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Model: TCL 65-Inch QM8 QLED 4K Smart Mini LED TV with Google TV (65QM850G, 2023 Model) Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, HDR Ultra, Game Accelerator up to 240Hz, Voice Remote, Works with Alexa, Streaming Television
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You can create your own ratings on Rtings. You can adjust all your preferences and get a new rating for all tvs. https://www.rtings.com/user/ratin...SJUebYgNaw click on "Edit Rating" to change the values.
For example, I have mine set at:
28.9%Picture Quality
13.3%TV Shows
8.5%SDR Brightness
8.4%Real Scene Peak Brightness
7.0%Color Volume
5.6%Local Dimming
5.4%Contrast
5.4%Contrast with local dimming
4.3%HDR Brightness
4.2%Motion
4.1%Sports
1.7%Movies
1.7%HDR Movies
1.5%Color dE
Using my chosen values, the U8H is 8.6 and the QM8 is 8.7.
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Based on your numbers you would be hard pressed to justify the extra few hundred of the TCL
Mine would probably work out about the same...though I would put movies as a higher percentage and remove the contrast portion where no local dimming is enabled.
Not sure why if you had local dimming why it would not always be enabled.
So this one has a true 10-bit panel. The 8K has the eight. This one has more Dimming zones. The 8k-75-in may not have a VA panel if that matters.
The deal breaker I've seen for a lot of people is the Black crush happening with the QM8. There are videos of people showing off star wars episode 1 and the first scene that has stars littered in the background is crushed to nothing on this TV.
I was seriously ready to pull the trigger on the 75 in until I've seen that feedback coming through. I suppose it's possible they can keep working on their dimming algorithm. it started off really rough where the brightness of scenes would change mid scene. they fixed that on the most recent firmware update. I guess people are just discovering how bad the Black crush is depending on the scenes.
Last edited by blueaurora July 31, 2023 at 11:58 AM.
You can create your own ratings on Rtings. You can adjust all your preferences and get a new rating for all tvs. https://www.rtings.com/user/ratin...SJUebYgNaw click on "Edit Rating" to change the values.
For example, I have mine set at:
28.9%Picture Quality
13.3%TV Shows
8.5%SDR Brightness
8.4%Real Scene Peak Brightness
7.0%Color Volume
5.6%Local Dimming
5.4%Contrast
5.4%Contrast with local dimming
4.3%HDR Brightness
4.2%Motion
4.1%Sports
1.7%Movies
1.7%HDR Movies
1.5%Color dE
Using my chosen values, the U8H is 8.6 and the QM8 is 8.7.
Thank you for demonstrating this. Out of curiosity what other reputable review sites are there? Asking for a friend
So this one has a true 10-bit panel. The 8K has the eight. This one has more Dimming zones. The 8k-75-in may not have a VA panel if that matters.
The deal breaker I've seen for a lot of people is the Black crush happening with the QM8. There are videos of people showing off star wars episode 1 and the first scene that has stars littered in the background is crushed to nothing on this TV.
I was seriously ready to pull the trigger on the 75 in until I've seen that feedback coming through. I suppose it's possible they can keep working on their dimming algorithm. it started off really rough where the brightness of scenes would change mid scene. they fixed that on the most recent firmware update. I guess people are just discovering how bad the Black crush is depending on the scenes.
I have the 75 and played that scene during the day, stars appeared fine. This was through an Apple TV if that matters?
I have the 75 and played that scene during the day, stars appeared fine. This was through an Apple TV if that matters?
From rtings user:
Any word from TCL about the EOTF? Im seriously considering returning this TV the lack of picture settings, and no brightness slider in DV is a blow. The TV is under tracking HARD in lower brightness content. Disney+ phantom menace the opening scene after the crawl text, when the ship appears the stars are literally non existent. Usually the black crush is horrible in a bright room but even in a dark room with this movie particularly its bad. I watched the same scene on my iphone and the difference is 10000x night and day.
Is there any word from TCL about the EOTF? @Rtings
AVSforum qm8 owners thread theres many others with the same issues.
Anyone considering anything in this price range should automatically be considering LG OLED's. I would pass on this.
Disagree, MLED and OLED can be two very different buyers. OLED has the best contrast in dark rooms but MLED has the best contrast in light rooms. OLED also has burn-in risk which may come into consideration depending on use case.
I am torn between this tv, S90C or U8K. That is with the assumption the S90C hits around the 2k price point for the 77". Replacing a KS8000 that has around 19000 hours on it. Still running but want a bigger size and better HDR etc.
Disagree, MLED and OLED can be two very different buyers. OLED has the best contrast in dark rooms but MLED has the best contrast in light rooms. OLED also has burn-in risk which may come into consideration depending on use case.
I agree with you somewhat...except I think its more complicated than that.
Viewing angles, panel uniformity, blooming
However...I dont understand the value of this TV when people are buying Samsung QN90B's for the same price
I can see the Hisense U8H at $799....but not sire $1199 makes sense for this TV
https://www.youtube.com/@hdtvtest If you want to REALLY go down the rabbit hole of technical tv reviews. For 90% of consumers, I would stick to the first two.
I am torn between this tv, S90C or U8K. That is with the assumption the S90C hits around the 2k price point for the 77". Replacing a KS8000 that has around 19000 hours on it. Still running but want a bigger size and better HDR etc.
I doubt the S90C 77" will ever get to $2k or anywhere close to it. The S95B is a year old but the 65" is still $1600.
When inventory of older tvs gets to a certain level, it doesn't make sense to drop the price. They just sell what they have left for as much as they can. That's unless there's a huge stockpile of unsold units. That's not the case with the S95B (not that many were made) and will likely be the same with the S90C.
I doubt the S90C 77" will ever get to $2k or anywhere close to it. The S95B is a year old but the 65" is still $1600.
When inventory of older tvs gets to a certain level, it doesn't make sense to drop the price. They just sell what they have left for as much as they can. That's unless there's a huge stockpile of unsold units. That's not the case with the S95B (not that many were made) and will likely be the same with the S90C.
The S95B was as cheap as 1200 recently. I bet it gets close.
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For example, I have mine set at:
28.9%Picture Quality
13.3%TV Shows
8.5%SDR Brightness
8.4%Real Scene Peak Brightness
7.0%Color Volume
5.6%Local Dimming
5.4%Contrast
5.4%Contrast with local dimming
4.3%HDR Brightness
4.2%Motion
4.1%Sports
1.7%Movies
1.7%HDR Movies
1.5%Color dE
Using my chosen values, the U8H is 8.6 and the QM8 is 8.7.
Based on your numbers you would be hard pressed to justify the extra few hundred of the TCL
Mine would probably work out about the same...though I would put movies as a higher percentage and remove the contrast portion where no local dimming is enabled.
Not sure why if you had local dimming why it would not always be enabled.
The deal breaker I've seen for a lot of people is the Black crush happening with the QM8. There are videos of people showing off star wars episode 1 and the first scene that has stars littered in the background is crushed to nothing on this TV.
I was seriously ready to pull the trigger on the 75 in until I've seen that feedback coming through. I suppose it's possible they can keep working on their dimming algorithm. it started off really rough where the brightness of scenes would change mid scene. they fixed that on the most recent firmware update. I guess people are just discovering how bad the Black crush is depending on the scenes.
For example, I have mine set at:
28.9%Picture Quality
13.3%TV Shows
8.5%SDR Brightness
8.4%Real Scene Peak Brightness
7.0%Color Volume
5.6%Local Dimming
5.4%Contrast
5.4%Contrast with local dimming
4.3%HDR Brightness
4.2%Motion
4.1%Sports
1.7%Movies
1.7%HDR Movies
1.5%Color dE
Using my chosen values, the U8H is 8.6 and the QM8 is 8.7.
The deal breaker I've seen for a lot of people is the Black crush happening with the QM8. There are videos of people showing off star wars episode 1 and the first scene that has stars littered in the background is crushed to nothing on this TV.
I was seriously ready to pull the trigger on the 75 in until I've seen that feedback coming through. I suppose it's possible they can keep working on their dimming algorithm. it started off really rough where the brightness of scenes would change mid scene. they fixed that on the most recent firmware update. I guess people are just discovering how bad the Black crush is depending on the scenes.
Any word from TCL about the EOTF? Im seriously considering returning this TV the lack of picture settings, and no brightness slider in DV is a blow. The TV is under tracking HARD in lower brightness content. Disney+ phantom menace the opening scene after the crawl text, when the ship appears the stars are literally non existent. Usually the black crush is horrible in a bright room but even in a dark room with this movie particularly its bad. I watched the same scene on my iphone and the difference is 10000x night and day.
Is there any word from TCL about the EOTF? @Rtings
AVSforum qm8 owners thread theres many others with the same issues.
Black crush example
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kll2k..
they are returning theirs and getting the u8k
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Viewing angles, panel uniformity, blooming
However...I dont understand the value of this TV when people are buying Samsung QN90B's for the same price
I can see the Hisense U8H at $799....but not sire $1199 makes sense for this TV
https://www.youtube.com/@stopthefomo Along with Digital Trends, my favorite YouTube tv review site.
https://www.youtube.com/@hdtvtest If you want to REALLY go down the rabbit hole of technical tv reviews. For 90% of consumers, I would stick to the first two.
When inventory of older tvs gets to a certain level, it doesn't make sense to drop the price. They just sell what they have left for as much as they can. That's unless there's a huge stockpile of unsold units. That's not the case with the S95B (not that many were made) and will likely be the same with the S90C.
Viewing angles, panel uniformity, blooming
However...I dont understand the value of this TV when people are buying Samsung QN90B's for the same price
I can see the Hisense U8H at $799....but not sire $1199 makes sense for this TV
When inventory of older tvs gets to a certain level, it doesn't make sense to drop the price. They just sell what they have left for as much as they can. That's unless there's a huge stockpile of unsold units. That's not the case with the S95B (not that many were made) and will likely be the same with the S90C.
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