UserBenchmark is an instant red flag. They are incredibly biased towards Intel and therefor make sure that AMD CPUs score less than Intel. Use a site like NanoReview or something else to view actual benchmarks. Here's a link: https://nanoreview.net/en/cpu-com...en-5-3600x
I remember about two years ago when 5950's were going for $1000 and retailers were selling out. It's crazy how much they've come down in price. Seems like a steal for a 16C/32T ryzen.
My current cpu and I love it but I'm upgrading next zen iteration. Should be a substantial jump for anyone running a zen 1/2 or 8/9th gen Intel. I'll only advise upgrading to this though if you already have an am4 system and could use the 16 cores. If not go zen 4 or wait for zen 5.
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What you stated, now time to think
AMD 5950x to 7700X = 1 generation difference
Intel 6950x to 7700X = 7 generation difference
1 generational leap in IPC performance is not going to make up for 8 additional cores. I know you know that, so why are you being difficult for the sake of being difficult?
AMD 5950x to 7700X = 1 generation difference
Intel 6950x to 7700X = 7 generation difference
1 generational leap in IPC performance is not going to make up for 8 additional cores. I know you know that, so why are you being difficult for the sake of being difficult?
The point was obvious..that core count doesn't equal anything.
A "generation difference" is an arbitrary number with performance gains that vary based on breakthroughs, research and development $$$, and current tech possibilities…it's bs.
Amds zen 5 architecture is said to be 30% faster, a large leap.
Intels 3770k (gen 3) to gen 9 (9900k) was around a 30% single core difference..
The point was obvious..that core count doesn't equal anything.
A "generation difference" is an arbitrary number with performance gains that vary based on breakthroughs
I work for a major chip manufacture... You have no idea what you're talking about.
It 100% is not a arbitrary number. CPU roadmaps are defined years in advance. I dont even know what you're trying to say let alone prove. Performance will vary somewhat, but it does follow a predictable pattern.
Of course, there are variables that may delay launches and that lies mostly with fabricators like TSMC. So if TSMC has trouble suppling 5nm, 3nm wafers, that could jeopardize their roadmaps. AMD is fabless and can focus on chip design and let TSMC do the actual fabrications.
Originally you claimed the 5950X is faster than the 7700X in non-gaming applications. This is factually true, but is also like saying 1+1 = 2. Many applications take advantage of more processes/cores so naturally the 5950X is faster because very rarely do a single leap in generation exceed 10-15% gains.
I work for a major chip manufacture... You have no idea what you're talking about.
It 100% is not a arbitrary number. CPU roadmaps are defined years in advance. I dont even know what you're trying to say let alone prove. Performance will vary somewhat, but it does follow a predictable pattern.
Of course, there are variables that may delay launches and that lies mostly with fabricators like TSMC. So if TSMC has trouble suppling 5nm, 3nm wafers, that could jeopardize their roadmaps. AMD is fabless and can focus on chip design and let TSMC do the actual fabrications.
Originally you claimed the 5950X is faster than the 7700X in non-gaming applications. This is factually true, but is also like saying 1+1 = 2. Many applications take advantage of more processes/cores so naturally the 5950X is faster because very rarely do a single leap in generation exceed 10-15% gains.
The math is painfully obvious.
You tried but stated only nonsense.
A simple example was provided on how "generations" are arbitrary. Meaning the difference between each generation is based on the variables already stated.
no weaseling out of this reality is gonna change your initial incorrect statement
You tried but stated only nonsense.
A simple example was provided on how "generations" are arbitrary. Meaning the difference between each generation is based on the variables already stated.
no weaseling out of this reality is gonna change your initial incorrect statement
I hope that a 5950x with 8 more cores and 16 more threads than a 7700x is going to be faster than that? How is that a "incorrect statement"? Isn't that basically what you said?
Difference is I was pointing out well yeah duh of course that's true. You're comparing a flagship CPU of a previous generation to a mid-tier CPU of a current gen. That's the equivalent of saying, "My RTX 3090 is faster than a 4060 whoaaaa.."
You have yet to point out any facts besides your own opinions, which are well opinions. You're a walking, talking breathing embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe I've made my point. I will no longer respond to your posts.
I'm trying to build my 1st gaming pc and I'm wondering if this deal is a good place to start. Can anyone give me advice on what goes good with this setup? I gotta keep it under $1000
I'm trying to build my 1st gaming pc and I'm wondering if this deal is a good place to start. Can anyone give me advice on what goes good with this setup? I gotta keep it under $1000
This 5950x if used in gaming would just be like an overclocked 5700x which is priced at about $150. 5950x is best to be used in a workstation/ home server computer. If you want to have a family photo server, your own 4K video server, if you run a lot of virtual machines, or if you use it for mining crypto, then 5950x is a great idea.
My advise is if you dont have someone in your real life to hold your hand and babysit you, dont build one on your own.
Just buy one of the brand new PCs from the SD's front page deal.
OR
Buy one of the used HP/Dell PCs and put a RTX 4060 8GB / 4060 Ti 16GB into it and call it a day.
RTX 4060 8GB/ 4060 Ti 16GB both use very little in watts. Even an used office PC can power it up without any problem.
Once you have your PC, you can take it apart and put it back and learn a thing or two about it.
And if all fails, return the PC within the typical 15 days or 30 days for a full refund.
Nope, your memory are bad, buy new memory stick.
Even at release date Nov 5, 2020 - $799.
When I got it Apr 2022 at Microcenter - $519 before coupon.
People who watch such CPU, need more cores/threads, and not for gaming purposes.
Yes. 5950x is VERY hot and NEED liquid cooling for intensive work.
I use EVGA CLC 280mm All-In-One and even at fan/pump's full speed 5950x work at 70 Celcius degree.
Yeah, it's kinda loud at full load, but what can I do if my case handle only 280mm.
Anyway, it work, 70 Celsius degree not bad.
And I have 2 140mm fans "in" with high air pressure to cool MB an GPU backplate +120mm fan "out".
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Dude, it's all depend what you need.
Ryzen 5950X main purpose NOT gaming, skip it in this case and spend money on GPU.
For WORKstation with many VM or CAD, video-editing etc - perfect.
For ALL, guys, very important:
I checked MB B550 UD AC, not so much info, but this motherboard looks not good for such powerful CPU, VRM not the best, only 5 real phases (very close to Gigabyte B550 Gaming X), I have no idea how long it'll work under full load 5950x, if it can handle at all. And definitely DO NOT OVERCLOCK!!! - risky to get fire and fried PC. Max 8 cores, I suppose. So, only if you will sell MB and can get decent TOP one with good VRM. https://docs.google.com/spreadshe...2112472504
I hope that a 5950x with 8 more cores and 16 more threads than a 7700x is going to be faster than that? How is that a "incorrect statement"? Isn't that basically what you said?
Difference is I was pointing out well yeah duh of course that's true. You're comparing a flagship CPU of a previous generation to a mid-tier CPU of a current gen. That's the equivalent of saying, "My RTX 3090 is faster than a 4060 whoaaaa.."
You have yet to point out any facts besides your own opinions, which are well opinions. You're a walking, talking breathing embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe I've made my point. I will no longer respond to your posts.
Wow... a lot of vitriol and shade being thrown up in here. Can't we all just get along, folks?
First off, please never, ever, ever use UserBenchmark! Ever! It is biased and completely flawed. If you don't believe me, google "userbenchmark banned".
Second, the 5950X is best for productivity. It works fine for gaming also, but you can get better gaming performance for less money. For gaming, get a different CPU: One of the X3D CPUs (5800X3D is king), if you're sticking with AM4; or the Ryzen 5 7600 (similar gaming performance) and above, if you're going AM5.
Check out these CPU reviews, which include the 5950X:
I'm trying to build my 1st gaming pc and I'm wondering if this deal is a good place to start. Can anyone give me advice on what goes good with this setup? I gotta keep it under $1000
Save some money and go with am5 7600 or 7600x or if you can find a deal 5600 or something on am4 though that would be a hard sell for me atm given upgradability.
It's going to be mostly about your gpu anyways unless youre some 1080p competitive gamer
I have this CPU for few years now. If you are buying CPU just for gaming then this isn't for you. In that case buy 5800x3d which is cheaper and faster.
This is for people who play games as well as do other stuff like convert videos, stream, video editing etc and multitasking. You can do those stuff while gaming.
I have crazy amount of stuff going on in background while I am gaming and this runs them all like a charm.
With PBU running on this CPU it can use a lot of power (not as much as the Intel high-core K's), and those liquid coolers will keep it well cooled, and cheaper than the high end air coolers like Noctua (though I do love those too). ARGB variations can be had for a little more if you're so inclined.
All that being said, I personally would look for a different deal with a better motherboard, or a processor by itself (was $309 recently, likely to happen again as these age) and purchase a better motherboard separately with a better VRM. This is a heavy hitting CPU, especially if you're using PBO or manual overclocking, and the included MB is more entry-level.
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What you stated, now time to think
Intel 6950x to 7700X = 7 generation difference
1 generational leap in IPC performance is not going to make up for 8 additional cores. I know you know that, so why are you being difficult for the sake of being difficult?
Intel 6950x to 7700X = 7 generation difference
1 generational leap in IPC performance is not going to make up for 8 additional cores. I know you know that, so why are you being difficult for the sake of being difficult?
A "generation difference" is an arbitrary number with performance gains that vary based on breakthroughs, research and development $$$, and current tech possibilities…it's bs.
Amds zen 5 architecture is said to be 30% faster, a large leap.
Intels 3770k (gen 3) to gen 9 (9900k) was around a 30% single core difference..
So you can exclude all those intel gens lil buddy
A "generation difference" is an arbitrary number with performance gains that vary based on breakthroughs
It 100% is not a arbitrary number. CPU roadmaps are defined years in advance. I dont even know what you're trying to say let alone prove. Performance will vary somewhat, but it does follow a predictable pattern.
Of course, there are variables that may delay launches and that lies mostly with fabricators like TSMC. So if TSMC has trouble suppling 5nm, 3nm wafers, that could jeopardize their roadmaps. AMD is fabless and can focus on chip design and let TSMC do the actual fabrications.
Originally you claimed the 5950X is faster than the 7700X in non-gaming applications. This is factually true, but is also like saying 1+1 = 2. Many applications take advantage of more processes/cores so naturally the 5950X is faster because very rarely do a single leap in generation exceed 10-15% gains.
The math is painfully obvious.
It 100% is not a arbitrary number. CPU roadmaps are defined years in advance. I dont even know what you're trying to say let alone prove. Performance will vary somewhat, but it does follow a predictable pattern.
Of course, there are variables that may delay launches and that lies mostly with fabricators like TSMC. So if TSMC has trouble suppling 5nm, 3nm wafers, that could jeopardize their roadmaps. AMD is fabless and can focus on chip design and let TSMC do the actual fabrications.
Originally you claimed the 5950X is faster than the 7700X in non-gaming applications. This is factually true, but is also like saying 1+1 = 2. Many applications take advantage of more processes/cores so naturally the 5950X is faster because very rarely do a single leap in generation exceed 10-15% gains.
The math is painfully obvious.
A simple example was provided on how "generations" are arbitrary. Meaning the difference between each generation is based on the variables already stated.
no weaseling out of this reality is gonna change your initial incorrect statement
A simple example was provided on how "generations" are arbitrary. Meaning the difference between each generation is based on the variables already stated.
no weaseling out of this reality is gonna change your initial incorrect statement
Difference is I was pointing out well yeah duh of course that's true. You're comparing a flagship CPU of a previous generation to a mid-tier CPU of a current gen. That's the equivalent of saying, "My RTX 3090 is faster than a 4060 whoaaaa.."
You have yet to point out any facts besides your own opinions, which are well opinions. You're a walking, talking breathing embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe I've made my point. I will no longer respond to your posts.
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My advise is if you dont have someone in your real life to hold your hand and babysit you, dont build one on your own.
Just buy one of the brand new PCs from the SD's front page deal.
OR
Buy one of the used HP/Dell PCs and put a RTX 4060 8GB / 4060 Ti 16GB into it and call it a day.
RTX 4060 8GB/ 4060 Ti 16GB both use very little in watts. Even an used office PC can power it up without any problem.
Once you have your PC, you can take it apart and put it back and learn a thing or two about it.
And if all fails, return the PC within the typical 15 days or 30 days for a full refund.
Even at release date Nov 5, 2020 - $799.
When I got it Apr 2022 at Microcenter - $519 before coupon.
People who watch such CPU, need more cores/threads, and not for gaming purposes.
Yes. 5950x is VERY hot and NEED liquid cooling for intensive work.
I use EVGA CLC 280mm All-In-One and even at fan/pump's full speed 5950x work at 70 Celcius degree.
You crazy to use a 280mm. The 5950x needs a 360mm
Anyway, it work, 70 Celsius degree not bad.
And I have 2 140mm fans "in" with high air pressure to cool MB an GPU backplate +120mm fan "out".
Dude, it's all depend what you need.
Ryzen 5950X main purpose NOT gaming, skip it in this case and spend money on GPU.
For WORKstation with many VM or CAD, video-editing etc - perfect.
For ALL, guys, very important:
I checked MB B550 UD AC, not so much info, but this motherboard looks not good for such powerful CPU, VRM not the best, only 5 real phases (very close to Gigabyte B550 Gaming X), I have no idea how long it'll work under full load 5950x, if it can handle at all. And definitely DO NOT OVERCLOCK!!! - risky to get fire and fried PC. Max 8 cores, I suppose. So, only if you will sell MB and can get decent TOP one with good VRM.
https://docs.google.com/spreadshe...211
Difference is I was pointing out well yeah duh of course that's true. You're comparing a flagship CPU of a previous generation to a mid-tier CPU of a current gen. That's the equivalent of saying, "My RTX 3090 is faster than a 4060 whoaaaa.."
You have yet to point out any facts besides your own opinions, which are well opinions. You're a walking, talking breathing embodiment of the Dunning-Kruger effect. I believe I've made my point. I will no longer respond to your posts.
First off, please never, ever, ever use UserBenchmark! Ever! It is biased and completely flawed. If you don't believe me, google "userbenchmark banned".
Second, the 5950X is best for productivity. It works fine for gaming also, but you can get better gaming performance for less money. For gaming, get a different CPU: One of the X3D CPUs (5800X3D is king), if you're sticking with AM4; or the Ryzen 5 7600 (similar gaming performance) and above, if you're going AM5.
Check out these CPU reviews, which include the 5950X:
Save some money and go with am5 7600 or 7600x or if you can find a deal 5600 or something on am4 though that would be a hard sell for me atm given upgradability.
It's going to be mostly about your gpu anyways unless youre some 1080p competitive gamer
This is for people who play games as well as do other stuff like convert videos, stream, video editing etc and multitasking. You can do those stuff while gaming.
I have crazy amount of stuff going on in background while I am gaming and this runs them all like a charm.
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With PBU running on this CPU it can use a lot of power (not as much as the Intel high-core K's), and those liquid coolers will keep it well cooled, and cheaper than the high end air coolers like Noctua (though I do love those too). ARGB variations can be had for a little more if you're so inclined.
All that being said, I personally would look for a different deal with a better motherboard, or a processor by itself (was $309 recently, likely to happen again as these age) and purchase a better motherboard separately with a better VRM. This is a heavy hitting CPU, especially if you're using PBO or manual overclocking, and the included MB is more entry-level.