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QNAP TS-653D-4G 6-Bay NAS Enclosure
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B&H Photo Video has QNAP TS-653D-4G-US 6-Bay NAS Enclosure on sale for $559 > now $519.99. Shipping is free.
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- Intel Celeron J4125 quad-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.7 GHz)
- Intel HD Graphics 600
- 4GB SO-DIMM DDR4 (Max 8GB)
- 6 x 3.5-inch drive bays (Diskless)
- 2 x 2.5GbE ports
- 1 x PCIe Gen 2 slot
- 3 x USB 2.0 ports
- 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports
- 1 x HDMI output
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- This is priced $90 lower (13.8% savings) than the $649 list price.
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- About this product:
- This has a 4.5 out of 5 star overall rating on Amazon based on over 840 reviews.
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B&H Photo Video has QNAP TS-653D-4G-US 6-Bay NAS Enclosure on sale for $559 > now $519.99. Shipping is free.
Thanks to Community Member vns1 for finding this deal.
Key Features:
Thanks to Community Member vns1 for finding this deal.
Key Features:
- Intel Celeron J4125 quad-core 2.0 GHz processor (burst up to 2.7 GHz)
- Intel HD Graphics 600
- 4GB SO-DIMM DDR4 (Max 8GB)
- 6 x 3.5-inch drive bays (Diskless)
- 2 x 2.5GbE ports
- 1 x PCIe Gen 2 slot
- 3 x USB 2.0 ports
- 2 x USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports
- 1 x HDMI output
Editor's Notes
Written by Corwin | Staff- About this deal:
- This is priced $90 lower (13.8% savings) than the $649 list price.
- Refer to the forum thread for additional details and discussion.
- About this product:
- This has a 4.5 out of 5 star overall rating on Amazon based on over 840 reviews.
- About this store:
- Don't have Amazon Prime? Students can get a free 6-Month Amazon Prime trial with free 2-day shipping, unlimited video streaming & more.
- If you're not a student, there's also a free 1-Month Amazon Prime trial available. -Corwin
- No Longer Available:
- Amazon has QNAP TS-653D-4G 6-Bay NAS Enclosure on sale for $559. Shipping is free.
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Model: QNAP TS-653D-4G 6 Bay NAS for Professionals with Intel® Celeron® J4125 CPU and Two 2.5GbE Ports
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Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
QTS isn't terrible, I do think it's behind Synology or the others that you mentioned if you're just looking to NAS this device.
QNAP does have a lot of zero days - but it's pretty well documented about not opening up anything to internet on their forums, well any forums for QNAP due to this. Pretty standard for any type of App/Hardware these days to limit the attack surface as much as possible.
There's the third-party / maintained QPKG repos out there to help. But yeah, they're slow to update and they're third-party. I didn't find them clunky and worked as expected.
I migrated all my Apps (Sonarr/Radarr/Sab/PiHole...ect) to container station via Portainer / Compose. I do think Container Station would be okay but just for overall management Portainer is the way to go.
Not sure where you're getting the VM loading times and specifically for Home Assistant, as that's how I'm running my HA instance. It's back up in less than minute during updates via the App or system reboots (well maybe slightly on VM restart, def no where near 20mins)
I also have an Microsoft Intune/ConfigMgr lab running in there with multiple different client OS's for testing; Ubuntu and Ansible/Teraform lab - they're all speedy, I haven't found any issues.
I've updated the memory to 32gigs and haven't had any Kernel Panics / stops. The VMs see the memory I assigned and it's def over the allotted 8gbs.
I don't know, I just haven't had the experience you've outlined above with mine. I've maxed out the drives with 14TB disks, 32gb RAM. I did a lot of research when I first started looking and it was between this guy and a 6 bay Synology, I ended up on the QNAP just for the hardware and I knew coming in EVERYONE said QNAP software sucks and is inferior to Synology - I was worried I was going to see that. I've never used Synology - but I can say that I haven't felt I couldn't do something I wanted or had issues with so far. I don't regret going QNAP.
1. This is a Celeron CPU - so, expectations need to be adjusted accordingly. Don't expect some tremendous performance with transcoding videos for example - but it will still do the job.
2. RAM - it does support and can use 32GB (which is super handy if you want to run a few containers). That's what I have, tested and confirmed. The caveat - you must use dual-rank memory modules. Here are the details: https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t
3. Fan noise - I have the 4-drive unit, fan is practically silent.
4. HDD temperatures - it is more than good. To do initial burn-in on the drives I ran ShredOS (similar to DBAN) to fill 4x16TB drives multiple times with random data. This was a 100% load for the drives for over a week - which is way beyond what's typical for a NAS - and all drives kept 40-41C and the entire system performed flawlessly.
5. Do you need 2.5G Ethernet ports - YES! With 4 drives at 160-180MB/sec I was getting 600-700Mb/sec combined easily from the drives. Your bottleneck is the LAN port. Even if you bridge the two you will still hit the limit.
6. Extra PCIe slot is very handy. I was surprised that a 10GBps Mellanox 311 SFP+ card was literally a plug-and-play thing. It was fully supported and just worked.
Minor annoyance with that - you will have to mess with the low-profile bracket as QNAP decided to use a non-standard bracket. Not that it was a big deal - I had to bent one bit, and drill a new hole for the screw (as I insisted on it being installed and screwed properly). You could just install it without the bracket and it will be mostly fine - after all you will likely put the NAS somewhere once and never move it from there.
7. The 6-drive unit is extra tempting as drives are really cheap those days. So, instead of transcoding or do other magics to reduce file size I would just get a few extra drives.
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In your TV use case: strip the subs and data out of the file and it'll play on your TV without transcoding. Even my 5 year old TCL's direct stream h265 without issue. The main issue with transcoding is data being presented that the device doesn't know how to handle, not the video codecs.
I am in agreement that streaming over mobile data presents a challenge that might require on the fly transcoding, but the devices are all completely capable. OP only asked if the original device would transcode 4k video, not over mobile data. For streaming over mobile data, in a case where you have an already optimized-for-direct-streaming/play library and are going to be regularly streaming over mobile data, I would suggest using Plex's optimize feature and keeping second copies that are already optimized for mobile as this second copy will be relatively tiny in comparison.
1. This is a Celeron CPU - so, expectations need to be adjusted accordingly. Don't expect some tremendous performance with transcoding videos for example - but it will still do the job.
2. RAM - it does support and can use 32GB (which is super handy if you want to run a few containers). That's what I have, tested and confirmed. The caveat - you must use dual-rank memory modules. Here are the details: https://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?t
3. Fan noise - I have the 4-drive unit, fan is practically silent.
4. HDD temperatures - it is more than good. To do initial burn-in on the drives I ran ShredOS (similar to DBAN) to fill 4x16TB drives multiple times with random data. This was a 100% load for the drives for over a week - which is way beyond what's typical for a NAS - and all drives kept 40-41C and the entire system performed flawlessly.
5. Do you need 2.5G Ethernet ports - YES! With 4 drives at 160-180MB/sec I was getting 600-700Mb/sec combined easily from the drives. Your bottleneck is the LAN port. Even if you bridge the two you will still hit the limit.
6. Extra PCIe slot is very handy. I was surprised that a 10GBps Mellanox 311 SFP+ card was literally a plug-and-play thing. It was fully supported and just worked.
Minor annoyance with that - you will have to mess with the low-profile bracket as QNAP decided to use a non-standard bracket. Not that it was a big deal - I had to bent one bit, and drill a new hole for the screw (as I insisted on it being installed and screwed properly). You could just install it without the bracket and it will be mostly fine - after all you will likely put the NAS somewhere once and never move it from there.
7. The 6-drive unit is extra tempting as drives are really cheap those days. So, instead of transcoding or do other magics to reduce file size I would just get a few extra drives.
There ARE Qnap units that can only do hardware transcoding with their native apps, but this isn't one of them. Plex can use the Celeron's iGPU.
If you get this, just....don't bother with QTS (the QNAP operating system). Get a high quality USB flash drive and boot something like unRAID or freeNAS or trueNAS.
Seriously.
QTS is horrible. When you first set it up, it's wide open. uPnP is enabled, so if it's enabled in your router too congrats! Your NAS is wide open to the internet!
myqnapcloud is a remote administration tool that relies on...again...a wide-open port. Worse, the software is so easily exploited that QNAP devices are frequently targeted for ransomware attacks. Even if you exclusively use your NAS for your own enjoyment and never publish anything externally, it'll get found and it'll get attacked.
Now - you can disable uPnP, close all ports except one you use as a VPN server (not client) port. That will work rather well. It's a good decision...however...
...QNAP software sucks. You can get the QNAP versions of things like Plex, or you can download versions of Sonarr/Radarr or other apps - it might work, but it's clunky.
...and if you decide to go about it through docker, they DO have container station...but it's crippled. It works poorly. You can put portainer on there and it'll make things better, but not all the way.
...and if you instead just want to run a VM - Virtualization Station is super slow. Like...20 minutes to boot home assistant (lightweight home automation software) slow.
...and the memory support only goes to 8gb. Yeah you can put more, and yeah it can detect and use it...but QTS finds a way to kernel panic once a week with anything more than 8gb in this type of machine. It's a virtual guarantee.
This device is good for its hardware, the fact that it sips, not chugs, electricity, and can relatively easily be used with a different OS.
EDIT - yes you can get used certified r720 with 128gb of memory for this price. It's also loud, chugs electricity, and doesn't sit beautifully in a small footprint where it could potentially live on your TV cabinet or somewhere like that.
Anyone doing this should know better. QTS is fine, just don't be dumb and expose ANYTHING to the internet.
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If you get this, just....don't bother with QTS (the QNAP operating system). Get a high quality USB flash drive and boot something like unRAID or freeNAS or trueNAS.
Seriously.
QTS is horrible. When you first set it up, it's wide open. uPnP is enabled, so if it's enabled in your router too congrats! Your NAS is wide open to the internet!
myqnapcloud is a remote administration tool that relies on...again...a wide-open port. Worse, the software is so easily exploited that QNAP devices are frequently targeted for ransomware attacks. Even if you exclusively use your NAS for your own enjoyment and never publish anything externally, it'll get found and it'll get attacked.
Now - you can disable uPnP, close all ports except one you use as a VPN server (not client) port. That will work rather well. It's a good decision...however...
...QNAP software sucks. You can get the QNAP versions of things like Plex, or you can download versions of Sonarr/Radarr or other apps - it might work, but it's clunky.
...and if you decide to go about it through docker, they DO have container station...but it's crippled. It works poorly. You can put portainer on there and it'll make things better, but not all the way.
...and if you instead just want to run a VM - Virtualization Station is super slow. Like...20 minutes to boot home assistant (lightweight home automation software) slow.
...and the memory support only goes to 8gb. Yeah you can put more, and yeah it can detect and use it...but QTS finds a way to kernel panic once a week with anything more than 8gb in this type of machine. It's a virtual guarantee.
This device is good for its hardware, the fact that it sips, not chugs, electricity, and can relatively easily be used with a different OS.
EDIT - yes you can get used certified r720 with 128gb of memory for this price. It's also loud, chugs electricity, and doesn't sit beautifully in a small footprint where it could potentially live on your TV cabinet or somewhere like that.
I've had this unit for a while now. And I think you got a defective unit; unless if you're speaking from personal experience and not collection of angry reddit posts - I would look to replace it.
QTS isn't terrible, I do think it's behind Synology or the others that you mentioned if you're just looking to NAS this device.
QNAP does have a lot of zero days - but it's pretty well documented about not opening up anything to internet on their forums, well any forums for QNAP due to this. Pretty standard for any type of App/Hardware these days to limit the attack surface as much as possible.
There's the third-party / maintained QPKG repos out there to help. But yeah, they're slow to update and they're third-party. I didn't find them clunky and worked as expected.
I migrated all my Apps (Sonarr/Radarr/Sab/PiHole...ect) to container station via Portainer / Compose. I do think Container Station would be okay but just for overall management Portainer is the way to go.
Not sure where you're getting the VM loading times and specifically for Home Assistant, as that's how I'm running my HA instance. It's back up in less than minute during updates via the App or system reboots (well maybe slightly on VM restart, def no where near 20mins)
I also have an Microsoft Intune/ConfigMgr lab running in there with multiple different client OS's for testing; Ubuntu and Ansible/Teraform lab - they're all speedy, I haven't found any issues.
I've updated the memory to 32gigs and haven't had any Kernel Panics / stops. The VMs see the memory I assigned and it's def over the allotted 8gbs.
I don't know, I just haven't had the experience you've outlined above with mine. I've maxed out the drives with 14TB disks, 32gb RAM. I did a lot of research when I first started looking and it was between this guy and a 6 bay Synology, I ended up on the QNAP just for the hardware and I knew coming in EVERYONE said QNAP software sucks and is inferior to Synology - I was worried I was going to see that. I've never used Synology - but I can say that I haven't felt I couldn't do something I wanted or had issues with so far. I don't regret going QNAP.
If you get this, just....don't bother with QTS (the QNAP operating system). Get a high quality USB flash drive and boot something like unRAID or freeNAS or trueNAS.
Seriously.
QTS is horrible. When you first set it up, it's wide open. uPnP is enabled, so if it's enabled in your router too congrats! Your NAS is wide open to the internet!
myqnapcloud is a remote administration tool that relies on...again...a wide-open port. Worse, the software is so easily exploited that QNAP devices are frequently targeted for ransomware attacks. Even if you exclusively use your NAS for your own enjoyment and never publish anything externally, it'll get found and it'll get attacked.
Now - you can disable uPnP, close all ports except one you use as a VPN server (not client) port. That will work rather well. It's a good decision...however...
...QNAP software sucks. You can get the QNAP versions of things like Plex, or you can download versions of Sonarr/Radarr or other apps - it might work, but it's clunky.
...and if you decide to go about it through docker, they DO have container station...but it's crippled. It works poorly. You can put portainer on there and it'll make things better, but not all the way.
...and if you instead just want to run a VM - Virtualization Station is super slow. Like...20 minutes to boot home assistant (lightweight home automation software) slow.
...and the memory support only goes to 8gb. Yeah you can put more, and yeah it can detect and use it...but QTS finds a way to kernel panic once a week with anything more than 8gb in this type of machine. It's a virtual guarantee.
This device is good for its hardware, the fact that it sips, not chugs, electricity, and can relatively easily be used with a different OS.
EDIT - yes you can get used certified r720 with 128gb of memory for this price. It's also loud, chugs electricity, and doesn't sit beautifully in a small footprint where it could potentially live on your TV cabinet or somewhere like that.
Qnap security advisor does a great job of monitoring and showing how to further secure the device, but is not installed by default, which is weird.
QTS isn't terrible, I do think it's behind Synology or the others that you mentioned if you're just looking to NAS this device.
QNAP does have a lot of zero days - but it's pretty well documented about not opening up anything to internet on their forums, well any forums for QNAP due to this. Pretty standard for any type of App/Hardware these days to limit the attack surface as much as possible.
There's the third-party / maintained QPKG repos out there to help. But yeah, they're slow to update and they're third-party. I didn't find them clunky and worked as expected.
I migrated all my Apps (Sonarr/Radarr/Sab/PiHole...ect) to container station via Portainer / Compose. I do think Container Station would be okay but just for overall management Portainer is the way to go.
Not sure where you're getting the VM loading times and specifically for Home Assistant, as that's how I'm running my HA instance. It's back up in less than minute during updates via the App or system reboots (well maybe slightly on VM restart, def no where near 20mins)
I also have an Microsoft Intune/ConfigMgr lab running in there with multiple different client OS's for testing; Ubuntu and Ansible/Teraform lab - they're all speedy, I haven't found any issues.
I've updated the memory to 32gigs and haven't had any Kernel Panics / stops. The VMs see the memory I assigned and it's def over the allotted 8gbs.
I don't know, I just haven't had the experience you've outlined above with mine. I've maxed out the drives with 14TB disks, 32gb RAM. I did a lot of research when I first started looking and it was between this guy and a 6 bay Synology, I ended up on the QNAP just for the hardware and I knew coming in EVERYONE said QNAP software sucks and is inferior to Synology - I was worried I was going to see that. I've never used Synology - but I can say that I haven't felt I couldn't do something I wanted or had issues with so far. I don't regret going QNAP.
Sorry for rambling. TL;DR: this is completely inadequate for transcoding really anything (not just 4k), but you shouldn't need too nowadays.
Also out of the box with the latest qts is decently secure. I would never connect any nas directly to the internet.
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