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Select LA/SF Dealers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15k Fuel Card

after Tax Credits & Incentives (Select Locations)

$23,100

$52,408

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Select Eligible Toyota Dealers [Dealer Locator] located in Los Angeles / San Francisco, California are offering to Qualifying Customers: 2021 Toyota Mirai Hydrogen Fuel Cell Car + $15,000 in Complimentary Fuel for 2yrs with 0% APR for 72-Months for as low as $23,108 after Incentives and Tax Credits. Pricing and availability may vary depending on your location, consult your local eligible dealership for more information.
  • Note: Offer is valid at select participating Los Angeles / San Francisco, California locations only. Refer to the forum thread for additional deal details and discussion.
Thank to community member ExtremeOak for and reddit user XIIXOO for finding this deal.

Deal Details:
  1. Visit your local eligible Toyota Norcal Dealer [Dealer Locator]
  2. Shop for a eligible 2021 Toyota Mirai model that qualifies for the TFS Cash offer and Fuel Card offer mentioned on the page here
    • Note: Qualified buyers can finance a new 2021 Mirai at 0% APR for 72 Months.
  3. Apply for and purchase a qualifying model with prices starting from ~$50,408 (may vary by location)
  4. Toyota Cash Discount will deduct $20,000 from your total
  5. You will receive a $4,500 CA Tax Credit (more info)
  6. You will receive a $8,000 Federal Tax Credit (more info)
  7. You will also receive a Complimentary Fuel Card valid for up to 2 years or $15,000 of fuel (more info)
  8. Your total after incentives and tax credits will be as low as $23,108 and will vary depending on your location and model selection.
Additional Details:

Editor's Notes

Written by SaltyOne | Staff
  • We put this up due to popularity and the great discussion from our members in the comments that really highlights the spirit of the community. As a deal editing team we recognize the limited availability of this offer however
  • About this Deal:
    • Offer include a no cost maintenance plan with the purchase or lease of every new Toyota for 3 years or 35,000 miles, whichever comes first. 24-hour roadside assistance is also included for 3 years and unlimited miles
    • Terms:
      • 0% APR for 72 monthly payments of $13.89 for every $1,000 financed. Terms available on approved credit For only very well qualified customers/lessees through participating Toyota dealers and Toyota Financial Services (TFS). Cash offer must be applied toward required down payment amount or percentage. No down payment required if qualified for advertised offer. If you do not qualify for the offer, the amount and percentage of any down payment vary with your credit qualifications. There is no cash back option. Dealer contribution may vary and could affect price. Individual dealer prices, other terms and offers may vary. Must take retail delivery from dealer's stock and terms subject to vehicle availability. Cannot be combined with TFS Lease Cash, Customer Cash, Lease, Lease Subvention Cash. See your participating Toyota dealer for details. Offer available in CA regardless of buyer's residency; void where prohibited. Expires 03-31-2021. Toyota Financial Services is a service mark used by Toyota Motor Credit Corporation.
      • Customers who lease a 2021 Mirai will receive complimentary fuel for three years or $15,000, whichever comes first. Customers who purchase or finance a 2021 Mirai through June 30, 2021 receive an additional three years to use the $15,000 of fuel. Complimentary fuel term begins as of card activation or 90 days after the Mirai lease or purchase commencement date, whichever is earlier. Fuel card is nontransferable. The Mirai is a hydrogen-powered fuel cell electric vehicle that must be fueled at hydrogen stations conforming to the standards. See https://cafcp.org/stationmap for current hydrogen fueling station locations.

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Ponzi
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I went to Hamer Toyota and they had balls to mark those up 3k plus 1k gps add-on. Came to $56.5k with no negotiation because stimulus money is here and dealers wants it all. Sad state
ExtremeOak
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Hydrogen Fuel cell is exempt from CA rebate income limits.

"The income cap applies for all eligible vehicle types except fuel-cell electric vehicles."

Source: cleanvehiclerebate.org/eng/requirements/1470
sawman5
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Slow car, 0-60 is 9.3 sec

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Powering The Nation - Hydrogen Fuel Cells - The Clean Transportation Alternative

Viewers will have the opportunity to see it on the following broadcasts. Check local listings:
Science Channel: Friday, March 26 at 7 p.m. EDT
MotorTrend TV: Friday, March 26 at 7 p.m. EDT
Discovery: Saturday, March 27 at 8 a.m. EDT

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-r...51329.html
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th3g3ntl3man
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Quote from fatshinobi :
I don't see the fuel card offer anymore. I think its dead.
It's still there.

https://www.toyota.com/socal/deal.../mirai/​
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th3g3ntl3man
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Quote from deusofhearts :
The tire pressure on my Mirai was 42 PSI cold, and 47 PSI hot. This felt a bit too close to the maximum rated 51 PSI of the tires for my comfort. I brought it down to 33 PSI cold, the listed pressure on the side of the car door, and ride quality improved.
Great tip, thanks!
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LorenzoY
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Quote from PassiveX :
I was browsing the Chevy Bolt thread when I heard about this deal.
After a few days of research, I took a test drive then pulled the trigger last week.

I absolutely love the car and this is a bonkers deal.

I did a blog post where I pulled together everything I learned about the car and the deal. I also added my first fueling experience.
http://www.zr07.com/2021/03/2021-...lexus.html

I hope the info helps some of you make your choice. This is a niche car so it's not for everyone, but there's a lot of benefits if you can deal with the issues of owning a hydrogen car.

what's your insurance like for this one? I'd be curious as to what the annual insurance and registration costs are...
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from LorenzoY :
what's your insurance like for this one? I'd be curious as to what the annual insurance and registration costs are...
Depends our your situation but it's a $50K car.
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Zerosvn
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Quote from LorenzoY :
what's your insurance like for this one? I'd be curious as to what the annual insurance and registration costs are...
It's about the same as my old 2017 Nissan Murano.

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samsungs70
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Noob question: Can someone explain why the car value is almost $0 after 6 years?
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TPMJB
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Quote from PossumLodge :
Hydrogen is not quite ready for prime time. In fact, it still mosty is refined from fossil fuels and production of it generates a lot of greenhouse gas.

Short term, electric is better, even with the finite resources needed to produce the batteries.

"James May has written the best battery vs hydrogen electric summary we've read"
https://www.driving.co.uk/news/te...ota-mirai/ [driving.co.uk]
That's a pretty biased opinion, weighing the limited availability of rare Earth metals less than GHGs. We'll run out of rare earth metals far before GHGs actually become a problem or petrol runs out
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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I, too,wonder why Toyota has been selling their Mirais (1st and 2nd gen) cars at such a huge loss and why aren't they plunging into BEVs like the rest of existing legacy car companies?

The answer maybe because Toyota can afford to.

TLDR:
Almost all car companies are selling their BEVs and FCEVs at a loss. All legacy car companies, besides Toyota, need to quicky reduce their carbon emissions required by all governments. Toyota's Prius sales provides them the luxury to scatter their eggs as BEV is a proven tech car model that they can jump in at any time.

1) Toyota is the #1 car maker in the world in terms of volume and revenue (not sure about profits but probably up at the very top).

2) Almost all legacy car manufacturers are paying hundreds of millions, and even billions, per year in carbon fines and/or purchase carbon tax credits from the likes of Tesla (that's how Tesla is profitable).

3) These legacy car companies have no choice but to fully adopt the proven Tesla model to make and sell mass production BEV cars. The cost of the carbon fines and purchasing these credits are continue to increase as governments keep raising their requirements.

4) Toyota is not just the #1 legacy car company but has also been the leader and #1 hybrid car company since the introduction of the wildly successful Prius in 1997 (24 years ago)!!! The Prius, and other hybrids, phev, and even pure small production pure Rav-EV (with Tesla battery and tech) have give Toyota a huge cushion on what direction they can invest R&D money rather than pay millions or billions carbon fines or buy carbon tax credits.

5) There is no doubt BEVs are the future but honestly the "future" just isn't here yet and ICE and Hybrids are the present at least for the next 5-10 years.

6) We will see an explosion of models and adoption of BEVs by 2030 as battery technology improves, still not there, and increase in charger infrastructure. There also the power grid challenge that highly populated states and metropolitan areas will have to address to accommodate all the BEVs that will need charging whether at home or at superfast charging stations.

7) Hydrogen is here to stay, maybe less likely in light passenger vehicles, but the tech has been around for a long time and it is more practical in other different applications such as heavy machinery, such as trucks and planes. There actually is a consensus that hydrogen is the future(future-most) for some applications. So Toyota says why not spend some luxury cash they have on this R&D.
Last edited by Duke-GlobeTrotter March 22, 2021 at 01:01 PM.
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Zerosvn
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Quote from riggedveda :
It's non-refundable, but your understanding of 'amount you owe' is incorrect. In tax terms, 'amount you owe' is the total net tax payment for the year calculated in your filing, regardless of what you already paid at the time of filing. As long as your calculated net tax is greater than 8K after all other credits, then 8K will be added to your tax refund.

It's generally not a good idea to have unpaid taxes beyond the end of the year. You'll incur unnecessary penalties and interest.
It would be great if someone can consult their tax advisor and chime in. My tax liability is way more than 8k after credits but I've been withholding more every pay check so I get a refund every year. I'd like to know if I have to change my fed withholding to max out the 8k or just leave it as is.

There's been a lot of discussion on this point but no definitive answer. I might just do the withholding change to be safe. Probably pay a bit of interest but, penalties?
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Zerosvn
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Quote from samsungs70 :
Noob question: Can someone explain why the car value is almost $0 after 6 years?
It's not. It'll probably be around $7k when you resell to dealer at the end of 6 years.
People are purchasing assuming it will go to zero (worst case scenario). Take a test drive and you will see how nice it feels and rides.

Let's say hydrogen tech is gone 6 years from now, parts in this car are worth some good dollars. The platinum in the converter and the carbon fiber on the 3 fuel tanks alone are worth a lot.
Last edited by PassiveX March 22, 2021 at 09:15 AM.
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Duke-GlobeTrotter
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Quote from Duke-GlobeTrotter :
I, too,wonder why Toyota has been selling their Mirais (1st and 2nd gen) cars at such a huge loss and why aren't they plunging into BEVs like the rest of existing legacy car companies?

The answer maybe because Toyota can afford to.

TLDR:
Almost all car companies are selling their BEVs and FCEVs at a loss. All legacy car companies, besides Toyota, need to quicky reduce their carbon emissions required by all governments. Toyota's Prius sales provides them the luxury to scatter their eggs as BEV is a proven tech car model that they can jump in at any time.

1) Toyota is the #1 car maker in the world in terms of volume and revenue (not sure about profits but probably up at the very top).

2) Almost all legacy car manufacturers are paying hundreds of millions, and even billions, per year in carbon fines and/or purchase carbon tax credits from the likes of Tesla (that's how Tesla is profitable).

3) These legacy car companies have no choice but to fully adopt the proven Tesla model to make and sell mass production BEV cars. The cost of the carbon fines and purchasing these credits are continue to increase as governments keep raising their requirements.

4) Toyota is not just the #1 legacy car company but has also been the leader and #1 hybrid car company since the introduction of the wildly successful Prius in 1997 (24 years ago)!!! The Prius, and other hybrids, phev, and even pure small production pure Rav-EV (with Tesla battery and tech) have give Toyota a huge cushion on what direction they can invest R&D money rather than pay millions or billions carbon fines or buy carbon tax credits.

5) There is no doubt BEVs are the future but honestly the "future" just isn't here yet and ICE and Hybrids are the present at least for the next 5-10 years.

6) We will see an explosion of models and adoption of BEVs by 2030 as battery technology improves, still not there, and increase in charger infrastructure. There also the power grid challenge that highly populated states and metropolitan areas will have to address to accommodate all the BEVs that will need charging whether at home or at superfast charging stations.

7) Hydrogen us here to stay, maybe less likely in light passenger vehicles, but the tech has been around for a long time and it is more practical in other different applications such as heavy machinery, such as trucks and planes. There actually is a consensus that hydrogen is the future(futuremost) for some applications. So Toyota says why not spend some luxury cash they have on this R&D.
Even though the Mirai is technically a FCEV hybrid because it doesnl contain a small battery, I would love to see the idea of a FCEV plugin hybrid that has an battery range of 30-50miles.
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wpc
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Quote from coleen66 :
Shell is supposed to build 70 new hydrogen stations in California. I am unsure of the timeframe.
I'm sure by the time they are done I'll be ready to sell my plugin-hybrid and could possibly consider this. But that's not going to be anytime soon.

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riggedveda
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Quote from PassiveX :
It would be great if someone can consult their tax advisor and chime in. My tax liability is way more than 8k after credits but I've been withholding more every pay check so I get a refund every year. I'd like to know if I have to change my fed withholding to max out the 8k or just leave it as is.

There's been a lot of discussion on this point but no definitive answer. I might just do the withholding change to be safe. Probably pay a bit of interest but, penalties?
Here's a good write-up on this: https://thefinancebuff.com/refund...redit.html

I may have overstated the penalties and interest. If you owe taxes beyond end of the year as a one-off, you're not going to be penalized as long as your payment is received by Apr 15th.

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