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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
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$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
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It could be Tesla put the most conservative #s possible up on the newer page because say some guy in Alaska complained the old Model X he was charging outside on a 5-20 wasn't getting 6mph added in 40 below weather or something and the other page was never updated
But you can do your own math to see the higher # is correct-
120v at 16 amps (which is what a 5-20 supplies) tells you the higher # is correct.
And every real life person I can find on reddit or the Tesla forums shows getting 6 or better mph added on a 5-20 with the Gen2 (multiple citations previously provided)
My model Y performance can beat a c7 corvette 0-60 one day, and then the next day tow a uhaul trailer, carry my toddler, and wife on a road trip, or just drive itself. It's great for camping with camp mode. It's like a mini camper. I've got a fridge/freezer under the rear trunk floor powered all the time. There's just so many things that make it better for me and my family. I can power my Y with many different fuels since its electric and not just limited to gas in a crisis. I have a dual fuel generator to power my house and tornado shelter. Some people don't like change and I get that, but we live in some exciting times. ICE cars will never die because they have a place. That's not a bad thing. EV's are more convenient for a lot of people and the market share will continue to grow and grow.
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And a vast majority of Americans, since they live in places they can charge at home, will find EVs are good for them.
Glad you finally stuck to something I said at least.
I did.
Several times.
Your unwillingness to read or understand is not my fault.
And....now back to putting words in my mouth other than the ones that actually came out of em.
(Also surely you're not conflating single family household- which is one related family living together in the same dwelling regardless of it's standalone or not- with a detached single family HOUSE where it does NOT require a related family to be living together there, right?)
A single family household living in a multi-unit dwelling, like a 5th floor NYC walkup, with no assigned parking of any kind, would NOT find an EV convenient of beneficial presently.
But the majority of Americans would because they live in detached single family housing plus some attached single family housing that has a place to charge, but some mobile homes that do, plus some apartments that offer garages and dedicated spots where you can have a charger. Added up that's MOST americans with a way to charge at home, despite there being a minority of Americans who can not-- including those 5th floor walkup folks.
Your inability to tell the difference seems a You problem.
And....another strawman.
Please quote where I ever said a thing about "recuperating the cost"
(or what I would've even been comparing that cost to)
I said a majority could chare at home
That's it.
You then keep making up things I never said and being mad about them.
I have. Many things.
You've somehow misunderstood or misquoted every one though.
No pretend required
Again you insist I explain something to you I never claimed.
In fact, the same thing I pointed out I never claimed the last 3 times you did it.
I even challenged you to quote me saying what you insist I did- you can't, because I didn't.
Ah-- so when you lied that I said "charging 8 hours a day" you actually meant the opposite of that
That I instead pointed out people charge at home are there more than 8 hours a day
The "only 8 hours' nonsense was your invention.
See what we learn when we look at my actual words?
Right.
My actual words were MORE THAN 8 HOURS.
And your counter argument was "You can't do that in only 8 hours"
Read that back a few times and realize that's the argument you've been making your last 10 posts or so.
I grew up on Long Island. You are 1000% wrong.
I took the train to/from NYC all the time. VASTLY better than driving. Much cheaper too.
Except, I'm not, because I specifically mentioned road trips.
Where you don't take your home with you- so home charging rates don't matter.
You're complaining that I'm not talking about the majority of americans, and the support for your argument is "people who travel between their various houses"
Again- re-read your own argument until you realize how nonsensical it is.
That'd be the most americans who only drive an average of 37 miles a day.
Which they can easily put back on a Tesla in the more than 8 hours they are home, even on a 120v circuit. ESPECIALLY if they have a 5-20 plug.
Yeah ME AND MY FACTS.
LOL.
The original discussion mentioned detached single family homes with and without garages, and duplexes and townhouse that often have garages.
You then claimed you had a garage.
You don't though.
You have a parking spot in someone elses "parking garage"
I'm telling you, the days of me not taking you seriously are definitely coming to a middle.
Lemme ask you something- how do you not know that's an irrelevant question in a Tesla?
You can park it with the doors closed, and the driver not in the car so they don't need to open when it's finished parking. Then have it pull out again without the driver so again the side clearance is irrelevant
Once again you remove any chance anyone believed your claims you've researched Teslas or seriously considering buying you if you didn't know it could do that.
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Or I actually know how summon works and why your question is hilariously ignorant
Yes.
Well, I suppose it'd need to be like a fraction of an inch wider than the car or something. If it was EXACT you'd scrape the walls as your car, without you in it, pulled into the spot for you.
That's a parking lot that is underground. I guess you can call it a parking garage- but it's not remotely the type of garage anybody ELSE was talking about in a discussion of home charging.
Your SPOT does, or the underground parking lot does?
Yes. Because you can park a Tesla without needing to open the doors once its parked.
Like you've been told in previous posts- and like you should have already known if you actually had been researching owning one instead of just trolling a thread about one.
The fact you've spent like 10 posts responding but still don't know what I actually say is pretty telling... do you OFTEN keep replying while having no idea what you replied to?
And once again, you bring nothing but ignorance and personal insults to the discussion.
Except there is no "your 8 hours"
In fact you specifically quoted me NOT claiming that.
Bizarre you try and strawman again right after admitting that's not what I actually said.
And of course with a 5-20 you can do it in about 6 hours, but that's beside the point.
Which is less time than the average American spends at home each day.
Thus making home charging easy for them.
Which is [B]the entire point I was making['/B] and you keep inventing new things nobody said to instead argue about.
Again, your home does not fit in a Tesla, unless you live in a tent.
Do you live in a tent?
If not why keep bringing up the speed of home charging when travelling to places NOT YOUR HOME?
I did.
And saw you quote what I said, then turn around and claim I said something other than what you quoted
It was SUPER funny
No I did not.
I said PART of that- then as usual you added some more words I didn't say.
Again not only did I not say that you just quoted me saying something different
An NYC walkup owner would have no problems installing a charger? You sure about that? Shows you probably never lived in one. Where it feels like, in much of the northeast, that you can't open a door without getting a code violation, aside from the aforementioned space constraints, you're going run a line, install a meter and potentially add a panel through the concrete yourself? Hilarious. And that's assuming you get approval from the co-op board, some of whom might determine it "unsightly" or "Joe Bob has a VW ID4," it's not consistent, or they want it exactly X feet off the wall from spact ABC. That little tidit of installation cost will eat away any economic benefit you have for owning an EV. Oh and you can't take it away if you decide to sell down the road.
No, what happens in reality, as opposed to your bubble, is that if the board decide to bother with it, they'll install chargers on spot 123 through 133 for example. So you have about 10 spots. And if you decide to charge there they'll charge you $0.37 per KWh where you might as well supercharger, ergo, gasp, EATING AWAY ALL YOUR ECONOMIC BENEFITS.
I can't help but notice you have this tendency to dodge questions when it obviously isn't going your way. I asked you a simple one. In a country of 2 people living in a two floor condo, what's the percentage of single-family detached? Still waiting for an answer.
Because you see, there is a housing supply of almost 150MM housing units. Only about 82MM are single-family detached. And out of those 82MM, actually no, not all of them are owner-occupied. It's quite amusing to me at this point that despite my repeated goading to do some basic thinking, you haven't grasped that simple concept.
So unlike your claim of "vast majority" of Americans, which I find hilarious, the majority of Americans actually CAN'T depend on the reliability of 120V no fast charging because they drive more than that, and also can't feasibly install a fast charger. The NYC walkup issues mentioned above also would apply to condos and co-ops. And since you love wasting everyone's time with "parking lots vs. garages," it wouldn't be feasible for those that have a parking lot either. Furthermore, even those that live in single-family detached but rent would also contend with the landlord willing to put up the cost. And if the tenant decides to eat the cost, he wouldn't receive the tax credits from the capital improvement. So no, your claims of "vast majority" is quite farcicle and you've done nothing to defend that point. But that's a bridge too far for you at present. Let's start by having understand the basic concepts of single-family detached vs. home occupancy rate first.
*Chuckle. Your "more than 8 hours a day" is similar to "up to 330 miles of range." Fully intended to show the best case scenario with an attractive number but claim "well, I never said..." Please. I know how the game is played. What you for example didn't say is, 12 hours 20 minutes a day. Because had you said that, wouldn't sound as good now would it?
But that's besides the point. Your claim was 120V 3 miles per hour is good enough for the "vast majority" of Americans when they drive on average 37 miles a day. You're staying that the vast majority of Americans are reliably home 12 hours and 20 minutes a day, that they never forget to charge, that they don't have variation in their driving, that they don't visit others where they can't plug in. You really should look into what the words "vast majority" actually mean.
I took a train to/from NYC. It is cheaper FOR ME, MYSELF. It is NOT cheaper if I got the missus and the kids. The reason I have a car, in NYC, is because there is more than ME, MYSELF. And the fact that the average American household ISN'T single member households demonstrate that the "vast majority" of Americans would benefit from have a car.
Not to mention I and other don't actually just need to get to and from NYC. I also visit other cities as well. There's also the tidbit for example, if I want to visit from suburb of New York Metro to another, I DON'T have a reliable train option. I likely will have to transit by train, to NYC, then get on another train to another part. That's neither cheaper nor better than driving.
Nonseniscal? People don't all go to cottage, for sure. They all, however, visit family and friends away. They all go to the beach, amusement parks, malls, etc. In case you haven't notice, a Tesla is called a CAR, not public transportation. It's not meant to only take you to and from two points in a map.
The parking spot sizing I find humorous. So on one hand you acknowledge that you'd need a "fraction of an inch" or you'd scrape the wall, then and yet you still claim that your parking spot can be EXACTLY the same size as your car. Which one is it? Do you need that space or not?
And you don't need clearance? Hilarious. Walk me through it here. You live in an NYC co-cop. You come back from work, you pull into your spot that's EXACTLY the size of your car, plus a "fraction of an inch" so you don't scrape the wall. I don't know about you, but I might want to do that thing called, oh I don't know, going up to my place. So you're sitting in your car with no clearance. Kindly show me how you get out of your car. Maybe you transcend through physical objects? But then again, you're a Tesla cultist, where you probably drive Teslas and do nothing else, to which yes I agree, fraction of an inch on either side is enough to just pull in and pull out. But I don't know, I think the "vast majority" of Americans would disagree with you.
Um, actually no, 12 hours and 20 minutes is NOT more than what the average American spend at home each day. That's another one of your made up stats. Or at least you did noting to back it up. Perhaps you mean that's true for you. Back it up or shut up.
I keep bringing up speed of charging at home because it needs to be fast and reliable to be economical. But since the space in your cranium is for rent, understandable that you don't grasp that.
You said and I quote "The other 99% of the year I charge at home. Which is vastly more convient and cheaper than suckers in gas cars constantly stopping at gas stations wasting their time pumping gas."
You also said and I quote "That's the vast majority of the US though."
You also said and I quote again "Most can charge at home for nearly all their miles- which is superior in time, cost, and convince to gas stations.
I agree there's a MINORITY that's not true for today, but for most they can."
Heck, you even capitalized the minority part for me. So ergo, I responded with whether it is cheaper, more convenient, more timely for the vast majority of Americans. What a concept.
Help me out here, where's the part where I "added some more words" you didn't say. You know what I think is going on here. You're so full of the brown stuff you can't even keep your own story straight. But that's hardly surprising now is it?
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