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expiredphoinix | Staff posted Aug 02, 2023 04:39 PM
ASUS RT-AXE7800 Tri-Band WiFi 6E 6GHz Extendable Router w/ 2.5G Port
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Yes it is a huge jump from wifi 6 and 6E but its not worth the wait for people who are on a budge but still want the best possible.
I had the same issue with being on a 1Gbps plan. They did a free "upgrade" to 1.2Gbps and stopped provisioning my modem correctly. No amount of tech support could figure it out and they wouldn't admit they screwed up.
My speeds shot down to 400Mbps max, so I cancelled and got fiber rather than continue going in circles with them.
You need to call them up, have them check the provisioning, and confirm that the 8210 is still on the "supported" list for the plan you have.
Do a speed test (do NOT use their test or speedtest.net, as they have rigged those with prioritization tricks) by downloading a large file or using speedof.me (they aren't able to rig this one).
If your speeds are still terrible with the tech on the phone and they claim your signal is fine, have them send someone out to check the performance at the tap. Keep in mind the hardware they give the field guys is also somewhat rigged as it can do a lot of things your modem can't and isn't provisioned for any certain speed. It's going to give back maximum potential readings and most of the field guys will just slap the side of it and call it a day while looking cocky.
If your line to the premises is fine, you're back at square one with the modem, but now you have them doing a bunch of finger pointing at the modem being defective.
At this point, you can either try a different modem that they certify is "supported" or force them to downgrade your plan. If you play it right, you might get them to credit you for the difference on the months you've already paid for.
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This is a good router, both standalone and doubled up for a mesh network with dedicated wireless backhaul. For a lot of people, this router is still overkill though. Especially if you can do wired backhaul or don't have a huge place. As a few mentioned, the 2.4ghz performance is just so-so. If you have a lot of 2.4ghz devices on your network, there are better options for sure. Check your network, you'll be surprised how many 2.4ghz items a lot of us still are running. A ton of the security cams, pet feeders, temp/humidity sensors, doorbells, etc - still loving that 2.4 band.
Dongknows is a good place to see test benchmarks and also better understand if you actually need something like this for your network.
Also, wifi7 schmifi7. It's going to be a while til any of us need or can actually use that fully. Pricing is $1,000+ for right now on the few units that we know of so far.
I currently have a RT-AC88U as my main with a RT-68U node. I was going to replace the 88U with the new RT-AX86U Pro as the main router and put the 88U in the middle of the house to fill out the mesh.
Would the AXE7800 be a better replacement to hold me over a year or two until Wi-Fi 7 is more mainstream?
I would also like to know if this extra $30 is worth it. Even my old RT-AC3200 had Triband, and the AX86U Pro does not, but apparently is one of the top routers. I'm very limited in my networking knowledge, so I don't know which one I should keep.
The AX86U Pro lots of reviews for that line saying they are very good.
The AXE7800 gets says its good but dinged for price. But within $30, I see this as a moot point. Can any network persons guide me on this?
Thank You
I had the same issue with being on a 1Gbps plan. They did a free "upgrade" to 1.2Gbps and stopped provisioning my modem correctly. No amount of tech support could figure it out and they wouldn't admit they screwed up.
My speeds shot down to 400Mbps max, so I cancelled and got fiber rather than continue going in circles with them.
You need to call them up, have them check the provisioning, and confirm that the 8210 is still on the "supported" list for the plan you have.
Do a speed test (do NOT use their test or speedtest.net, as they have rigged those with prioritization tricks) by downloading a large file or using speedof.me (they aren't able to rig this one).
If your speeds are still terrible with the tech on the phone and they claim your signal is fine, have them send someone out to check the performance at the tap. Keep in mind the hardware they give the field guys is also somewhat rigged as it can do a lot of things your modem can't and isn't provisioned for any certain speed. It's going to give back maximum potential readings and most of the field guys will just slap the side of it and call it a day while looking cocky.
If your line to the premises is fine, you're back at square one with the modem, but now you have them doing a bunch of finger pointing at the modem being defective.
At this point, you can either try a different modem that they certify is "supported" or force them to downgrade your plan. If you play it right, you might get them to credit you for the difference on the months you've already paid for.
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Are you familiar with how antennas work?
Most WiFi routers come with omnidirectional antennas. Their biggest coverage area is always perpendicular to the direction they're pointed with some signal straying off at angles that usually radiate upward (as most antennas are pointed upward).
If you want a better signal downstairs without spending a dime, your antennas should be pointing down.
Setting up two of these on a mesh network is probably overkill. Luckily, all of the AiMesh capable Asus routers are compatible with each other. You can find most of them for under $200, with some as low as $50.
I would also like to know if this extra $30 is worth it. Even my old RT-AC3200 had Triband, and the AX86U Pro does not, but apparently is one of the top routers. I'm very limited in my networking knowledge, so I don't know which one I should keep.
The AX86U Pro lots of reviews for that line saying they are very good.
The AXE7800 gets says its good but dinged for price. But within $30, I see this as a moot point. Can any network persons guide me on this?
Thank You
One important thing to note about tri band or even dual band is that you're not going to get whatever the total advertised throughput is for 99.9% of your devices.
There are some network cards that can connect to multiple bands and aggregate them, but for most mobile and smart devices, you're only going to be sitting on one band and the maximum throughput for that particular band is the maximum your device can get.
What this does accomplish, however, is that it creates different "lanes" for the traffic from your various devices to run on without bogging each other down.
If you have multiple high throughput devices and no way of connecting them via Ethernet, a multi-band router is going to get you as close as possible to multi-gig speeds on multiple devices without any fancy traffic shaping or needing to watch what you're doing so that it doesn't inconvenience others.
The other benefit to this is that if you have a lot of smart devices, they can all sit on the 2.4Ghz band and not tie up any portion of your 5Ghz/6Ghz bands.
The AX86U is probably suitable for a majority of folks out there. And the fact that it supports the customized Asus Merlin firmware earns it some extra points.
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One important thing to note about tri band or even dual band is that you're not going to get whatever the total advertised throughput is for 99.9% of your devices.
There are some network cards that can connect to multiple bands and aggregate them, but for most mobile and smart devices, you're only going to be sitting on one band and the maximum throughput for that particular band is the maximum your device can get.
What this does accomplish, however, is that it creates different "lanes" for the traffic from your various devices to run on without bogging each other down.
If you have multiple high throughput devices and no way of connecting them via Ethernet, a multi-band router is going to get you as close as possible to multi-gig speeds on multiple devices without any fancy traffic shaping or needing to watch what you're doing so that it doesn't inconvenience others.
The other benefit to this is that if you have a lot of smart devices, they can all sit on the 2.4Ghz band and not tie up any portion of your 5Ghz/6Ghz bands.
The AX86U is probably suitable for a majority of folks out there. And the fact that it supports the customized Asus Merlin firmware earns it some extra points.
I actually only have my Solar Panels, Smart Lock, and Security Cameras, and Robot Vaccum connected to the 2.4 band, the main NVR Security camera is the only thing connected via ethernet.
Everything else was either on the 5Ghz or 5Ghz-2 band (on old RT-AC3200), I would say there would be a maximum total 20-30 devices, but not all connected at the same time. This household uses phones, tablets, streaming, video games, etc..The house is smaller though at around 2300 Sq ft.
Thank you for your help and knowledge
Are you familiar with how antennas work?
Most WiFi routers come with omnidirectional antennas. Their biggest coverage area is always perpendicular to the direction they're pointed with some signal straying off at angles that usually radiate upward (as most antennas are pointed upward).
If you want a better signal downstairs without spending a dime, your antennas should be pointing down.
Setting up two of these on a mesh network is probably overkill. Luckily, all of the AiMesh capable Asus routers are compatible with each other. You can find most of them for under $200, with some as low as $50.
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Is there a way we can get beyond physics? I dont like the higher the freq, the shorter the range!
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