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expiredkenoctech posted Dec 18, 2022 04:09 PM
expiredkenoctech posted Dec 18, 2022 04:09 PM

Grizzl-E 40A, 10 kW EVSE for Electric Vehicle Charging (Classic, Avalanche, and Extreme Editions), UL Listed $349

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The Classic (black), Avalanche (white), and Extreme (camo) Editions of the Grizzl-E 40A (10kW) EVSE are on sale direct from Grizzl-E. These are some of the most reliable non-"smart" EVSE's on the market. They are made in Canada, and are UL certified, with a 3 year warranty. They come in a metal case with an extremely heavy-duty 24 foot charge cable and an IP67 (water resistant) rating for outdoor use.

Current is set via internal DIP switches, so if your circuit cannot support a 40A EVSE (which requires a 50A breaker and circuit) you can lower the current to run it safely on a lower capacity circuit.

The "Smart" edition [grizzl-e.com] is also on sale for $449 but I found the features to be too minimal and not at all worth the additional premium. All it allows is for you to set a schedule for charging, but since the majority of EVs have that feature built in it simply doesn't justify a $100 higher price.

Note: Shipping is extra.

https://grizzl-e.com/product/usa/...e-edition/
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The Classic (black), Avalanche (white), and Extreme (camo) Editions of the Grizzl-E 40A (10kW) EVSE are on sale direct from Grizzl-E. These are some of the most reliable non-"smart" EVSE's on the market. They are made in Canada, and are UL certified, with a 3 year warranty. They come in a metal case with an extremely heavy-duty 24 foot charge cable and an IP67 (water resistant) rating for outdoor use.

Current is set via internal DIP switches, so if your circuit cannot support a 40A EVSE (which requires a 50A breaker and circuit) you can lower the current to run it safely on a lower capacity circuit.

The "Smart" edition [grizzl-e.com] is also on sale for $449 but I found the features to be too minimal and not at all worth the additional premium. All it allows is for you to set a schedule for charging, but since the majority of EVs have that feature built in it simply doesn't justify a $100 higher price.

Note: Shipping is extra.

https://grizzl-e.com/product/usa/...e-edition/

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Original Poster
Dec 18, 2022 04:13 PM
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kenoctech
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Dec 18, 2022 04:13 PM
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Looks like Amazon has it on sale for close to the same price if you factor in shipping. However, sales tax made the Amazon price more expensive for me.
https://www.amazon.com/Grizzl-Lev...082LMVSLY/
Dec 18, 2022 05:37 PM
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WheelieBinDec 18, 2022 05:37 PM
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With Tesla lowering the price of their 48 amp/11kw NACS wall connector to $350, hopefully this price will become the new normal price point. None of these EVSEs (J1772 or NACS) should cost more than $300 anyway - all the expensive parts of a charger are in the car, not the EVSE.
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Quote from WheelieBin :
With Tesla lowering the price of their 48 amp/11kw NACS wall connector to $350, hopefully this price will become the new normal price point. None of these EVSEs (J1772 or NACS) should cost more than $300 anyway - all the expensive parts of a charger are in the car, not the EVSE.
But the NACS is still only for Tesla vehicles, while they are still charging $550 for the J1772 model, implying a difference of $200 just for the J1772 cable and plug.
Dec 18, 2022 11:39 PM
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hugeDec 18, 2022 11:39 PM
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https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/...mid=&psc=1

$400

But can connect with home monitoring and you can do solar only charging. Home monitoring is about $125 which is pretty good in itself

https://smile.amazon.com/Emporia-...th=1&psc=1
Dec 19, 2022 02:59 PM
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artibramuirDec 19, 2022 02:59 PM
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank artibramuir

I bought this a little over three years ago for about $100 more. It was easily the best value I could find at the time and I've been very happy with it. I've kept it outside and exposed to the elements through countless >100*F days, heavy rains, sleet, snow, and hail. As far as I can tell it's no worse for wear.

If I were buying today I might spend a little more to future-proof with higher amperage option even though I don't yet have a car that can take advantage of it. Still, if your priority is outdoor durability and resilience (or you're just very price-sensitive), this is an excellent option.
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Dec 19, 2022 03:21 PM
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likeawDec 19, 2022 03:21 PM
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No tax but $40 shipped to Texas.
Dec 19, 2022 10:00 PM
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hpark21Dec 19, 2022 10:00 PM
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Quote from kenoctech :
But the NACS is still only for Tesla vehicles, while they are still charging $550 for the J1772 model, implying a difference of $200 just for the J1772 cable and plug.
You can get TeslaTap for $160 (tesla -> J1772) or get Lectron version with 50A capability for around $149 (from Lectron website) and you can use the adapter at Tesla destination chargers to charge your J1772 EV.

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DaekwanDec 20, 2022 03:09 AM
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Quote from hpark21 :
You can get TeslaTap for $160 (tesla -> J1772) or get Lectron version with 50A capability for around $149 (from Lectron website) and you can use the adapter at Tesla destination chargers to charge your J1772 EV.
I thought about this, but nothing good comes from using adapters long-term. If you have a non-Tesla EV your best bet for a dedicated home charger is one with a permanent J1772 connector. And I say this as a Tesla owner who dropped my CCS1 adapter while charging at an EA station and just felt horrible as it rolled away underneath another car.. hopefully, it will work again the next time I need to actually need it too.

Buying an EVSE with a dedicated J1772 connector to use on a non-Tesla EV should work perfectly every time.. with no headaches or worries that come with using an adapter. The more expensive ones have WiFi with real smart features like stat tracking, scheduling, remote amperage control, and the ability to share control with your power company so you can get the cheapest off-peak rates and most incentives. Pepco gave me a $300 rebate on the ChargePoint Home Flex I use to charge my wife's ID.4.. I got special access to their off-peak EV charging rebate which gives me a refund of $0.03 per kWh via Amazon gift card every 3 months.. and Im signed up their smart control EVSE management which knocks another $10 off my monthly electric bill as Pepco can power cycle my EVSE during the night to spread out demand every night as the number of EV owners grows and everybody plugs in at at the same time when they get home from work.

Meanwhile, I do also own the Tesla Wall Connector and use it daily to charge my Model Y. For the most part, it's a dumb 'smart' charger. While it does connect to WiFi the only real thing that connection provides is power sharing. All other 'smart' charging features are essentially controlled by the car. Scheduling, amperage control, stat tracking and even sharing control with the power company.. all done on the touchscreen of my Model Y.. or by using the Tesla smartphone app.. or by sharing my Tesla API credentials with another party. The TWC does look awesome though... I love the design & lights.. and of course the 60A hardwired connection. At $350 its a steal. If the TWC w/J1772 connector dropped to $350 I'd buy one immediately.
Last edited by Daekwan December 19, 2022 at 07:25 PM.
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Dec 20, 2022 12:28 PM
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ScarletNest4118Dec 20, 2022 12:28 PM
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Quote from Daekwan :
I thought about this, but nothing good comes from using adapters long-term. If you have a non-Tesla EV your best bet for a dedicated home charger is one with a permanent J1772 connector. And I say this as a Tesla owner who dropped my CCS1 adapter while charging at an EA station and just felt horrible as it rolled away underneath another car.. hopefully, it will work again the next time I need to actually need it too.

Buying an EVSE with a dedicated J1772 connector to use on a non-Tesla EV should work perfectly every time.. with no headaches or worries that come with using an adapter. The more expensive ones have WiFi with real smart features like stat tracking, scheduling, remote amperage control, and the ability to share control with your power company so you can get the cheapest off-peak rates and most incentives. Pepco gave me a $300 rebate on the ChargePoint Home Flex I use to charge my wife's ID.4.. I got special access to their off-peak EV charging rebate which gives me a refund of $0.03 per kWh via Amazon gift card every 3 months.. and Im signed up their smart control EVSE management which knocks another $10 off my monthly electric bill as Pepco can power cycle my EVSE during the night to spread out demand every night as the number of EV owners grows and everybody plugs in at at the same time when they get home from work.

Meanwhile, I do also own the Tesla Wall Connector and use it daily to charge my Model Y. For the most part, it's a dumb 'smart' charger. While it does connect to WiFi the only real thing that connection provides is power sharing. All other 'smart' charging features are essentially controlled by the car. Scheduling, amperage control, stat tracking and even sharing control with the power company.. all done on the touchscreen of my Model Y.. or by using the Tesla smartphone app.. or by sharing my Tesla API credentials with another party. The TWC does look awesome though... I love the design & lights.. and of course the 60A hardwired connection. At $350 its a steal. If the TWC w/J1772 connector dropped to $350 I'd buy one immediately.
The Lectron adapater is pretty solid, use it daily on my TWC to a nissan leaf. Only runs at 3000W due to limits of the leaf though. But i agree if you dont have a tesla this is probably the best deal though i wouldnt recommend a plug-in like this, it is known most wall plugs are not meant for continuous high power use EVs require. Direct connection is the safest way to go. If you do get this pay for the most expensive/highest rated outlet you can find, the $15 ones at home depot can burn down your house, 10kW is A LOT of power to run for several hours non-stop.
Last edited by ScarletNest4118 December 20, 2022 at 04:32 AM.
Dec 24, 2022 03:36 AM
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Mr.ChinitoDec 24, 2022 03:36 AM
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Just install a 14-50 250v, 32amps is plenty enough for 99% of the people.
Dec 24, 2022 03:42 AM
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scraejtpDec 24, 2022 03:42 AM
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Quote from Yone_Yasuo_Main :
Just install a 14-50 250v, 32amps is plenty enough for 99% of the people.
You understand you still need an EVSE for the plug you just installed. Just like the one posted here.
Dec 24, 2022 05:42 AM
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pc5000Dec 24, 2022 05:42 AM
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Quote from WheelieBin :
With Tesla lowering the price of their 48 amp/11kw NACS wall connector to $350, hopefully this price will become the new normal price point. None of these EVSEs (J1772 or NACS) should cost more than $300 anyway - all the expensive parts of a charger are in the car, not the EVSE.
The expensive part is the copper wiring anymore. An equivalent extension cord is nearly half the price.
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KingCoopJan 18, 2023 05:42 PM
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Quote from artibramuir :
I bought this a little over three years ago for about $100 more. It was easily the best value I could find at the time and I've been very happy with it. I've kept it outside and exposed to the elements through countless >100*F days, heavy rains, sleet, snow, and hail. As far as I can tell it's no worse for wear.

If I were buying today I might spend a little more to future-proof with higher amperage option even though I don't yet have a car that can take advantage of it. Still, if your priority is outdoor durability and resilience (or you're just very price-sensitive), this is an excellent option.
There aren't many home EV chargers going higher than this 40A Grizzl-E unit. I looked at getting the ChargePoint Home which can do 48A but the price is $750. We're talking the difference between roughly 30 miles vs 35miles charge per hour, and that's only if the car supports the higher rate of charging.

I went with the Grizzl-E Smart version and use the ChargeLab app. Works great.
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Duplicate.
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Quote from ScarletNest4118 :
The Lectron adapater is pretty solid, use it daily on my TWC to a nissan leaf. Only runs at 3000W due to limits of the leaf though. But i agree if you dont have a tesla this is probably the best deal though i wouldnt recommend a plug-in like this, it is known most wall plugs are not meant for continuous high power use EVs require. Direct connection is the safest way to go. If you do get this pay for the most expensive/highest rated outlet you can find, the $15 ones at home depot can burn down your house, 10kW is A LOT of power to run for several hours non-stop.
Quote from Yone_Yasuo_Main :
Just install a 14-50 250v, 32amps is plenty enough for 99% of the people.
Quote from scraejtp :
You understand you still need an EVSE for the plug you just installed. Just like the one posted here.
For the Grizzl-E units, you can hardwire which is what I did. If you hardwire, you can run the unit to a 50A breaker and then get the max supported 40A charging. As mentioned, it is better long term to go hardwired vs using NEMA 14-50.

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