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Dang, my neighbor just showed up with one this weekend and he had purchased at full price. The car looks really nice, as does the interior. Interior space is also great for the size of vehicle. He was pretty happy with it after the recent software updates, but I doubt that's true now.
In a vacuum, the Extreme for $38,000 is a really good deal just based on the features and capability (360 miles, dual-motor, solar roof, premium audio). If I had FU money, I'd totally buy one to mess around with, it's certainly a more interesting vehicle than a Model Y.
I'm assuming they don't have their own financing arm, so if the company goes under you'd still have to pay off the loan to the bank and keep the car?
Quite laughable really. I was talking to a friend who owns Model Y and asking him how many miles per kwh does the Model Y give. Tesla does not show this on he panel directly and instead give a bunch of BS like money saved, etc. Nissan Leaf gives me about 5 miles per kwh in spring and fall and about 4.3 miles per kwh in summer and winter.
We had to calculate the "mileage rate" of Tesla using total miles driven and power consumed, and it came to about 2.8 miles per kwh. So you "Tesla is the most efficient" claim is untrue. Remove your Tesla blinders and look outside; the world is a nice, bright place.
For that efficiency you must drive like a grandma lol
For that efficiency you must drive like a grandma lol
Not at all. I only use my EV in the city and I drive about 1500 miles a month. Nissan Leaf has mode controls to quickly change the regenerative strength/percentage for self-braking. I use that a lot when approaching stop-lights or on slopes. I use neutral gear on long slopes, zero regenerative and max efficiency.
Either ways, the point I was trying to make was Tesla is not even close to most efficient- its just an halo that they have projected that their software is very advanced and can do XYZ things when the competition is much better. Even I was guilty of believing that but with my Leaf it is clear that they are not.
For that efficiency you must drive like a grandma lol
i4 M50 gets about 3.1 mi/KW in winter and about 3.6 mi/KW all other times. I know there is a lot of craziness in this thread but my i4 drives so much better than any ICE car i've ever been in was my main deciding factor because of the type of driving/commute i need it for. EV is not yet for every situation for sure.
"Junk" will be the word/worth for the used Tesla EVs soon as they'll need $20-30k batteries. The replacement batteries need to drop to under $10k before there would even be a robust used EV market in years to come... Or a hefty warranty on the existing battery.
We're probably 5-10 years out from that. Most people do not need battery replacements at this point, and those that do are getting them under warranty. Battery prices will come down.
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And who pays for those rebates? All of us taxpayers.
For sure - but at least this way some of us may have a benefit - otherwise our tax dollars are paying for someone else's benefit. like supporting foreign wars and bailing out companies etc.
We're probably 5-10 years out from that. Most people do not need battery replacements at this point, and those that do are getting them under warranty. Battery prices will come down.
I wouldnt buy an EV until individual battery modules(A Tesla 3 has 16 modules) are standardized an replaceable(by a mechanic). Its pretty lame that if 1 out of 4000 cells go bad, you need an entire refurbished battery unit.
Also, its crazy that Hyundai charges more for the battery, than they do the car which includes the battery.
Quite laughable really. I was talking to a friend who owns Model Y and asking him how many miles per kwh does the Model Y give. Tesla does not show this on he panel directly and instead give a bunch of BS like money saved, etc.
miles per kwh is on the EPA site for all vehicles.
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Nissan Leaf gives me about 5 miles per kwh in spring and fall and about 4.3 miles per kwh in summer and winter.
That is much higher than actual EPA testing managed- so yeah those #s are impossible unless you are doing the math wrong or hypermiling everywhere at 30 mph or something.
The Y is rated at 28 kWh/100 mi.... so 3.57 miles per kwh... a little better than the Nissan.
EDIT- To be fair- you don't say which version of the Y your friend has... if it's a Performance model then the efficiency is merely the same as the Leaf (30 kwh per 100 mi, or 3.33 miles per kwh)... only the LR AWD and regular AWD models of the Y hit the 3.57 miles per kwh EPA test result)
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Not at all. I only use my EV in the city and I drive about 1500 miles a month. Nissan Leaf has mode controls to quickly change the regenerative strength/percentage for self-braking. I use that a lot when approaching stop-lights or on slopes. I use neutral gear on long slopes, zero regenerative and max efficiency.
Either ways, the point I was trying to make was Tesla is not even close to most efficient- its just an halo that they have projected that their software is very advanced and can do XYZ things when the competition is much better. Even I was guilty of believing that but with my Leaf it is clear that they are not.
I drove other Ev as well. Did not drive leaf. None were good at efficiency as my Tesla Y. Perhaps leaf is better, but not the rest.
miles per kwh is on the EPA site for all vehicles.
That is much higher than actual EPA testing managed- so yeah those #s are impossible unless you are doing the math wrong or hypermiling everywhere at 30 mph or something.
The Y is rated at 28 kWh/100 mi.... so 3.57 miles per kwh... a little better than the Nissan.
EDIT- To be fair- you don't say which version of the Y your friend has... if it's a Performance model then the efficiency is merely the same as the Leaf (30 kwh per 100 mi, or 3.33 miles per kwh)... only the LR AWD and regular AWD models of the Y hit the 3.57 miles per kwh EPA test result)
People just want to hate on Tesla. I can understand hating musk, but the tech is great.
We're probably 5-10 years out from that. Most people do not need battery replacements at this point, and those that do are getting them under warranty. Battery prices will come down.
How long do you all keep your cars?
Checking the data in this study... I could live with 85% of full capacity at 200K miles but I generally keep cars to about 100K miles. Perhaps drop in resale value is the worry?
Our Mustang Mach-E has a ~10% battery holdback (capacity not available until degradation).
Ford covers the battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, retaining a minimum of 70% of its original capacity. After 8+ years, if we still have the Mustang, it'll probably be demoted to local duty or passed down to the kids.
How long do you all keep your cars?
Checking the data in this study... I could live with 85% of full capacity at 200K miles but I generally keep cars to about 100K miles. Perhaps drop in resale value is the worry?
Our Mustang Mach-E has a ~10% battery holdback (capacity not available until degradation).
Ford covers the battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, retaining a minimum of 70% of its original capacity. After 8+ years, if we still have the Mustang, it'll probably be demoted to local duty or passed down to the kids.
Many people don't realize this but it's the fed/state government that requires EV manufacturers have warranties on batteries of at least 8 years/100k miles. It's not like the manufacturers are being generous.
The federal government requires manufacturers to offer an eight-year/100,000-mile warranty on all EV batteries. California does one better, mandating a warranty of 10 years or 150,000 miles. Some companies will cover a battery only if it completely stops working, while others will replace the battery if it falls below a certain capacity, usually 70% of the original, while still under warranty.
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In a vacuum, the Extreme for $38,000 is a really good deal just based on the features and capability (360 miles, dual-motor, solar roof, premium audio). If I had FU money, I'd totally buy one to mess around with, it's certainly a more interesting vehicle than a Model Y.
I'm assuming they don't have their own financing arm, so if the company goes under you'd still have to pay off the loan to the bank and keep the car?
We had to calculate the "mileage rate" of Tesla using total miles driven and power consumed, and it came to about 2.8 miles per kwh. So you "Tesla is the most efficient" claim is untrue. Remove your Tesla blinders and look outside; the world is a nice, bright place.
Either ways, the point I was trying to make was Tesla is not even close to most efficient- its just an halo that they have projected that their software is very advanced and can do XYZ things when the competition is much better. Even I was guilty of believing that but with my Leaf it is clear that they are not.
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Also, its crazy that Hyundai charges more for the battery, than they do the car which includes the battery.
https://www.fueleconomy
You can see the direct comparison to a Model Y based on EPA testing here:
https://www.fueleconomy
The Y is rated at 28 kWh/100 mi.... so 3.57 miles per kwh... a little better than the Nissan.
EDIT- To be fair- you don't say which version of the Y your friend has... if it's a Performance model then the efficiency is merely the same as the Leaf (30 kwh per 100 mi, or 3.33 miles per kwh)... only the LR AWD and regular AWD models of the Y hit the 3.57 miles per kwh EPA test result)
Either ways, the point I was trying to make was Tesla is not even close to most efficient- its just an halo that they have projected that their software is very advanced and can do XYZ things when the competition is much better. Even I was guilty of believing that but with my Leaf it is clear that they are not.
That is much higher than actual EPA testing managed- so yeah those #s are impossible unless you are doing the math wrong or hypermiling everywhere at 30 mph or something.
https://www.fueleconomy
Which is 3.33 miles per kwh
You can see the direct comparison to a Model Y based on EPA testing here:
https://www.fueleconomy
The Y is rated at 28 kWh/100 mi.... so 3.57 miles per kwh... a little better than the Nissan.
EDIT- To be fair- you don't say which version of the Y your friend has... if it's a Performance model then the efficiency is merely the same as the Leaf (30 kwh per 100 mi, or 3.33 miles per kwh)... only the LR AWD and regular AWD models of the Y hit the 3.57 miles per kwh EPA test result)
Checking the data in this study... I could live with 85% of full capacity at 200K miles but I generally keep cars to about 100K miles. Perhaps drop in resale value is the worry?
Our Mustang Mach-E has a ~10% battery holdback (capacity not available until degradation).
Ford covers the battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, retaining a minimum of 70% of its original capacity. After 8+ years, if we still have the Mustang, it'll probably be demoted to local duty or passed down to the kids.
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Checking the data in this study... I could live with 85% of full capacity at 200K miles but I generally keep cars to about 100K miles. Perhaps drop in resale value is the worry?
Our Mustang Mach-E has a ~10% battery holdback (capacity not available until degradation).
Ford covers the battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, retaining a minimum of 70% of its original capacity. After 8+ years, if we still have the Mustang, it'll probably be demoted to local duty or passed down to the kids.
https://www.nimblefins.
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The federal government requires manufacturers to offer an eight-year/100,000-mile warranty on all EV batteries. California does one better, mandating a warranty of 10 years or 150,000 miles. Some companies will cover a battery only if it completely stops working, while others will replace the battery if it falls below a certain capacity, usually 70% of the original, while still under warranty.
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