Tax Credits & Incentives (Select Locations)

$23,100

$52,408

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Ponzi
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I went to Hamer Toyota and they had balls to mark those up 3k plus 1k gps add-on. Came to $56.5k with no negotiation because stimulus money is here and dealers wants it all. Sad state
ExtremeOak
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Hydrogen Fuel cell is exempt from CA rebate income limits.

"The income cap applies for all eligible vehicle types except fuel-cell electric vehicles."

Source: cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/requirements/1470
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Slow car, 0-60 is 9.3 sec

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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from aerohunter :
when you file for tax return you will get the 8k back, no need to tell employer to withhold less.
I just checked and you definitely need to OWE the Fed at least $8K to take full benefit. If you don't owe the IRS when you file next tax year then you will get $0 benefit from this program. Please plan ahead.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shop...dits-work/

How do you receive the credits?
The process is fairly simple. You first have to buy a vehicle that qualifies, of course. Then you fill out form 8936 along with your tax return. It is important to note that the credits are non-refundable tax credits, as opposed to refundable tax credits. That means that the credits can only be applied to the taxes you owe in a given year, and if you received more in credits than you owe in taxes, you will not receive the difference in the form of a check. (With refundable tax credits, you would receive that check). Additionally, since the credits don't roll over, you can only apply the credits to your taxes for one tax year.

Keep in mind that you cannot qualify for the credits if you lease the vehicle because you don't own it— the manufacturer does. In that case, the manufacturer can qualify for and receive the credit; the credit is often figured into the price of the lease, so you receive the benefit indirectly.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from tai_son :
absolutely, so they can have a good laugh.
You have to take it to Toyota. Just like all new BEVs or PHEVs.. I don't think you can easily take your Tesla, Prius Prime, Nissan Leaf, etc to your local mechanic either? FCEV is no exception.
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aerohunter
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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
I just checked and you definitely need to OWE the Fed at least $8K to take full benefit. If you don't owe the IRS when you file next tax year then you will get $0 benefit from this program. Please plan ahead.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shop...dits-work/ [caranddriver.com]

How do you receive the credits?
The process is fairly simple. You first have to buy a vehicle that qualifies, of course. Then you fill out form 8936 along with your tax return. It is important to note that the credits are non-refundable tax credits, as opposed to refundable tax credits. That means that the credits can only be applied to the taxes you owe in a given year, and if you received more in credits than you owe in taxes, you will not receive the difference in the form of a check. (With refundable tax credits, you would receive that check). Additionally, since the credits don't roll over, you can only apply the credits to your taxes for one tax year.

Keep in mind that you cannot qualify for the credits if you lease the vehicle because you don't own it— the manufacturer does. In that case, the manufacturer can qualify for and receive the credit; the credit is often figured into the price of the lease, so you receive the benefit indirectly.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...ndividuals

you can get it back in the tax refund as long as you own more than 8k.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from aerohunter :
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...ndividuals

you can get it back in the tax refund as long as you own more than 8k.
I am learning so can you please quote where the EV/FCEV is a refundable tax credit? When I bought my Volt I made sure to owe the IRS.

All that I've heard and read, including the Car and Driver, specifically states this is a "non-refundable tax credit" unlike most other tax credits.

Would be awesome if I can get this as a refund.
Last edited by Duke-GlobeTrotter March 20, 2021 at 07:46 PM.
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RyzenPrime
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Drove to local Toyota dealers, they didn't have any of XLE in stock even they show they got some online. Wasted my trip to there. Not a deal, and don't waste your time and gas unless you are buying the Limited which is more than 10k more expensive ones.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from RyzenPrime :
Drove to local Toyota dealers, they didn't have any of XLE in stock even they show they got some online. Wasted my trip to there. Not a deal, and don't waste your time and gas unless you are buying the Limited which is more than 10k more expensive ones.
Yes, the Mirai XLEs are selling fast. I just stopped by the dealership to pickup something and they informed me they sold out all of their 26 on inventory. Their next shipment is just one red car.

IF, and this is a huge IF, this car and deal is for you then I suggest you call around and get on it.
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namx
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Quote from RyzenPrime :
Drove to local Toyota dealers, they didn't have any of XLE in stock even they show they got some online. Wasted my trip to there. Not a deal, and don't waste your time and gas unless you are buying the Limited which is more than 10k more expensive ones.
Which dealers are these?

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namx
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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
Yes, the Mirai XLEs are selling fast. I just stopped by the dealership to pickup something and they informed me they sold out all of their 26 on inventory. Their next shipment is just one red car.

IF, and this is a huge IF, this car and deal is for you then I suggest you call around and get on it.
Which is this dealer?
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aerohunter
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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
I am learning so can you please quote where the EV/FCEV is a refundable tax credit? When I bought my Volt I made sure to owe the IRS.

All that I've heard and read, including the Car and Driver, specifically states this is a "non-refundable tax credit" unlike most other tax credits.

Would be awesome if I can get this as a refund.
https://www.efile.com/tax-credits/

You are right EV/FCEV is Non-refundable tax credit. The amount of "tax owe" is where you and I disagree. "Tax owe" is the tax liability needed to be paid for the entire year regardless you prepaid/withhold or not. If you prepaid/withhold more than "tax owe" then you get them back in tax refund/return, if you paid less, and you need to make up the difference.

You are saying the "tax owe" is the tax you still need to pay at the time of filing.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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What does it cover?
Basically bumper to bumper for the period.
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Quote from namx :
Which is this dealer?
SF Toyota on Geary street. I initially checked one in Dublin and they were selling out quick as well.
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Core2Quad
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Quote from ExtremeOak :
This is true, the dealership I went to did have used Mirai's at $12k-$13k w/ the $15k fuel card. That may be the true slick deal.

For me, I wanted the new 2021 Mirai for what it offered. It's a really nice car.
Is that a standard thing for CPO Mira's to include a 15K fuel card? The ones i'm looking at online mention nothing about this.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from Core2Quad :
Is that a standard thing for CPO Mira's to include a 15K fuel card? The ones i'm looking at online mention nothing about this.
Yes, I am certain all Certified used Mirai includes a $15K Fuel card. Used ones look like a Prius Prime The 2021 Mirai looks ans drives like a Lexus LS.
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gigiog
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Doing some fuzzy math it would seem like Hydrogen would need to be in the range of $6-7$ a KG to compete with gas? I have a sonata hybrid....Pretty reliably 35-40 MPG so call it 10 cents a mile. I don't think that price is economically viable as the electricity involved to make it will always be worth more than energy storage. You could use off peak energy, but in California that's expensive too and planned for EVs. It seems like EVs can store a KWh and consume it more efficiently than converting it to Hydrogen. It seems like if you strip all the subsidies away, even at scale, the only way to make the math work on these is to forget EVs exist.

"A 100% efficient electrolyser requires 39 kWh of electricity to produce 1 kg of hydrogen. The devices today require as much as 48 kWh/kg. So, if electricity costs are 0.05 US$/kWh, the power cost for the electrolysis process alone is 2.40 US$/kg of hydrogen."

So walk this quote above back, a Tesla can go 100 miles on 36KWH. The same 36KWH gets you at theoretical maximum 60 miles or so on a fuel cell.
The math gets a bit more complicated, and it's about timing and cost of storage.
The wholesale energy prices in CA frequently dip negative, which means that you can electrolyze H2 (or charge batteries) and get paid for it. As retail customers, you and I don't (yet) get access to these prices.. but on a larger scale things get interesting. Nice thing for H2 is that theoretically you can fuel up quickly and have a longer range - something that folks value. Car batteries are actually starting to go up in price.. so curious to see what happens there.

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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
I just checked and you definitely need to OWE the Fed at least $8K to take full benefit. If you don't owe the IRS when you file next tax year then you will get $0 benefit from this program. Please plan ahead.

https://www.caranddriver.com/shop...dits-work/

How do you receive the credits?
The process is fairly simple. You first have to buy a vehicle that qualifies, of course. Then you fill out form 8936 along with your tax return. It is important to note that the credits are non-refundable tax credits, as opposed to refundable tax credits. That means that the credits can only be applied to the taxes you owe in a given year, and if you received more in credits than you owe in taxes, you will not receive the difference in the form of a check. (With refundable tax credits, you would receive that check). Additionally, since the credits don't roll over, you can only apply the credits to your taxes for one tax year.

Keep in mind that you cannot qualify for the credits if you lease the vehicle because you don't own it— the manufacturer does. In that case, the manufacturer can qualify for and receive the credit; the credit is often figured into the price of the lease, so you receive the benefit indirectly.

Thanks for finding that out.

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