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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver on sale for
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Key Features:- Dirac Live Room Correction
- HDMI 2.1
- Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
- 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
- 120-watts/per channel
- Imax Enhanced
- Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
- Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:- Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
- RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
- Speaker Setup Microphone
- DAB/FM Antenna
- Indoor FM Antenna
- AM Loop Antenna
- Power Cord
- User Manual
- Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty
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Pioneer 505 - $749
Dirac full bandwidth is included - $0
Dirac microphone is included - $0
Total - $749
Denon 3800 - $1000
Dirac full bandwidth is $349
Dirac microphone is $100
Total - $1449
So the price difference is $700, not $500. Options almost double the Denon price when making an equal comparison.
Differences are power rating 120w for Pioneer vs 105w for Denon. Sometime in 2024 Denon will add a Dirac bass control module (Not available on the Pioneer but adds another $499 for multi sub version). Or you may choose another type of sub EQ if you desire and not use this module at all.
Bang for the buck, you will have a hard time finding better performance than this Pioneer for the same money.
Running a rp-504c, rp-8000f ii, and various in ceiling speakers. 5.2.2 setup.
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Thats the disappointment people have based on that measurement/thread.
It's starts sooner than desired and mainly triggered by the power draw from the internal amps which don't turn off.
Clearly you are not getting 120 watts per channel.
So whatever point it is the external amps are restricted by it.
Of course there are many variables like channels driven, speakers, volume, etc.
but any power beyond that kinda gets wasted.
Thats the disappointment people have based on that measurement/thread.
It's starts sooner than desired and mainly triggered by the power draw from the internal amps which don't turn off.
Clearly you are not getting 120 watts per channel.
So whatever point it is the external amps are restricted by it.
Of course there are many variables like channels driven, speakers, volume, etc.
but any power beyond that kinda gets wasted.
1) Budget
2) Features you're looking for
3) Does it sound good to you. Not the forum members, not the reviewers, not the sales person, you
Also in regards to this amp, for the last 25+ years I've been doing home theater, I've only used one crossover across all my speakers. Never been an issue since most receivers will run the fronts full range when you want to listen to music or play in stereo sound. And running everything at 70Hz gives a fairly full sound to all speakers. Speaker placement and making sure they're all timber matched (same series of speakers) is more important.
Not having pre-outs is not an issue since 0.001% of the people in this hobby use external amps. And even then, I feel external amps are not necessary ONLY because you're already cutting off frequencies below the crossover setting so you don't need all that power to drive the speakers.
I have 11 channel theater setups and never felt I needed external amps even with front towers. The cross over removes a lot of the heavy lifting an amp would have to do.
Get the 505, it's an awesome deal. I ordered one. Will return the Sony to BHPhotovideo as I would rather have $400 more in my pocket. Oh and the forums are littered with complaints about the Sony AZ series, so that removed all confidence in them.
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What bothered me more was global crossover, mono sub outs,non assignable 10th/11th channels and most importantly no DLBC!
1) Budget
2) Features you're looking for
3) Does it sound good to you. Not the forum members, not the reviewers, not the sales person, you
Also in regards to this amp, for the last 25+ years I've been doing home theater, I've only used one crossover across all my speakers. Never been an issue since most receivers will run the fronts full range when you want to listen to music or play in stereo sound. And running everything at 70Hz gives a fairly full sound to all speakers. Speaker placement and making sure they're all timber matched (same series of speakers) is more important.
Not having pre-outs is not an issue since 0.001% of the people in this hobby use external amps. And even then, I feel external amps are not necessary ONLY because you're already cutting off frequencies below the crossover setting so you don't need all that power to drive the speakers.
I have 11 channel theater setups and never felt I needed external amps even with front towers. The cross over removes a lot of the heavy lifting an amp would have to do.
Get the 505, it's an awesome deal. I ordered one. Will return the Sony to BHPhotovideo as I would rather have $400 more in my pocket. Oh and the forums are littered with complaints about the Sony AZ series, so that removed all confidence in them.
I agree you ultimately have to listen and be the judge.
You saying "Get the 505, it's an awesome deal" kinda defeats that opinion.
Problem with global crossovers it ties your hands to how the lifting happens.
Even timbre matched speaker all handle bass differently.
Many times people mix and match speakers which makes it even more beneficial to have independent crossovers.
I would argue having the flexibility of setting crossovers based on each speaker's capabilities makes your receiver run more efficient and your whole system sound better.
If you run the 505 to process 11 channels you are going to have to get an external amp and required to use it for 10 & 11th channels, they are not assignable.
If I'm gonna be required to use an external amp I'd rather add it to my fronts and let the less powerful internal amp power 10 & 11, I believe most people would also.
Mono sub outs isn't ideal with this either, makes integrating all that bass even more complicated.
I agree you ultimately have to listen and be the judge.
You saying "Get the 505, it's an awesome deal" kinda defeats that opinion.
Problem with global crossovers it ties your hands to how the lifting happens.
Even timbre matched speaker all handle bass differently.
Many times people mix and match speakers which makes it even more beneficial to have independent crossovers.
I would argue having the flexibility of setting crossovers based on each speaker's capabilities makes your receiver run more efficient and your whole system sound better.
If you run the 505 to process 11 channels you are going to have to get an external amp and required to use it for 10 & 11th channels, they are not assignable.
If I'm gonna be required to use an external amp I'd rather add it to my fronts and let the less powerful internal amp power 10 & 11, I believe most people would also.
Mono sub outs isn't ideal with this either, makes integrating all that bass even more complicated.
Having one crossover is fine. I've run various home theater setups using one crossover and never was an issue. In fact most reviews and journals state to set them to 80Hz any way for surround sound. And let the receiver calibrate from there onwards.
If you do plan to run 11 channels (which not many do) then you will need an external amp with any 9.2 receiver (that can do 11 channels with an external amp).
I find a 9.2 is ideal in a small/medium size room. 4 overheads make more sense if the room is large and you have a decent amount of separation between your rears and ceiling rear. My theater is 18x20 and I am running 4 ceiling speakers there, my game room is 10x12 so I only run 2 ceiling speakers there.
I use Audyssey at the moment with my 3400 and while it works, it leaves something to be desired. I haven't shelled out for the desktop software, so there's likely more I could be doing there. Dirac looks compelling and is part of the reason I went with the 4800, but I didn't realize until yesterday that I'd have to give up Dynamic EQ.
I hadn't heard of this Pioneer unit before. I'm considering returning the 4800, eating the return shipment, and buying this instead. I'm not in "money is no object" territory, but I wouldn't have bought the 4800 if it wasn't something I could afford. That said, saving $550 on the AVR and not having to pay for Dirac is attractive.
Ultimately, I want something that will have good positional audio with clear dialog for movies and gaming and can serve as hub for all my various inputs. I have a turntable I'd like to hook up and I'd consider myself a music enthusiast, but I'm not an audiophile.
I want something with good build quality that won't crap out on me in a few years and I don't mind paying for quality. Resale value is a minor consideration. Setting price aside would this Pioneer be a good option for what I'm after? Or should I just stick with the 4800?
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Having one crossover is fine. I've run various home theater setups using one crossover and never was an issue. In fact most reviews and journals state to set them to 80Hz any way for surround sound. And let the receiver calibrate from there onwards.
If you do plan to run 11 channels (which not many do) then you will need an external amp with any 9.2 receiver (that can do 11 channels with an external amp).
I find a 9.2 is ideal in a small/medium size room. 4 overheads make more sense if the room is large and you have a decent amount of separation between your rears and ceiling rear. My theater is 18x20 and I am running 4 ceiling speakers there, my game room is 10x12 so I only run 2 ceiling speakers there.
I'm more pointing out common differences and what they do.
This is important because you said "Get the 505, it's an awesome deal".
I brought up running 11 channels on the 505 because you said "I have 11 channel theater setups"
Again funny how you pick and choose what reviews to listen to or not.
I agree and as you put it "Does it sound good to you. Not the forum members, not the reviewers, not the sales person, you".
For the record, for me that's #1.
FYI not to be picky but it's not 9.2 should be 5.2.4 based on your description, there is a difference.
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